22 win season

10/20/2011 8:48:24 PM

Im already nauseous just thinking about the announcers gushing about his fresh start / name change

10/20/2011 11:16:27 PM

Now if he can convince everyone to start calling wins losses.

10/21/2011 3:16:38 AM

you mean start calling losses wins?

10/21/2011 5:16:10 AM

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/21/the-importance-of-qualifications-gottfried-and-his-staff/

Breakdown of Mark Gottfried and his staff. If credibility is measured by results, these guys appear several time more credible than the last coaching staff.

10/21/2011 12:18:06 PM

I don't really buy the successful players don't tend to make good coaches angle, but can't deny the prior results as coaches comparisons

10/21/2011 12:28:04 PM

You're absolutely correct that it's not an axiom... always correct. I guess I just don't think that success as a player can be used as a credential for if someone is going to be a good coach. I don't think anyone would argue with that. Still, it's something that's brought up time and time again by various people trying to make points. Honestly, Amato is a good example of a SUCCESS. Yes, I said that correctly... a success. He was a great defensive player. Turns out he is a great DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Obviously Sidney Lowe was a great "coach on the court", but turned out to be a bad "head coach on the sidelines of the court".

10/21/2011 1:36:42 PM

I don't know about that. Gott's last defense gave up a lot of touchdowns and was constantly burned on streak routes.

10/21/2011 1:39:04 PM

Has Chuck Amato ever been a defensive coordinator? Maybe you meant defensive assistant coach?

10/21/2011 2:02:35 PM

^^You mean Amato, right? If you're referring to the FSU defense he had when he left Raleigh, I'm not sure how much you can pin on him and how much of it is his predecessor since he had been on a figurative hiatus.

If you're talking about Amato's last NC State defense, it's hard to tell what was the fault of the defense specifically, and what was caused by the defense having to spend so much time on the field.

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BTW, you are correct that Amato was never a DC. He served in a myriad of different defensive coaching positions and was an assistant head coach at FSU, but wasn't ever DC. Point is still valid, but thanks for the correction.

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM. Reason : Pointing to the wrong post.]

10/21/2011 2:04:08 PM

Amato actually was Defensive Coordinator at state under Bo Rein from 1976-1979.

10/21/2011 2:30:13 PM

sheesh. it was a troll comment based upon your post concerning Gott being a DC.

10/21/2011 3:01:34 PM

^I think I missed it. Before your comment, who stated Gottfried was a DC?

10/21/2011 3:13:05 PM

dammit. i read over that shit and didn't even see that.

nvm.

/fail

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2011 4:15:27 PM

[...edited after price's edit]

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 4:19 PM. Reason : Added Quote]

No worries, man. I'm just happy it didn't turn into a "thing". If it makes you feel better, I re-read what I posted 4 or 5 times to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious!

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM. Reason : And now for something entirely different...]

10/21/2011 4:17:22 PM

what in the fuck is going on here

10/21/2011 4:32:25 PM

10/21/2011 4:40:08 PM

couple of flirts

10/21/2011 4:40:59 PM

Breakdown in communication. Don't worry, since we won a football game, I'm sure people will be too busy pretending that NC State is mounting a comeback to talk about basketball... at least not until next week.

10/24/2011 9:13:46 AM

Right, becuase NC State message boards are filled with glass half-full posters.

10/24/2011 9:48:34 AM

I get your point, but neuroticism isn't just negative. Look no further than a couple years ago when Lowe's team beat top-ranked Duke and people were saying "this was the team we were waiting for!"

But no... I get your point, and I'm definitely not optimistic about O'Brien. Hell, I wasn't optimistic after last season's 9-wins because I feared it was a "flash in the pan". I got torched on StateFansNation for suggesting such a thing at the end of last season.

10/24/2011 9:56:13 AM

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"Gottfried begins work reshaping Wolfpack By AARON BEARD, AP Basketball Writer RALEIGH, N.C. — New North Carolina State coach Mark Gottfried isn't letting anything slide in his first season, whether it's players arriving late to study hall or not showing the competitive fight he wants to see in practice. After five underachieving years, Gottfried wants to change more than just the style of play for the Wolfpack. "I think it's kind of become a fashionable thing to say when coaches say, 'We need to change the culture,'" Gottfried said. "I do think that's kind of where we are, and what I mean is when you start to define culture, it means how hard we're going to work every day, how well do we pay attention to detail. how much we want to compete and when the going gets tough, how do we respond to that? "I've seen it early in our practices already where either an individual or groups, it may not be going their way and the first reaction is to point a finger. Those are things that have to change." A lot of things must change after the past five years under Sidney Lowe. He went just 86-78 overall, 25-55 in Atlantic Coast Conference regular-season play and never finished higher than ninth in the league. N.C. State also lost 16 of 19 against nearby ACC rivals Duke and North Carolina. Lowe managed to bring in talent, including holdovers C.J. Leslie, Lorenzo Brown, Richard Howell and Scott Wood. Gottfried's job is to get more out of the players that never seemed to meet their potential under Lowe. That meant making sure players knew it was unacceptable when they arrived 20 minutes late for study hall or for weightlifting sessions shortly after Gottfried's arrival in the spring. It meant forcing his players to increase their competitiveness by matching them up 1-on-1 in drills that end when a player scores or the other gets the defensive rebound. As Leslie pointed out, Gottfried "don't like softies." One look at Howell shows the results. With Gottfried pushing him to get in better shape shortly after his arrival, the 6-8 forward has shed about 20 pounds since the spring. "They want to win," Gottfried said. "They're hungry. They're wanting for somebody to come in here and help them in a way. They know they have to work hard. I think overall that has been pretty positive since we got here." Senior C.J. Williams said it hasn't taken long for players to get the message. "Guys knew things were going to change," he said. "We came in with the mindset of let's take what the coach is giving us, that knowledge he's giving us and use it to the best of our ability," he said. "We want to win. We're not coming here to rebuild." While N.C. State hasn't reached the NCAA tournament since Herb Sendek's final season in 2006, Gottfried figures his group is a "mystery team" in the ACC race with three starters back in Leslie, Wood and Brown, as well as Howell off the bench. Leslie, a 6-foot-8 forward was one of Lowe's most heralded recruits, was the team's second-leading scorer with 11 points and the top rebounder (7.2). He had games when he used his long-armed frame to create matchup problems for opponents, but in other games he looked unfocused and erratic. Perhaps that's part of the reason why Gottfried keeps calling Leslie by his first name — Calvin — and saying "it's time for a new start with him." Wood averaged nearly 10 points and has been the team's best outside shooting threat, while Brown will become the full-time point guard after playing both guard spots as a freshman. The team also benefited when point guard Alex Johnson transferred in after graduating from Cal State-Bakersfield. He can play immediately after enrolling in graduate school, giving the Wolfpack some help at the point. "We're laying a foundation now," Gottfried said. "The next part of it will be when we get into games, the popcorn's popping and the bright lights are on. Now how do you respond?""

