Im just glad the bobcats were able to find a coach that would work for minimum wage. Now to draft a 4' tall white guy at the no 2 spot

6/26/2012 7:46:05 PM

I'd take Henson late lottery, Zeller around the mid to late 20's, and Marshall not until the 2nd round.

Henson has a lot of potential on both ends, particularly defense. He was a good jump shooter in HS and showed touch this season in college. He's a great rebounder and an elite shot blocker. He has prototypical length and has plenty of time to add size. He's a great defender and can guard multiple positions (very important in the NBA since every play is a pick & roll).

Zeller has limited upside in my opinion. He's a year older and already has a polished offensive game. Defensively he may not have the athleticism to compete against starting NBA caliber talent. His biggest strength in college was his size advantage and touch around the basket. It remains to be seen if that will be effective against NBA defenders. His other effective weapon was his speed. There aren't a ton of plodding NBA centers in today's game so that advantage will be somewhat offset as well.


Marshall I just don't see it. He can't shoot and isn't a good enough athlete. He's a good passer but I just don't see him hacking it in the NBA. No steals, blocks, high turnovers, and unable to get to the line. I could see him carving out a niche as a 3rd string PG somewhere but there are a LOT of NBA backup PG's that I think are significantly better than Marshall (Dragic, Collison, Maynor, Miller, Lou Williams, CJ Watson, Ridnour, Bayless, Beaubois, Farmar, Vazquez, Udrih, Watson, Gaines, etc) and with the recent influx of dynamic young PG's in the league like Rose, Lowry, Lawson, Conley, Rubio, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Teague, Lin, and Isaiah Thomas the league is just oversaturated with good young talented PG's. Add all the mainstays like Paul, Rondo, Calderon, Nash, Parker, etc and the easily available plug ins like Jack, Chalmers, Felton, Augustin, Harris, Holiday, and Stuckey and I just can't imagine why anyone would bother wasting a lottery pick on PG unless the guy was a guaranteed game changing stud.

6/26/2012 8:09:26 PM

Bobcats have traded Maggette to the Pistons for Ben Gordon and future protected 1st round pick.

Ed Isaacson ?@nbadraftblog

Report from @WojYahooNBA :Gordon & future 1st rounder (protected) to Charlotte for Maggette - Gordon w/ 1 year and a player option for next

6/26/2012 8:09:27 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA

Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports

6/26/2012 8:10:11 PM

Whoa

give me a few minutes to process this

6/26/2012 8:10:53 PM

1st round pick that the Bobcats got is a 2013 pick and is lottery protected.

6/26/2012 8:14:01 PM

OK we're going to have the see the protection on this pick. Because we took on an extra year of big time salary to make this happen. Of course he's going to pick up his option, no way he'd make close to 13 million otherwise. He's marginally better than Corey Magette as a player, but thats immaterial, because this was all about cap space. Its going to come down the draft pick, but I don't like it on the surface.

6/26/2012 8:14:03 PM

Lottery protected? Detroit doesn't figure to make playoffs, so we won't get it till later. Not a fan. Seems to indicate we're leaning Barnes since we have no SF's other than maybe Derrick Brown on the roster.

6/26/2012 8:17:10 PM

On second thought I don't really hate it quite as much. We're not going to contend the next two years anyway, and we still have to hit the salary floor. Several albatross contracts come off the books next summer so we'll still have room to sign a top guy if we're somehow able. Doesn't really make to much of a dent in our long term plans, and maybe Detroit sucks for a while and the pick ends up being valuable. I've long lost all faith in Jordan, but I'll give Cho the benefit of the doubt until he gives me a reason not to.

Quote :

"According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016"

[Edited on June 26, 2012 at 8:25 PM. Reason : So we all root against Detroit now]

6/26/2012 8:23:32 PM

Via @sam_amick

According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

6/26/2012 8:25:57 PM

Gordon > Maggette, what's not to like?

6/26/2012 8:37:00 PM

face must hate Gordon since all he is is a scorer and points arent nearly as valuable as something like rebounds

6/26/2012 8:40:00 PM

Use the number 2 on Henson, and take away his eyebrow clippers?

6/26/2012 8:45:06 PM

Completely agree with face in his non-Barnes UNC analysis.

6/26/2012 8:59:30 PM

This is a GREAT trade.

Maggette is worse than worthless. Gordon, while essentially worthless at least provides some entertainment value.

