huffington post

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-JCE2011

12/23/2015 10:46:58 AM

The sad thing is moron still reads and posts that shit. No wonder he thinks America is so racist.

"Liberal Propaganda website trying to perpetuate victim narrative, perpetuates victim narrative"

12/23/2015 12:54:12 PM

Here you go:
https://www.metrotransit.org/Data/Sites/1/media/blog/police_report-12-17-15.pdf

12/23/2015 1:01:12 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/11-big-accomplishments-black-activists-achieved-in-2015_567996bae4b0b958f6583320

I've said this a few times, but BLM has already had an impact and will continue to do so.

12/23/2015 3:15:35 PM

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"Are you shitting me? If you are an underprivileged minority that excels in high school it is almost a slam dunk to get a large chunk if not all your college paid for."

How delusional must one be to believe that central bankers are in the business of giving minorities free educations? Lol. Furthermore, what's the difference between an affluent person's parents paying for their college (lets be real, whoever said this and I don't care enough to look, definitely got their education paid for by the parents) and a poor person getting it paid for by other people who aren't their parents paying for it?

Also btw State totally has an "orientation" for "minorities" class. I took it and there were quite a few pacific islanders from rural NC who were obligated to take that class because they applied as minority

[Edited on December 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ]

12/23/2015 3:22:49 PM

I said it champ and I paid for my entire education and/or got un-subsidized student loans. What exactly does this have to do with central bankers?

You are delusional if you are not aware that the whole FAFSA program gives out grants and subsidized loans based on a students income level. My parents made above X amount thus I never was awarded any of these subsidized loans or need based grants. Yet my parents considered a college as an investment in my own future and thus expected me to pay for my own education. Regardless the notion that higher education in 2015 is unobtainable to any achieving (i.e. good grades in high school) minority student is completely false. FAFSA is solely need based.

There are even more programs that are specifically based on assisting minority students specifically.

I suppose the only difference in my situations then "some people" is that it was beat into my head that i'm responsible for my own actions and future...

12/23/2015 6:18:55 PM

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"I've said this a few times, but BLM has already had an impact and will continue to do so."

I've said this too many times, but HuffingtonPost isn't "news" or a valid "source"... it is biased liberal propaganda clickbait, the fact that you have, and continue to, reference and read it only solidifies your position as one too entrenched in the ignorance of the echo-chamber to have a logical discussion about something.

A bunch of spoiled college kids throwing a hissyfit, shitting on free speech, and lying about racism I guess counts as an "impact".

BLM has had the political impact of division that George Soros and Clinton intended, and it succeeds in labeling anyone that doesn't pay lip service (aka not liberal idiot) as a racist.

But hey, like HuffPost says, 2015 has been a great year for Black people. Rather than focus on root causes of poverty/crime/police interaction, let's focus on the 0.001% of police interactions and perpetuate a narrative of racist cops and infallible victims. That way we don't actually help blacks, but we ensure they will be dependent on government and vote democrat forever.

Lets all pause for a 5 minute moment of silence for Mike Brown, a thug who attacked a cop, but because of the narrative we are creating, he is now a civil rights martyr and a hero who was a victim of racism, because we don't care about the facts. #IStandWithFalseNarratives #IfYouDontYoureRacist - Huffpost

12/23/2015 7:32:48 PM

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"But hey, like HuffPost says, 2015 has been a great year for Black people. Rather than focus on root causes of poverty/crime/police interaction, let's focus on the 0.001% of police interactions and perpetuate a narrative of racist cops and infallible victims. That way we don't actually help blacks, but we ensure they will be dependent on government and vote democrat forever."

Good call the mean po-po just be picking on black people! #Racist #WeDidntDoIt #StreetCred #DoWhateverIWant
#LawsAintForMe #RacistUntilProvenOtherwise #HandsUpDontShoot #WhoCaresPoliceAlsoUnjustlyShootWhitePeople
#OnlyBlackLivesMatter #LetsShutDownAirportsandDemandSympathy

[Edited on December 23, 2015 at 7:59 PM. Reason : a]

12/23/2015 7:58:45 PM

^^ http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=646578

12/23/2015 10:32:47 PM

Yea I know, some crazy guy posted stuff about a Fluoride conspiracy and you really showed him. What that has to do with you being brainwashed by the HuffingtonPost is beyond me.