10/26/2011 1:58:15 PM

I think the transition of the team, in Gottfried's eyes, is interesting. When he first began working with this team, understandably, he stated that 'this isn't an NCAA Tournament team". Maybe that was just something to get the team humbled, but the rhetoric has definitely changed. Now he's calling us a "mystery team". I really like what he's doing so far, but obviously it'll all be useless unless he can produce on the court.

Quote :

"As Leslie pointed out, Gottfried "don't like softies.""

And that, CJ, is why Harrow isn't on your team anymore.

10/26/2011 2:35:43 PM

I don't expect us to be in the top 3 but I really believe we can finish in the top 5. I really think Gottfried is going to shape these guys into a solid team.

10/26/2011 5:25:21 PM

Has this guy jumped out of a plane yet? If not, 100% not credible.

10/26/2011 5:30:45 PM

^To be fair, it wasn't his idea in the first place.

10/26/2011 6:17:29 PM

Quote :

"I don't expect us to be in the top 3 but I really believe we can finish in the top 5. I really think Gottfried is going to shape these guys into a solid team."

Are you talking about in the conference or in the atlantic division? I'd agree about the latter.

10/26/2011 6:26:58 PM

I guess you know there is no such thing for basketball. I guess.....

10/26/2011 6:28:00 PM

10/27/2011 9:34:04 AM

lol atlantic division

nerd

10/27/2011 10:20:53 AM

I too like what im reading about toughening these guys up. I don't know if any of you will remember or notice, but the last 10 years at least, 5 of Herb and 5 of Lowe, i don't think ive ever seen a team get more of their dunks and putbacks blocked. It would happen to us, what seemed like, once a game. And that's toughness and finishing and not being a pussy. Lo and CJ bring that. CJ just not consistently, but the rest of these guys were definitely not tough enough.

If i was coach, id take their ass up to some public courts in NYC, let them get their asses handed to them by some high schoolers and playground heroes and show them what being tough on the ball court looks like.

10/27/2011 11:04:58 AM

Gott lost to his son in one-on-one after practice yesterday. -10 credibility

10/27/2011 12:23:35 PM

he's a caring father who makes time for his son and doesnt mind giving him a win to boost his confidence +100

[Edited on October 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2011 1:06:50 PM

Gott is a great teacher then

+100 credibility

10/27/2011 1:24:16 PM

Gott's son isn't in jail

+10 credibility

10/27/2011 1:46:29 PM

^lol

10/27/2011 1:48:57 PM

^^ low blow.

[Edited on October 27, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2011 1:49:07 PM

lame.

10/27/2011 1:53:08 PM

Quote :

"lowlowe blow."

10/27/2011 2:00:04 PM

whole lot of face palm in the last 6 or so posts

[Edited on October 27, 2011 at 2:57 PM. Reason : lk]

10/27/2011 2:57:27 PM

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"Gott lost to his son in one-on-one after practice yesterday. -10 credibility"

No, this. You should always, 100% of the time be able to take it to the house on your own kid.

10/27/2011 3:31:56 PM

doesn't his son play football at stanford? I'm sure the kid is in great shape and wore the old man down.

edit: yeah...he's 6-5 too...so that probably helps http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gottfried_brandon00.html


[Edited on October 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : asfd]

10/27/2011 3:33:06 PM

what is a guy on the stanford football team doing in raleigh right now?

surely it's a different son. perhaps one of the three that he has in the 14-16 age range.

10/27/2011 3:53:11 PM

neverMind

lols

I suck at reading

[Edited on October 27, 2011 at 4:09 PM. Reason : sd]

10/27/2011 4:07:10 PM

Yeah, it was his younger son...and judging by his picture on twitter appears to be in high school.

10/27/2011 5:19:06 PM

Son is an 8th grader at Martin (think he has a 7th grade son too) age wise he should be a 9th grader, but they held him back /creepster

10/27/2011 5:30:04 PM

He may have a high school aged son also @ broughton....not 100$ sure. Dude has a lot of offspring.

10/27/2011 5:32:19 PM

would you be 50$ sure?

10/27/2011 5:37:26 PM

i'm %90 sure he has a kid at broughton

10/27/2011 6:08:52 PM

makes sense...didn't think that one through too well

10/27/2011 7:24:22 PM