So we basically add a lot of salary for one extra season (2013-2014), a year in which we already were tracking well below the minimum roster salaries anyway.

In exchange we get a first round draft pick that could end up being NICE. The pick is lotto protected next year which is terrific. Detroit is virtually guaranteed to wind up in the lotto next year so we won't get it then. Then it drops down to a top 8 protected pick (might get it), top 1 protected (almost definitely get it), unprotected (definitely get it) in the subsequent three seasons. Considering Detroit is a bad team and doesn't appear to be getting much better this is exactly the kind of pick we should be looking to acquire.

Love it. Hard to believe we got zero for Tyson Chandler, Gerald Wallace, and Raymond Felton (basically 90% of a fairly young playoff roster) yet we get an upgrade + great 1st round pick for a beyond washed up Corey Maggette.

Things are looking up.

6/26/2012 9:02:51 PM

We are obviously very unlikely to land top-tier talent via free agency. Our cap space is best utilized doing the following:

1) Making trades like this where you trade away an expiring deal and eat an unfriendly contract to acquire a young player or good pick.

2) Extending the contracts of good young players (like we did with Gerald Wallace a few years ago). It's much easier to convince a guy to stay in Charlotte if he's already here than to sign him via free agency.

3) Picking up bargain players who other teams may have overlooked for cheap contracts (Derrick Brown or Reggie Williams type players)

4) If we get on the verge of contending making trades to absorb a veteran who may be slightly overpaid (Jason Richardson type deal, except we did this when we sucked instead of when we were on the verge of contending. BIG difference.)


I'd love to see us make another deal or two similar to this and really just throw the whole 2013-2014 season away too while we load up on more picks. We have like $50 million worth of cap space we could absorb every Ben Gordon type in the league and win 20-25 games which is still bad enough to get a top 5 pick but not be historically embarrassing during the process of loading up on picks.

[Edited on June 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM. Reason : a]

6/26/2012 9:10:02 PM

6/26/2012 11:16:40 PM

sign nym up for season tickets

6/26/2012 11:26:43 PM

Curious to know what Hollinger thought of the trade if anyone has insider.

His PER metric is a just plain awful statistical mess, but he usually has a pretty good understanding of working the cap and that's all this trade really was.

6/27/2012 2:56:29 AM

^

Quote :

"Let me make this real simple for you: The Bobcats just purchased a first-round draft pick with money they had to spend anyway. The headlines will say that Ben Gordon was traded for Corey Maggette, but pay no mind; they're just contracts in this deal. They're not bad players necessarily, but they're roughly equivalent talents with oversized contracts on teams going nowhere. The real action comes through the draft pick and the money changing hands. Charlotte now has a potential lottery pick in 2014 or 2015, and the cost is the difference in salary (about $14 million). Normally, that would be an excessive price to pay, but these aren't normal times. The Bobcats may not hit the league's salary floor in 2013-14, let alone the cap, so the $13.2 million that Gordon adds to their payroll in that season doesn't stand to hurt them much since they needed to add a bunch of salary anyway. In that sense, they really paid far less than $14 million for the draft pick. From Detroit's perspective, this deal was a no-brainer. The Pistons dump $13.2 million from their 2013-14 payroll, since Maggette's contract expires in 2012-13, retain their amnesty clause to use on Charlie Villanueva (instead of maybe Gordon) and now stand to be as much as $20 million under the cap that summer, depending on what moves they make between now and then. "

6/27/2012 3:23:14 AM

Quote :

"bwgood77 I wonder if this will break the record for least read story on the site. 6 fans like this."

6/27/2012 8:31:57 AM

It's amazing that guys like Ben Gordon can be making $13.2 million a year.

6/27/2012 8:34:29 AM

It's unbelievable. Ben Gordon is probably only ranking No. 50 in the league. That means NBA has about 100 millionaires.

6/27/2012 9:20:13 AM

About 100? How many teams do you think there are in the NBA?

6/27/2012 9:39:24 AM

Okay, swimming in Polo, sleeping in Jordan’s
I bought a cell phone and I don’t even much call it
New imports make her feel important
No bullshit, nigga no Ben Gordon

6/27/2012 9:40:50 AM

I suppose each team has 3 million-dollar contract-holders.

[Edited on June 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM. Reason : grammar]

6/27/2012 9:44:30 AM

Seems like an OK dude

6/27/2012 9:48:26 AM

The Bobcats should at lease explore dealing the 2 pick to the Rockets for multiple picks given the depth of the draft and lack of number 2 surefire value.

