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"This game has double the camping that MW1 did."

A lot of that has to do with the fact that the game just came out, and very few people know their way around many of the maps at this point. Some of them are camping in one spot largely because they aren't really sure where they should be going...

Not that that justifies excessive camping, but it at least means that sort of behavior should subside more after a few weeks.

[Edited on November 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM. Reason : .]

11/14/2009 6:08:59 AM

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"Believe it or not, some people are just better at the game. Just because they have a high kill death doesnt mean they are campers. What does that really even mean? Are you telling me that you never sit and hide in an alley way to steal a kill or two before you move to the next area?"

That post just summed up the faggotry hidden in your constant bragging about winstreaks. When everyone just sits around waiting for kills, no one wants to move around the board and actually fight for their wins. The game in turn gets slow as molasses and becomes boring. To top it all off, you sit around hidden in alleys for easy kills and you still don't have over a 2:1 K ratio? shit son, any mental midget with some good hiding spots and the right perks can do that. juggernaut and steady aim are a good counter to a ninja with silenced weapons.

At least you're doing this shit in FFA, where everyone had come to expect it from COD4. What's worse are the people that are doing this in objective based games. I tried playing CTF and headquarters last night, and I came to the conclusion that over half the people are in those games for easy kills. There was never more than one-two people on any team trying to get headquarters at any time, even on close combat boards like Favela where you need to guard the alleyways to hold the base. The majority of players were just sitting on the outskirts of towns in rooftops trying to snipe people off. It's kind of stupid when you think about it, becauce you get a hell of a lot more points for capturing headquarters and then making some easy kills holding down the building. Your K ratio just doesn't look as good at the end of it because you usually can't hold off more than about 2-3 people before you get overcome. I was consistently finishing the game with the most points and leveling up a lot faster because of it.

11/14/2009 11:21:40 AM

^ You're correct in your assessment of objective based games but incorrect with deathmatch based games. If you want to win a deathmatch game you cant run around like crazy and expect to win...the point is to get the most kills while dying the least so that the team can win. So you have to take your time on maps...checking every corner...waiting a few seconds to see if someone runs through an alley or across your field of vision..then keep going.

Obviously you cant do that in objective games because the point is to get to an objective as fast as possible, capture it, then defend it.

So what Im saying is people who play TD, FFA, or MTD most likely have a higher K/D because the style of play is different, and having a high K/D means your team will usually win.

Two totally different styles of games require two different styles of play. The notion of camping is staying in one spot, not moving, and wait for people to come by and shouldnt belong in either style of game.

[Edited on November 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM. Reason : a]

11/14/2009 12:09:09 PM

seedless, I am not a big fan of 1 on 1. Whats end up happening is that i run around to make things happen, the other person is hiding, and I die. I would rather you add me as a friend, or I invite you into a FFA match.

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"That post just summed up the faggotry hidden in your constant bragging about winstreaks. When everyone just sits around waiting for kills, no one wants to move around the board and actually fight for their wins. The game in turn gets slow as molasses and becomes boring. To top it all off, you sit around hidden in alleys for easy kills and you still don't have over a 2:1 K ratio? shit son, any mental midget with some good hiding spots and the right perks can do that. juggernaut and steady aim are a good counter to a ninja with silenced weapons. "

Like I said, excuses for your sucktitude.

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"shit son, any mental midget with some good hiding spots "

Thats odd, I dont see anybody else accomplishing that... You obviously only play the good players

[Edited on November 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2009 12:21:34 PM

its called strategy. I'll move slow and check every corner in rooms and alleys but in wide open fields i'll spring like mad from cover to cover and scope out the area. Some people might call it camping I call it not giving away free kills to the other team.

If i'm playing a really dumb team that charges up the same alley every time then hell yes i'll take full advantage and just sit there and take them out one by one...but only if they're that dumb which surprisingly i've run into a lot.

11/14/2009 1:34:35 PM

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"Thats odd, I dont see anybody else accomplishing that... You obviously only play the good players"

You're the one that's self admittingly doing that half a page ago. Don't play stupid now.

I can play like you and go 7:2, or I can go pillaging the buildings and go 14:14. One of them makes me look like a better player and is boring as shit, and the other style makes me look mediocre yet I find incredibly entertaining because I actively engage in three times as many firefights each round. After all, I bought the game to serve as a source of entertainment.

