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"So much for not meeting them in real life. Maybe you hang out with poor people?"

Bingo, this is why I don't like him. Very little of his intended policies will benefit the poor, and I'm tired of this evergrowing public opinion that prefers bailing out the wealthy versues helping out the poor.

1/3/2012 7:39:41 PM

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"I'm tired of this evergrowing public opinion that prefers bailing out the wealthy versues helping out the poor."

That's the policy of both parties and President Obama. They all supported the bailouts. Ron Paul opposed them.

1/3/2012 7:48:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xwyqe9tf5Mc

1/3/2012 8:02:11 PM

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"That's the policy of both parties and President Obama. They all supported the bailouts. Ron Paul opposed them."

Not talking about the "bailouts" of a couple year's back. What most upsets me with current politics is the general trend of "let's cut programs that help the poor rather than tax the wealthy to solve our problems", and a lot of what I'm hearing from Ron Paul are ideas that are eventually going to lead to "program cuts" for the lower class. This upsets me. Obama is trying to work for the lower class in that regard.

You are obviously some type of conservative, and I am obviously some type of socialist, so we are going to differ, but it would be much better for america to have a bipartisn plan of cutting and taxing as opposed to just cutting.

So far I can say that I agree with a lot of Paul's foreign diplomacy, but I think that a lot of that and other similar ideas are also found in the Obama court.

1/3/2012 8:02:49 PM

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ia

1/3/2012 8:32:30 PM

omfg we got this!

1/3/2012 8:46:19 PM

I cannot understand how anyone can support Santorum.

1/3/2012 8:50:52 PM

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"If Santorum gets nominated, I think I'll give up the fight. This country won't be salvageable."

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"I will without a doubt change my voter registration if that happens. He is the most giant of douchebags. He might be even worse than Bachmann or maybe even Palin. "

1/3/2012 8:57:58 PM

Just wanted to agree with everyone who says Rick Santorum is a sack of shit.

1/3/2012 9:26:10 PM

How close must it be to be considered a tie and what happens with the delegates in the result of a tie?

1/3/2012 9:28:44 PM

So

Santorum=Paul=Romney

nice...

1/3/2012 9:35:31 PM

I believe the GOP changed the rules it is no longer winner take all...so it looks like 1/3 for each and on to the next state...so we are going to go through this for awhile now....like Obama and Clinton.

[Edited on January 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM. Reason : w]

1/3/2012 9:52:17 PM

and this is a good thing

I mean democracy

1/3/2012 9:55:20 PM

Actually not 1/3rd because the others will divide the 24% or 25% remaining among themselves.

1/3/2012 10:00:06 PM

It's now 24-24-22 Santorum-Romney-Paul.

1/3/2012 10:05:02 PM

People lied and said they would vote for Paul and didn't.

1/3/2012 10:06:19 PM

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/ia

Here's a full break down of some polls.

It's pretty obvious it's the religious conservatives keeping Santorum afloat. Good thing though that religion isn't really harmful...

And it looks like almost half of the people who voted for Romney like him mostly because they think he can beat Obama, not because of any of his principles. He also has the oldest mix of voters, and the highest mix of voters who DON'T like the Tea Party (which I find odd).

The other interesting thing is that a plurality of Paul supporters have known they were going to vote for him for a while.

If i had to make a prediction, based on this, Romney is going to get the nom. `

[Edited on January 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ]

1/3/2012 10:11:47 PM

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"And it looks like almost half of the people who voted for Romney like him mostly because they think he can beat Obama, not because of any of his principles."

The irony of this is that of all the major candidates, Romney's principles are most similar to Obama's.

1/3/2012 10:15:28 PM

That was the odd thing to me too...

Between Romney having such a high % of anti-tea-party supporters, and the main reason people vote for him is because they want to see him beat Obama (vs. deficit and economic issues), it seems clear that his supporters are very much in favor of the status-quo. Considering he has a higher rich-people mix of supporters, this sort-of makes sense because to them, things aren't so bad.

I just don't see Romney resonating that well with the growingly beleaguered middle class, against Obama, who was middle-class until a few years ago.

1/3/2012 10:22:08 PM

Romney can't beat Obama. Santorum really can't beat Obama.

There's only one candidate that can pull the Independent/Democrat votes necessary to win: Ron Paul. Problem is, the GOP establishment would rather have Obama in office.

1/3/2012 11:00:24 PM

I've heard that a few neocons would actively support Obama over Paul, because at least Obama wouldn't pull all the troops out right away and would maintain indefinite detention of "enemy combatants" and military-style targeting of American citizens.

1/3/2012 11:07:35 PM

I honestly don't understand what is happening with the world.

The candidates are getting consistently worse and more alike.

Watching Gingrich and santorum come out of nowhere means these things are definitely rigged.

1/3/2012 11:10:18 PM

No shit, Sherlock. Paul has lost. Iowa was his only hope. Stop voting. Buy guns.

1/3/2012 11:14:29 PM

The Paul campaign needs to rally around this loss.

We need to win the war. The election can still be won.

Third party time

1/3/2012 11:19:14 PM

You still don't get it. Give up. Go do something useful with your life.

1/3/2012 11:25:51 PM

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"I honestly don't understand what is happening with the world."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

we all need to embrace the instincts of the Tea Party and the Occupy Movements. our representatives don't represent the public interest. if the public is going to have their will carried out, it will have to be by (hopefully non-violent) force.