Hey guys, BLACK LIVES MATTER. So let's ignore 99.9% of the problems hurting black lives, and then disproportionately flip shit over 0.1% of cases where we can rage about racism, because nothing says "I care about black people" like using them as political tools and ensuring their dependency on the government. If you disagree, you're a racist because you don't read HuffingtonPost like me.

#IstandwithHuffPost #MoronLogic
#Liberalism #lol

12/23/2015 11:07:17 PM

^ ZOMG so racist!!!!!

#StopAskingQuestions #Victim #ResponsibilityIsSillyTalk #BLMOnly #MobMentality #LogicIsSilly #RacistUntilProvenInnocent

[Edited on December 24, 2015 at 1:54 AM. Reason : K]

12/24/2015 1:54:09 AM

Let's be serious guys. We are all dependent on the government. You find some forms of dependency "acceptable" and others "unacceptable".

I'm sure you are both nice young men but you both are slightly delusional.

12/24/2015 11:07:52 AM

Slightly?

12/24/2015 11:27:04 AM

I have no issues with many government programs. Like my friend JCE however I do have issues with the false sense of victimhoood perpetuated in some communities as well as the content these same communities have for maintaining their dependency on government assistance and the lack of shame that is instead viewed our "cred" for computing criminal behaviors.

Behaviors that are then blamed as a effect of a false sense of oppression

12/24/2015 11:37:47 AM

So you honestly think this "false sense of victimhood" (whatever that's supposed to mean) is a more menacing threat to our society than- oh, you know- the REAL victimhood that's gone on unchecked for the past several decades?

Yeah, it's pretty shitty and lame some liberal white people at private schools like Oberlin are complaining about cafeteria food, but that's just noise. You can either fixate on it, or look at is as being "statistically insignificant" like your pal JCE thinks and move on. The rest of us can see the difference.

12/24/2015 11:48:25 AM

^^
You realize that the hypothesis that racism doesn't lead to widespread discrimination is easily rejected from the multiple studies on the issue over the years across various scenarios? And we know this is all built on literal white supremacist politics that were pervasive throughout up to the 60s. Do you think these politics and politicians just quietly went away when the civil rights bill passed? Do you think these people just tucked their racism away into boxes never to be seen again?

Do you understand that with 70% of the population being white, it only takes a small percentage of them being racist to cause problems for the 10% that are black?

No one is saying things haven't gotten better, but progress has stalled, and the recession amplified this.

12/24/2015 12:13:01 PM

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" - oh, you know- the REAL victimhood that's gone on unchecked for the past several decades? "

What, specifically, are you referencing by “REAL victimhood”?

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" You realize that the hypothesis that racism doesn't lead to widespread discrimination is easily rejected from the multiple studies on the issue over the years across various scenarios?"

Could you provide a specific study?

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" is a more menacing threat to our society"

I think the echo-chamber is a threat to our society. Rather than have 2 sides of an argument discussed in a civil manner, we have one side screaming "racist bigot homophone", trying to appeal to the emotional, knee-jerk reactions of people rather than using logic and reason. This character assassination tactic, this "I'm offended, you aren't PC" bitchfest prevents discussion and "progress"... and is directly responsible for Donald Trump's appeal.


[Edited on December 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2015 1:52:01 PM

Yes, the media gets it wrong sometimes. In fact, they get it wrong quite a bit. Here's a newsflash for you: they are out to sell newspapers and clicks and aren't necessarily concerned with the truth. It has always been this way and it always will- regardless of the political slant. Smart people who read a variety of sources can get the big picture pretty easily, but it sounds like you tend to dismiss anything that you don't agree with politically.

