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"I think the only thing this audio proves is that Wilson doesn't need to own a firearm, because he's a horrible shot."

10 shots, six hits, with a broken eye socket?

Some clear things from the audio (if it's real, and I think it is): Some of the first 6 were hits. Some or all of the final 4 were hits.

The gap is consistent with just about any version of the events. Maybe the first 6 were fired while Brown was charging, and Wilson thought Brown was going down or was stopped. Then he kept coming, thus needing to continue firing. Or, Brown was surrendering after a few hit their mark, and Wilson finished him off without cause or threat. Or a dozen other stories.

This just doesn't tell us much at all.

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 7:55 PM. Reason : a]

8/26/2014 7:51:28 PM

I thought that eye socket fracture was dispelled as a myth.

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM. Reason : Oh yeah, you get your news from the gateway pundit]

8/26/2014 7:57:07 PM

eye socket was not broken

8/26/2014 7:58:20 PM

The eye socket was a case of misinformation. I believe it started from some anonymous source on a right wing blog.

8/26/2014 9:24:50 PM

Oh shit. I've been outta the loop the last few days after travelling and not paying much attention to the news and all. Didn't realize the busted eye socket was unfounded. Last thing I heard was just a bunch of "anonymous sources" saying it...but still, people seemed to be taking it as fact. Sounds like I've missed some shit.

8/26/2014 9:51:48 PM

anonymous sources are responsible for both the reports of the eye socket being broken and for it being a myth. We don't know at this point and probably won't for some time.

I would like to know more about the audio recording of the shooting. It seems suspect as hell that we get a 5 second clip when it seems obvious that the original clip is much longer in length. I'd like to know if you can hear the supposed shot from inside the car at some earlier point in the clip.

8/26/2014 10:33:38 PM

^ there wasn't any real signs of bruising consistent with brown smashing Wilton's face:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/independent-autopsy-shows-no-sign-of-struggle-in-michael-browns-shooting-1408381747

8/26/2014 10:42:04 PM

The original recording was a video chat, right?


I assumed they cut the recording when releasing it to the public in order to preserve the privacy of the communication. It was probably a kinky sex chat going on.

8/26/2014 10:44:15 PM

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"anonymous sources are responsible for both the reports of the eye socket being broken and for it being a myth."

no, a doctored photo (which has been disproved) is the main reason for reports of the eye socket being broken

8/26/2014 11:15:43 PM

One of the girls in that video said "they shot him for no reason. I heard it while I was in the shower"

8/26/2014 11:19:13 PM

So Fox News fails again?

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"Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries including a bone fracture near one eye and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com."

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"The precise extent of Wilson's injuries are unclear. The source told FoxNews.com on Wednesday that the officer had sustained a fractured eye socket in the incident, and repeated that assertion early Friday morning, in response to a conflicting report on the severity of the injuries. "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

8/26/2014 11:34:47 PM

Woah, conflicting anonymous reports?! No way!

8/27/2014 1:19:30 AM

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"^ there wasn't any real signs of bruising consistent with brown smashing Wilton's face: "

no bruising on the hands doesn't mean he didn't smash the cops face in with the car door when he shoved him back in.

8/27/2014 8:50:31 AM

it also doesn't mean a whole bunch of things, for all we know we hit his face on the door getting out of the car quickly. since we don't even have Wilson's side of the story, almost any explanation is as plausible as the next.

8/27/2014 8:53:29 AM

Jon Stewart nails it:
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off

8/27/2014 12:23:43 PM

if that's the one that came on last night, i saw it, and it was pretty good

8/27/2014 12:52:40 PM

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"no bruising on the hands doesn't mean he didn't smash the cops face in with the car door when he shoved him back in. "

But that would be a new narrative no one yet has espoused.

8/27/2014 1:03:47 PM

it was the narrative from day one; cop goes to get out of the car, Brown pushes on the door to put Wilson back in. Even the friend confirmed the door altercation happened, although he said the door hit Brown and not Brown hit the door.

8/27/2014 1:10:36 PM

but you said the friend has absolutely no credibility

8/27/2014 1:12:40 PM

i still don't understand why eleusis is so eager to accept the hearsay from a friend but completely disregard the eyewitnesses



[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:13 PM. Reason : (actually I do understand, dude is probably a racist)]

8/27/2014 1:13:41 PM

not entirely sure about racist, but he's definitely biased

8/27/2014 1:15:23 PM

i mean eyewitnesses in general can make mistakes, even when they are trying to be 100% accurate and are positive in what they saw, but that doesn't somehow make hearsay from Wilson's friend more reliable

8/27/2014 1:16:27 PM

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" mean eyewitnesses in general can make mistakes, even when they are trying to be 100% accurate and are positive in what they saw, but that doesn't somehow make hearsay from Wilson's friend more reliable "

Because the shitty Ferguson police department has yet to release Wilson's official side of the story, his friend's account is all we have regarding Wilson's perspective.

8/27/2014 1:29:40 PM

i think you missed my point, i'm asking why is that more reliable than the eyewitnesses

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 1:40 PM. Reason : because its not]

8/27/2014 1:40:39 PM

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"make hearsay from Wilson's friend more reliable"

no one is talking about Wilson's hearsay. the friend I mentioned was obviously Brown's friend that was walking with him, and he confirmed Brown making contact with the door as the officer went to exit the vehicle.