6/27/2012 11:06:34 AM

bismack is shoot?

6/27/2012 11:08:35 AM

Quote :

"I suppose each team has 3 million-dollar contract-holders."

I would suppose it is way more than that.

6/27/2012 11:35:10 AM

OK. So then more than 100. How many do you think? 120?150?

6/27/2012 11:39:13 AM

an asian that's bad with numbers? how useful

6/27/2012 12:45:35 PM

Supposedly Cleveland is offering the 4,24,34 for our #2.

Its an obvious deal if we aren't going to take beal at #2. Wed still end up with Robinson at #4 probably because the wizards are way too full of big men and they'd have to take mkg or Barnes.

Not only do we still get trob or mkg, the #4 pick makes significantly less than the #2 pick over the four year contract.

The #24 gets a really cheap contract (starts near $1m a year) which gives us an ultra cheap reserve with upside and then wed have two really early 2nd rounders (they make next to nothing and theyre contracts aren't even guaranteed) in this really deep draft.

Seems like a no brainer to me. We audition a ton of kids this year and we leave ourselves sitting really pretty capwise for the forseeable future.

I still prefer beal, but seeing as how we already have 4 SG on the roster (granted 3 are signed thru this year and only Ben Gordon for 2 years) he may not make as much sense as Robinson or mkg now.

6/27/2012 1:09:53 PM

^^ Why does an asian need to be good at numbers? We have calculators.

6/27/2012 1:12:59 PM

I'm with face on this one. Plus, regarding the trade with the Pistons, is this the first time ever the Bobcats have come out ahead on a trade? Seems like it to me.

6/27/2012 1:39:20 PM

Maybe since our first trade ever when the Clippers traded No. 2 pick to the Bobcats for No. 4 and No. 33 picks and Charlotte agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak from the Clippers in the expansion draft.

6/27/2012 2:29:15 PM

http://tracking.si.com/2012/06/27/tyrus-thomas-bobcats-nba-draft-michael-jordan/

6/27/2012 2:41:25 PM

Pinnacle of Bobcats franchise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0VzufOYHIo#t=148s

6/27/2012 2:51:06 PM

hadn't been posted

6/27/2012 4:15:09 PM

Quote :

"and Charlotte agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak"

i had such high hopes for the bobcats when this happened. peja drobnjak was my favorite NBA player. if you ever saw his website from his time with the sonics, you would understand.


http://work.wongdoody.com/sonics/drobnjak/index.html

this used to be on the sonics official website.

[Edited on June 27, 2012 at 4:34 PM. Reason : !!!]

6/27/2012 4:21:14 PM

great, might as well call us the charlotte alley cats.

6/27/2012 4:25:42 PM

Standing above the crowd, he had a voice that was strong and loud.

We'll miss him.

We'll miss him.


WIELDING AND POINTING HIS FINGER.

It was sooooooo long.


See you guys later I'm going to Vegas for a few weeks. Good luck to the bobcats

[Edited on June 28, 2012 at 4:58 AM. Reason : a]

6/28/2012 4:57:19 AM

Yeah right

Because they don't have TWW out there

6/28/2012 9:00:16 AM

Face is my new favorite user, not only for his witty and thought provoking banter that prompts so many enjoyable and productive discussions, but just the plain fact he would quote one of Tool's best songs in a thread dedicated to the Charlotte bobcats

[Edited on June 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM. Reason : \]

[Edited on June 28, 2012 at 9:19 AM. Reason : can't spell]

6/28/2012 9:15:16 AM

that isnt the first time Face's name and Tool have been used in the same post

6/28/2012 9:18:38 AM

If the Bobcats don't trade back, they lost the draft

6/28/2012 1:56:24 PM

sounds like a given we're trading back, my question is do we trade back again, and wind up with like 3-4 picks in the first round

6/28/2012 6:05:13 PM

heard the trade w/ Cleveland for 4 and 24 the most

6/28/2012 6:16:35 PM

Sbkurtz, check out the adapted tool song I wrote in the stock market thread about a month ago haha.

I like trading down as long as we don't move out of the top 4 if its for picks. Hearing varejao name floated some, I love him at 3 yrs, $27 million left on his deal but #2 pick is steep for him.

Still holding out hope for harden....

6/28/2012 6:48:58 PM

I feel like they are going to trade with Cleveland, and then take Barnes at #4 when MKG is still available.

6/28/2012 6:56:12 PM