1/3/2012 11:29:26 PM

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"HOPEFULLY NON VIOLENT"

1/3/2012 11:31:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxebb2SXOR4&feature=youtu.be

a soldier speaking in support of Ron Paul on CNN is interrupted by a sudden "technical glitch" right as he begins to comment on Iran/Israel. nothing to see here, folks. go back to bed, America. you're free to do what we tell you.

1/3/2012 11:51:41 PM

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"No shit, Sherlock. Paul has lost. Iowa was his only hope. Stop voting. Buy guns."

:wat"

A socially conservative candidate almost always wins in Iowa (I think the only close exception in my memory was Bob Dole); if Paul keeps strong showings in New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, Nevada, Maine, Colorado, and New Hampshire while Santorum and Romney bob up and down, Paul should still get enough delegates to remain viable into Super Tuesday, where all of the races will still be proportional (all of the races up to April will be, as will many of the races after March).

Now on the other hand if Paul had explicitly targeted the fundies, he'd do best to pack up and go home now (this means it's the end of the line for Perry and Bachmann and probably Gingrich).

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM. Reason : sorry, SC and FL use plurality rather than proportionality

1/3/2012 11:57:48 PM

The problem is that you don't get delegates for strong showings. You have to actually win and this seemed like his best early chance of a win and he didn't get it. I'm a Paul supporter but its going to take a surge or a Romney collapse at this point.

1/4/2012 12:06:03 AM

You do get delegates for a strong showing this time around: Unlike 2008 most of the primaries and caucuses award delegates in rough proportion to the vote totals

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 12:27 AM. Reason : and this includes Iowa and New Hampshire

1/4/2012 12:27:19 AM

Maybe President Santorum will pick Paul as his VP.

1/4/2012 12:28:46 AM

nah, Santorum would prefer a momma grizzly bear as his VP.

1/4/2012 12:30:48 AM

^^What kind of scandal are you predicting will befall Obama? If Santorum manages to win the primaries, Obama is expected to win easily in the general.

1/4/2012 1:05:13 AM

you mean this rick santorum: http://spreadingsantorum.com/

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 1:11 AM. Reason : ]

1/4/2012 1:11:09 AM

Google will remove that site soon now that Santorum is the chosen one.

1/4/2012 1:25:35 AM

America has decided collapse is better than decline.

Fuck all of you, save yourselves.

1/4/2012 2:31:35 AM

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"It's pretty obvious it's the religious conservatives keeping Santorum afloat. Good thing though that religion isn't really harmful..."

there aren't enough for this statement. take your militant atheism elsewhere

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"And it looks like almost half of the people who voted for Romney like him mostly because they think he can beat Obama, not because of any of his principles."

this absolutely bothers me. I hated this crap in 2004, and the 'pubs would do well to think about that now in 2012. You have to run a candidate, not just run "against the other guy".

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"The problem is that you don't get delegates for strong showings."

how many times has it been stated otherwise in the past two pages alone, troll-holio? reading is fundamental

1/4/2012 9:36:57 AM

^ I don't think militant means what you think it means.

1/4/2012 11:14:01 AM

Santorum has no strategy beyond Iowa. Like Huckabee, his fame will be short-lived. I'm certain of it. This is a two-way race between Romney and Paul, with Paul poised to get second in New Hampshire.

Ron Paul will not be allowed to enter the White House, though. There's too much at stake.

1/4/2012 11:42:13 AM

I predict he'll be assassinated by the military (a la Alexander Litvinenko) if he becomes successful.

1/4/2012 11:48:35 AM

^
i think you mean "die in unknown circumstances"

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2012 11:50:28 AM

i think the coincidence would be too much to bear.

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 12:05 PM. Reason : aaronburros a vagina]

1/4/2012 12:03:29 PM

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"THINK TO COINCIDENCE"

1/4/2012 12:04:17 PM

Ron Paul wins 48% of the 17-29 year old vote, 11% of the baby boomer vote.

Make no mistake: this is a battle between generations. The baby boomer generation has lived the high life by creating debt and overspending. They plan to continue amassing debt until they die, at which point they will dump all of it on us. As soon as these assholes die off, we might be able to have a free(r) society.

1/4/2012 12:13:08 PM

god damn old people.

1/4/2012 12:18:27 PM

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ia?hpt=hp_t2

Delegates won in Iowa:

Romney: 7
Santorum: 7
Paul: 7
Gingrich: 2
Perry: 2

1/4/2012 12:20:59 PM

unfortunately the media now has an excuse to discard paul from the race-

1/4/2012 12:28:42 PM

Polling 2nd in NH.

1/4/2012 1:01:33 PM

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"Make no mistake: this is a battle between generations."

I agree with that statement--the conflict over America's direction is largely generational in my view. But its not entirely greed, I honestly think the old folk are just overwhelmingly ignorant of the entire corporate infrastructure that has been steering the boat. Its an educational gap, a polarization of awareness of our current situation brought on by one generation's blind faith in the integrity of the corporate media paired with their unwillingness to adapt and let go of old ways, in contrast to the younger generation's learned skepticism, their ability to adapt, and their embracing of the free flow of information via the internet.

As long as that informational gap is in place we will be unable to fully unite as 99ers.

Back on topic: Ron Paul will survive longer than Santorum but will lose out head to head with Romney. Obama wins regardless.

[Edited on January 4, 2012 at 1:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2012 1:10:17 PM