Honestly, I think it's sad that you're more upset about the media getting it wrong than trying to make things right for people who've had it pretty shitty, overall.

The media is pretty easy to tune out if you want to, and the same can be said for groups that are marginalized. It's your choice to get upset about whatever you want, but I personally am less OK with people being shat on because of their skin color.

12/24/2015 2:07:08 PM

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"Honestly, I think it's sad that you're more upset about the media getting it wrong than trying to make things right for people who've had it pretty shitty, overall. "

This is such a bullshit liberal tactic. Trying to measure what someone "cares" about more.

"You care more about the media than helping black people? I personally love black people".

This kind of bullshit from brain-dead liberals. Rather than discuss SPECIFIC problems or cases that are REAL, you are too busy trying to portray yourself as not racist, and anyone else as racist. This is why I hate liberals... and again, notice how I asked for SPECIFICS above and there is no response. This is why I think shitting on false-narratives is important. To fix a problem, you first have to be able to identify if the problem is REAL or not. Hard to make progress where we are too worried about paying lipservice to BLM and more focused on appearing "not racist" than actually fixing shit. #LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY RACIST

[Edited on December 24, 2015 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2015 2:13:48 PM

12/24/2015 2:39:23 PM

JCE2011 still hasn't acknowledged that anyone made a serious reply to the study he posted

12/24/2015 8:06:50 PM

What are the specific problems?

Also I'm not saying you're racist but claiming white privilege does not exist in 2015 in the USA makes me question your overal judgment and worldview.

I would like to know the specific problem you feel are drown out by people yelling " Racist!"

[Edited on December 24, 2015 at 8:40 PM. Reason : G]

12/24/2015 8:33:34 PM

At this point, can I at least be branded as not the biggest partisan hack on this board now? I think I've been eclipsed.

12/24/2015 9:02:33 PM

^^ that's the irony of the growing number of people who feel whites are the most oppressed group. Despite any actual evidence of this, statistical or otherwise, this belief is prevalent... Talk about false narratives and victim mentality...

12/25/2015 11:16:38 PM

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"Rather than discuss SPECIFIC problems or cases that are REAL, you are too busy trying to portray yourself as not racist...."

I honestly haven't read this thread in close detail, but from what I have read: When people post examples of cases or problems that are REAL, JCE2011 claims those are statistically insignificant; when people post statistical studies, JCE2011 claims they are not unbiased studies, either blaming the source (like Huffington Post) or blaming other variables that are not controlled in the study.

I don't want to create a straw man to attack JCE2011's position, but I am having trouble imagining a cite/study which would actually get JCE2011 to reconsider his position; I get the impression he/she has a library of defensive tactics to defend his/her position like an impenetrable shell.

12/26/2015 9:27:11 AM

We all know that cops join the force so they can beat up minorities and white privileged society has made it their goal to oppress African Americans while denying their ability to be successful in society

12/26/2015 10:58:41 AM

Cool strawman bruh.

12/26/2015 11:10:10 AM

Is HUR having a stroke and copying and pasting shit from pages ago?

12/26/2015 11:40:26 AM

Thanks brah

12/26/2015 12:04:20 PM

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"I honestly haven't read this thread in close detail, but from what I have read: When people post examples of cases or problems that are REAL, JCE2011 claims those are statistically insignificant; "

You're referring to the Islamaphobia posts, and yes that is accurate. Yes I criticize the media for covering a mosque burning over other many more churches/temples/synagogues because they only care about political leverage and narratives not actual reporting on actual events. Posters here make the mistake of acting as if I believe a mosque burning isn't a problem... it is a problem, but I think getting your panties in a bunch because it is the current political narrative being covered by the media is stupid. Muslims immigrate to America because it is a great place for them, no matter how much coverage the random isolated incident of Islamaphobia gets from the HuffingtonPost.

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"or blaming other variables that are not controlled in the study."

God forbid we consider all relevant factors.

The last specific case referenced was the death penalty, and I addressed that with my typical approach: that if you consider other RELEVANT factors, you can account for a disparity that isn't based on race.