^it's one thing to check corners and alleyways. It's a completely different thing to sit in them until someone comes through. I also agree with you about there being a lot of dumb people on this game as far as approaching strategies. I've had a few teammates that would follow me down an hallway and see me actively checking the rooms on one side of the building, and they'd all of a sudden decide to stop checking their side and run over to my side. It never fails that one of us will get tagged with a semtex grenade by a guy hiding in a room on the other side. it might just be that people aren't familiar with the maps and forgetting the other rooms, but we'll see.

11/14/2009 4:23:00 PM

the thread is turning retarded

i got on multiplayer the first time last night and started a team death match game 1:5 but then i think i finished 3:6...i had a couple even rounds then i had some decent 10:3 rounds...then the bell curve mustve continued cause is started sucking again...need to learn the maps and get some nicer weapon setups

11/14/2009 4:54:36 PM

i'll admit.. in the objective based games, i really don't try to capture the flag or anything. if i get close to it, then great...but i mainly just try to shoot people

11/14/2009 5:04:44 PM

^ why are you even playing an objective game? easier for you to get kills because everyone else is actually focused on the gametype?

11/14/2009 6:32:48 PM

that's why they all do it

11/14/2009 7:55:36 PM

New Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer playlists



Playlist Descriptions:

Mosh Pit

Mixed bag of many game modes in one playlist.

Players: 8-12

—

3rd Person Team Tactical

Third person perspective with Team Deathmatch, Domination, Capture the Flag, and Demolition.

Players: 6-8

—

Team Deathmatch Express

Team Deathmatch with shorter time between matches. Jump in with your TDM class prepared.

Players: 8-12

11/14/2009 8:01:44 PM

i always choose deathmatch unless i'm playing with a friend in his "party" and he chooses the game style. then i just go for the kills mainly

11/14/2009 9:05:59 PM

i typically play groundwar because its easiest to kill dumb people and all the TDM gets monotonous sometimes

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

11/14/2009 10:24:30 PM

I like groundwar because there's more people on the boards and I enjoy CTF, but I'm going to try out the TDM express tonight to see how I like it.

11/14/2009 11:08:56 PM

CTF blows unless you have a party.

because you will definitely be playing against a party and good luck trying to organize some mofos

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11/14/2009 11:10:09 PM

get a headset and take command of your teammates.

11/14/2009 11:12:57 PM

^^ This is the truest statement in the whole thread. It's so annoying to me how everyone seems to either try to go on offense, or they just forget the point of CTF altogether and run around trying to get kills. More often than not I wind up being the only one trying to play defense, and it does not end well when my teammates offer no support whatsoever.

11/15/2009 1:56:58 AM

^^ haha yeah right.

average IQ on this game has to be below 70

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11/15/2009 2:05:37 AM

wouldn't you know it, MW2 comes out and like 3 days later, my xbox dies
guess i'll be callin M$ for a new one. this will be the third time sending it in for another one

oh and the game was fuckin awesome for the few hours I did get to play

11/15/2009 3:51:37 AM

I think the camping has a lot to do with the nature of the maps. There are just too many windows and rooftops and sides to get shot from, when you combine that with a garbage spawn system in desperate need of a patch, nobody wants to start moving because you will get shot in the back.
The only maps I actually like so far are Afghan and Airport.

Another thing is the damage the weapons do, and the abscence of juggernaut. You cant get shot and react anymore. Honestly regualr TDM feels like hardcore. If you get shot, you are dead. The bullets do way more damage, and if you actually survive, you are fucking blinded because for some reason wherever you get hit by a bullet, the wound somehow sprays blood into your eyes everytime.

So its who sees who first, even more so than the original COD games. Combine that with:

-New game, people dont know where to anticipate enemy players
-Maps are extremeley camper friendly
-Stopping power no longer essential, leads to more Cold Blooded
-Bling makes it easier to use silenced weapons... you can silence pretty much any weapon now
-Recons can be jammed and shot down
-High killstreak rewards give more motivation to not die
-Frag Grenades less available and usefull

[Edited on November 15, 2009 at 4:31 AM. Reason : k]

11/15/2009 4:29:04 AM

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"Another thing is the damage the weapons do, and the abscence of juggernaut. You cant get shot and react anymore. Honestly regualr TDM feels like hardcore. If you get shot, you are dead. The bullets do way more damage, and if you actually survive, you are fucking blinded because for some reason wherever you get hit by a bullet, the wound somehow sprays blood into your eyes everytime."

I disagree...I got annoyed with the non-hardcore game types because it litterally takes almost a whole clip of ammo from an M4 to kill someone so you end up with no ammo to kill two people without a reload. And I don't mean spraying...I mean full contact with 90% of shots fired.