8/27/2014 1:53:24 PM

the level of sleuthing ITT is fascinating.

8/27/2014 1:57:22 PM

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"it was the narrative from day one; cop goes to get out of the car, Brown pushes on the door to put Wilson back in. Even the friend confirmed the door altercation happened, although he said the door hit Brown and not Brown hit the door."

You're making this up.

Wilson's side has always claimed brown beat him mercilessly, which is why he feared for his life and shot him.

No one has said brown beat him with the door. It's been said that brown pushed on the door to stop wilson from opening it however.

8/27/2014 3:56:03 PM

You're making that up; the Wilson camp hasn't said shit about what happened.

the police brass gave a very vague statement about Brown shoving the officer back into the car during the altercation, and Brown's friend also confirmed that Brown made contact with the door in some fashion causing the door to hit the officer. no one has stated one way or the other if the door caused any injuries, if fists caused any injuries, or if there was anything more than superficial injuries that occurred at all. it's not a new narrative because there's never been a narrative.

8/27/2014 5:34:32 PM

that would mean that Wilson's friends were speaking out against the Wilson camp's wishes

8/27/2014 5:49:08 PM

god damn, apparently the police drove over the memorial and let their dog piss on it. that's almost 100% dick.

8/27/2014 5:54:40 PM

8/27/2014 5:56:55 PM

^^had to look that up because it would be almost unimaginable for police to do something so fucking stupid at this point, that could make tensions flare up again, while still incredibly fucked up, that apparently happened a few hours after the shooting, not recently

8/27/2014 6:02:26 PM

Yeah I wasn't gonna google it...smelled like bullshit.

8/27/2014 6:03:36 PM

I guess not completely surprising, if true. I kept hearing reports of the police doing and saying whatever they could to aggravate protestors after the shooting

It just makes the narrative put forth by the police that "we are just out here trying to keep the calm, and keep everyone safe" even more ridiculous.

8/27/2014 6:12:47 PM

I got all the feels from this: http://www.rogerebert.com/mzs/what-white-privilege-really-means-an-anecdote

8/27/2014 7:04:32 PM

they really did it:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

(regarding the picture, in the article they mention that the road was closed to traffic except for police, so it wasn't another car that did it)

8/27/2014 7:17:03 PM

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"The identity of the officer who handled the dog and the agency he was with remain unclear."

I'm having a hard time understanding how that is unclear. They would have logged who was in charge of the k-9 unit that day.

8/27/2014 8:50:24 PM

#disbandFPD

8/28/2014 1:20:14 AM

^^^^

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"if you're not fighting inequality every day, in ways both large and small, and if you accept the benefits of white privilege without questioning their rightness, you're part of the problem, too. "

Pretty much. Things aren't going to get better for blacks and other minorities in this country if whites don't actively try and help them out. There aren't enough blacks as a demographic to kickstart changes for their community, they need the help of the majority groups. It's going to take at least 50% of the white community to understand their complaints, but recent polls only have this number at around 40%... so close, but so far away.

This is one of the cases where the government can only do so much, the rest of the changes are up to We the People.

8/28/2014 1:32:34 AM

The firm that runs the app that supposedly captured the audio of Browns shooting says the recording was captured around noon on Aug. 9th, which is around the time the shooting occured.

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM. Reason : b]

8/28/2014 3:21:50 PM

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"god damn, apparently the police drove over the memorial and let their dog piss on it. that's almost 100% dick. "

not almost, it is 100% dick.

8/28/2014 5:14:16 PM

Yeah the Ferguson police, even aside from all the questions surrounding the shooting itself, have proven themselves to be pretty fucking incompetent throughout this.

8/28/2014 6:17:27 PM

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/25/ferguson%E2%80%99s_booming_white_grievance_industry_fox_news_darren_wilson_and_friends/

Apparently the supposed friend giving Wilton's side is likely a fabrication.

At this point there is no explanation for why brown was shot other than vague references by the police of brown being aggressive.

Combined with the known history of problems with ferguson of, the fact Wilson came from a PD disbanded for racism, and the oddly over aggressive police response, it seems like ferguson pd is trying to hide something.

Seems odd for a police force to not justify a shooting, if they felt it was actually justified.

8/28/2014 7:52:37 PM

I still don't understand why they haven't released an official version of Wilson's side of the story. I've been giving Wilson the benefit of the doubt, but I'm slowly losing it. The FBI has it, I'm sure. They should release it.

8/28/2014 9:38:42 PM

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"not almost, it is 100% dick."

I don't think ANYONE is 100% dick

8/28/2014 9:59:08 PM

^^ name one thing that this police department has done that warrants giving them or anybody associated with them the benefit of the doubt

8/28/2014 11:27:45 PM

a few officers like nicki minaj and most of them appreciate hamburger art

8/28/2014 11:34:21 PM

i just don't know how moron can sleep, with all the injustices in this world

[Edited on August 29, 2014 at 12:13 AM. Reason : *can]

8/29/2014 12:13:13 AM

I don't sleep.

8/29/2014 2:03:31 AM

Yeah when they claimed they didnt want to release the officers name immediately I got that and it made sense. After this long though to have released his name but still not released an official statement on the officers side of the story most definitely looks suspect. If anything that should have been released before they released his name if not at least at the same time.

8/29/2014 8:44:46 AM