The death penalty case is a perfect example of why this needs to be done. You see that black people are executed more and say it is racist... black people had more severe offenses. If you don't consider relevant factors like severity then you aren't producing a real study.

Separating false narratives from actual problems is important if you want to fix the actual problem, as is considering all relevant variables to tell if something really is a racist problem. Ofcourse, none of this matters to the emotional HuffPost brigade, they just want to share sob-stories in the echo-chamber for emotional validation and let everyone know how un-racist they are. It isn't about fixing problems, it's about calling other people racist and establishing the morale highground that you deem is yours. #LIBERALSIM

12/26/2015 5:38:13 PM

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"Is HUR having a stroke and copying and pasting shit from pages ago?"

He's a one trick pony.

12/26/2015 6:07:58 PM

^^ your death penalty study focused on a specific part of the death penalty processes. It's great we found out that part wasn't racist!

[Edited on December 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM. Reason : Also what are these problems we won't let you discuss?]

12/26/2015 8:29:43 PM

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"God forbid we consider all relevant factors. "

I had quite a bit typed in on this laptop, but the laptop sucks and has a mouse button that sometimes sticks without touching it, causing me to erase my post. So short version:

We should definitely consider all relevant factors, but I'm not sure all variables can be controlled in a social study (as opposed to a lab environment, though I'm far from an expert with either). My gut feeling is there are so many variables in a social study there will always be room to cast doubt due to some hidden/uncontrolled variable (I'll admit I could be wrong).

Anyway, I'm just wondering what the nature of a study would have to be before you accepted a conclusion of persistent systemic racism; I'm wondering if it's a goal that can be realisticaly met. My ultimate point is this: Given the past history of racism in America (I don't think anyone would reasonably disagree that racism existed as recently as 50 years ago), my default position continues to be that racism still exists. I'm white; I've seen lots of whites make racist comments--often enough to be convinced there are enough racists to create roadblocks in various positions, including hiring, law enforcement, and others. I'm not really trying to drop any white guilt on any one (nor am I suffering from it myself), but until I see concrete evidence that racism is extinct, I think it's still present in the ways that have been brought up here.

It seems (I could be wrong) that your default position is racism no longer exists in America. Given the recent racist past of America (and the other things I said previously) I'm just wondering what justification there is for that as default position. I could easily understand agnosticism on the existence of racism in the absence of 100% conclusive evidence, I'm just not understanding where the outright denial comes from.

(Guess my short version ended up about equally as long).

12/26/2015 11:49:56 PM

^ solid post

12/27/2015 12:01:02 AM

^squalid post :3

12/27/2015 12:02:00 AM

send the same resume out twice, one with a white name and one with a black name.

The white one will do better. Pretty easy test

12/27/2015 1:00:26 AM

"black name"

"white name"

way to be PC, brah

12/27/2015 1:13:58 AM

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"end the same resume out twice, one with a white name and one with a black na"

Luckily this is something that every parent can control by not naming their daughter LaQuasha or Mercedes and their son tyrone or Lamar. If there are two equal candidates it is human nature to have a bias for their candidate that is most like them. I believe the name bias would be similar for candidates with other non traditionally white ethic names like Kumar or Peng. Hence why many Asian families give their kid traditional English American sounding names. Leave it to the victim mentality mob to scream racism over issues like this

12/27/2015 4:53:35 PM

Tyrone and Lamar are excellent names, and they were not made up by mothers who wanted their kids to have a cool or different name.

Your attempt to take those names off the table is, sadly, indicative of your own ignorance. And, to some extent, your position helps to illustrate what these people are on about when they get going about the resumes and whatnot.


To be clear, black people do not spend their time wandering what they can do next to annoy white people. But I don't know how much bullshitty judgement they're supposed to take before it's not worth their time to give a shit about white notions of propriety.

If you told me that Tyrone and Lamar sounded "black" and were therefore undesirable names, I'd probably name my kid Hiawatha...cause that's a badass name.

12/27/2015 5:28:58 PM

It ain't racism...its human nature! Got it.