I'm also dissapointed in the lack of hardcore game types.

11/15/2009 4:59:59 AM

Yeah without Stopping Power the M4 can be pretty worthless at medium to long range, you really have to go for the head for much chance at stopping people. I, too, have damn near emptied an entire clip all scoring body hits and not killed they guy.

11/15/2009 11:17:06 AM

^^^ I pretty much agree with that entire post.

I've recently noticed, that i cannot get away from being shot about 99% of the time.. Even when i duck behind a wall a "delayed bullet" kills me anyway, even though i was well out of sight (behind several walls).

And i totally agree that there is many more camping spots than previous games. It seems that most of my deaths come from someone shooting out some window/alcove/hiding spot that i didn't even know about.

I'm going to write all this off to just needing to learn the layout of the maps better. I'm not even gonna attempt to touch hardcore mode till i have every map committed to memory. The game has only been out a week and I figure there will be plenty of time for things to smooth over. It's obvious some of the better players did their homework and memorized maps before release, therefore they have a leg up on other players from the get go.

11/15/2009 11:22:18 AM

I like Mosh Pit... I hate just playing the same mode over and over... It's fun to switch it up every game...

11/15/2009 11:22:48 AM

Im finally starting to play at 1:1 more regularly ... im at level 15 now.

Just bought a PS3, so Im new to the controller and to the game, so i figure this is not terrible progress.

Is there a clan tag that anyone on tww is using? I put "[tww]" in front of my name, just in case some of you fools are playing on there. Figured we could team up at some point.

11/15/2009 12:44:56 PM

JCE2011's post pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Those reasons are why I am not jerking off to this game like most of you are.

I'd be willing to bet that 75% of my deaths are being shot in the back usually by a douche with cold-blooded.

11/15/2009 12:58:08 PM

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"I disagree...I got annoyed with the non-hardcore game types because it litterally takes almost a whole clip of ammo from an M4 to kill someone so you end up with no ammo to kill two people without a reload. And I don't mean spraying...I mean full contact with 90% of shots fired. "

There is no ranked playlist on MW2 where it takes a full clip of an M4 to kill someone. Either your aim sucks, or you're lagging. It takes 3-5 shots per kill in the upper body. 2-3 in Hardcore.

11/15/2009 1:41:29 PM

Aim is crucial. shooting at lower body/legs, you'll find yourself emptying the clip very often. Need to adjust it up slightly, because thats where all the guys who "kill you with 1 bullet" aim.

11/15/2009 1:42:47 PM

So if you have FMJ on a weapon, would you say it's a wasted perk to continue to use Stopping Power? I'm still on the fence about this even though my main gun is the SCAR-H.

11/15/2009 3:47:16 PM

^^nothing is wrong with my aim..I'm shooting at their upper torso/heads. Hardcore is much more fun especially with the m16 because i can take out several guys quickly with one burst each. I just wish they had more hardcore game types.

11/15/2009 4:04:39 PM

This game is terribly, terribly unbalanced. I like it for the stupid fun insanity that happens, but if I ever want some challenging competitive play I'll go back to Halo 3.

Case in Point:
TACTICAL INSERTION
I can't tell you how many times I've used tactical insertion to get a cheap kill. As long as you stay close to your flare if anyone kills you then you already know where you're going to respawn and can just shoot them back. It gives a whole new meeting to the term spawn-camping.

Cold Blooded is also the best perk in the game BY FAR. I can pretty much ignore 90% of the enemy's killstreak rewards now because the computer won't shoot me and human gunners don't see a red box over me.

Maybe the game will get more balanced once everyone knows how awesome these two items are, but even then it will just make certain aspects of multiplayer annoying.

11/15/2009 4:26:47 PM

For the record, Bad Company has the best spawn system.

11/15/2009 4:52:06 PM

^It helps that the maps are the size of Alaska.

11/15/2009 5:11:13 PM

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"I'm shooting at their upper torso/heads."

If it takes a full clip for a kill, then you're obviously not hitting their upper torso or head.

11/15/2009 5:12:05 PM

I can usually kill at least two people with a full M4 clip using the hardline perk. Shooting in bursts helps to conserve ammo and make it more accurate.

11/15/2009 5:23:22 PM

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"If it takes a full clip for a kill, then you're obviously not hitting their upper torso or head."

well actually I am...and I shouldn't have to stack perks like stopping power and FMJ just to get a kill...