12/27/2015 6:38:45 PM

I know an Asian dude who's name is legally ABC.

12/27/2015 7:33:40 PM

I like the resume name test example, it's a good measurable indicator of bias, and something I think that could be fixed by implementing hiring methods that don't consider names.

I would agree with HUR though, I don't think it is exactly anti-black racism, simply human nature to favor names similar to your own (not that it isn't still a problem to fix). I think cultural assimilation is part of this, as we see asians are more likely to name their children "American" names.

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"It ain't racism...its human nature! Got it."

It's "majority bias" I would say, so for the context of America I would say it is a white privilege (until the hispanics become the majority). Perhaps my grandchildren can have a claim to racist victimization because they were named "Joseph" instead of "Jose"

12/27/2015 9:00:00 PM

JCE2011 is still pretending that no one replied to the study he posted

12/27/2015 9:22:06 PM

Are people with Spanish names currently discriminated against?

12/27/2015 9:54:26 PM

^^^Okay, so the problem is that you've been presented with a "measurable indicator of bias," and you agree that it's pretty good. But you're not willing to acknowledge that bias generally.

If it exists in hiring, is it really that difficult to concede that it exists elsewhere, and to a certain extent, it will impact outcomes?

Racism is apparent to everyone from all points of view and walks of life. Almost everybody can admit that it exists, and you won't lose anything by admitting it. It doesn't take away from your accomplishments and the choices you've made in your life.

And it's not like anyone expects you to cry in the shower because you are so distraught by the thought of some nameless black child who didn't get a fair shake. You just admit it's a thing and move on with whatever talking points or point of view you want to share.

12/27/2015 10:12:15 PM

JCE subscribes to "MAJORITY BIAS"

He will bring it up in 1...2....3......

12/27/2015 10:26:44 PM

If that's what he wants to call it, that's cool.

I think we're all on the same page.

12/27/2015 10:35:35 PM

For the 100th time, I've never claimed racism doesn't exist.

I criticize the bias, generally, because many "sources" exaggerate, misrepresent, and lie about things to frame them as racist and use them for political leverage at the expense of common sense. (see moron & Huffpost).

For the majority of these references you see "black people more likely to experience _____" and the source is used to "prove" something is racist despite other variables clearly indicating skin color isn't the determining factor. Nobody denies a lingering disparity of wealth wasn't caused by racism, but the people screaming about racism in 2015 are typically just ignorant misguided liberals trying to "play civil rights activist" 50 years too late.

12/28/2015 12:02:40 AM

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"Your attempt to take those names off the table is, sadly, indicative of your own ignorance. And, to some extent, your position helps to illustrate what these people are on about when they get going about the resumes and whatnot. "

Hey I think in America one should be free to name their child whatever. As a hiring manager I'd like to think my bias is only for the best candidate as should any hiring professional. The issue is that in society there are real issues with bias I.e. "why did the cop shoot the African American suspect who did not end up being armed". Unfortunately the answer to a lot of these questions on ethnic bias are more complicated then "the white privilege manager is racist" or the "cop hates black people and wants to shoot them". There are complex social dynamics, learned behaviors, habituation, and external pressures. Unfortunately bringing up some of the conversations needed to fully understand the issues at hand involve topics that not only make people uncomfortable but turns off any logical reasoning with instead people yelling racism, hater, etc for important topics that need to be discussed. Such as the whole concept of "snitches end up with stitches" that encourages disregard for law enforcement and continuation of criminal behavior. For example there is evidence that the recent Charlotte mall shooting was complex then some " thug shooting his gang rival". Instead this guy may have been reacting in defense to violence against someone close to him and was exacting justice. Instead, however, by taking justice into his hands instead of law enforcement, violence broke out in the mall and he was shot by a police officer attempting to diffuse the situation.

12/28/2015 12:02:52 AM

There's a ton of hiring bias, but if you send an email inquiring about a job, and it's riddled with horrific grammar, I'm just saying.

12/28/2015 12:19:02 AM