11/15/2009 5:28:18 PM

nm

[Edited on November 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM. Reason : add]

11/15/2009 5:32:20 PM

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"^^nothing is wrong with my aim..I'm shooting at their upper torso/heads. Hardcore is much more fun especially with the m16 because i can take out several guys quickly with one burst each. I just wish they had more hardcore game types."

The M16 should be a 3 hit (1 burst) kill in regular also. I know it is with stopping power, and if I am not mistaken it is also a 3 bullet kill without SP, from my experience (though range can be a factor)

What you are describing sounds like lag to me, I tend to get the same thing the majority of games I play, I have found that there is typically a delay between the shots hitting from your/our view and when they actually start to register, typically resulting in people pissing bullets into targets because it takes so long for the game to tell them that they enemy has been hit and is dead.

It sucks on the other end also, when getting shot. When playing MW2 I will die instantly from what seems like 1 bullet, but in the killcam it is clear the enemy player spent a couple seconds shooting me. The problem seems to be that by the time the info reaches you that you are getting shot, you are already dead on the shooter's screen, or by the time the info reaches you that you killed an enemy, you have already wasted a clip.

11/15/2009 6:08:45 PM

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"For the record, Bad Company has the best spawn system."

While I'm enjoying Modern Warfare 2 game, I find that I am looking even more forward to Bad Company 2 because of it. I like the slightly slower pace and the massive maps a great deal more. I'm not sure whether the killcam is going to completely ruin the game, but we'll see.

So far my single biggest gripe about MW2 is my super annoyance with laying down. When I want to go prone, I want to HIT THE FUCKING DIRT and not hesitate about it. I have been killed several times today in which I was attempting to lay down, but my dumbass soldier wouldn't comply. Very frustrating. Also, I am surprised that the same button to pick up a dropped weapon is the same button to disarm the bomb in Sabotage mode. I would have thought that that would have been changed from the last game. Ah well, I'm still having a great time even though I'm only close to breaking even. The airport map is so much fun.

11/15/2009 6:55:43 PM

^^that might be it...its very frustrating.

my new favorite weapon-> throwing knives!

11/15/2009 7:30:38 PM

Lets get a TWW Team Deathmatch team together tonight. I will be on around 10.

XLive: DaBEANnHCL

My mike isnt working though but it would be fun. Put TWW for our clan tag too

11/15/2009 7:36:28 PM

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"that might be it...its very frustrating."

Yep. It is especially noticeable on those slow motion kill cams at the end of the game.

11/15/2009 7:42:04 PM

i havent played much multiplayer yet so i dont know the answer to this question. i remember early on there was a lot of talk about vehicles being in the game. i know you interact with some in single player, but do you ever do anything with vehicles in multiplayer?

11/15/2009 9:26:53 PM

not so far. i guess it could be a possibility when infinity ward create new maps though.

11/15/2009 9:30:38 PM

^They've basically announced that they would never put non-killstreak vehicles in any multiplayer map.

Right now a lot of the killstreak rewards are considered "vehicles", but that's it.

11/15/2009 11:36:32 PM

fuck i hate unlocking attachments lol

I'm AstralAdvent and i think its time for a smiley change

11/15/2009 11:58:09 PM

I had some lag issues on CoD4. I was using wireless and noticed all the time that I would pop around a corner and run into some guy then unload half a mag into him before I died. Killcam would show me not even getting a round off.

11/16/2009 12:06:05 AM

How many claymores can be placed at a time? For example, if I plant 2, go use Scavenger to resupply, and plant 2 more, do the first 2 just explode? For as much as I love using claymores, I don't know that I will want to anymore if I have to give up Tactical Insertion. I hardly ever see anybody use claymores in Sabotage games, which I just don't understand.

11/16/2009 8:12:16 AM

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"Frag Grenades less available and usefull"

How did they make frag grenades less avaliable when you only get one to begin with in CoD4.

I haven't not played MW2 yet but I am disappointed if they seriously weakened frag grenades.
This was one area i enjoyed with MW. To be realistic a grenade is supposed to kill you if your
are within the kill radius. This was one of my huge gripes with Halo 3 where grenades are simply to
slightly weaken your opponent (like an appetizer for a dinner of bullets), and u pretty much have to land a
grenade right on an oppenent to get a kill.

11/16/2009 9:16:35 AM

i too, find the grenades much less enjoyable in this game. Also, you can't throw them near as far as you could in COD4. I do find myself using flash and stun grenades much more often in this game though.

11/16/2009 9:25:59 AM