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"Michael Del MoroVerified account ?@MikeDelMoro Spox for Speaker Ryan says CBO report that shows increase of 32 million uninsured is meaningless because it doesn't factor in replacement."

How long are they going to be able to keep up this farce? They had nearly 8 years to produce a replacement yet we're supposed to believe one will emerge in 2 weeks? The ACA was written, debated, and negotiated over the course of a year. Every detail was publically available months before Congress voted on it. The GOP so far has nothing that could even pass a committee, let alone the Senate or House.

1/17/2017 12:14:31 PM

What is your definition of replacement? Is it an expensive, constricting federal regulatory scheme that forces Americans to participate through a series of mandates? Because if so, then you will never see a plan (hopefully).

But if you are looking for a proposal provide healthcare without squeezing the middle class, there are many proposals. But you know, congress has been in session for a couple of weeks and the president hasn't even taken office yet. So they should already have a bill drafted to congress.

1/17/2017 2:36:35 PM

Because it would have been impossible to work on some sort of draft until this current session?

1/17/2017 2:39:57 PM

^^I'd like to know how pre-existing conditions will be covered.

1/17/2017 2:49:26 PM

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"But if you are looking for a proposal provide healthcare without squeezing the middle class, there are many proposals."

i would be interested in seeing a couple that you think may get used, can you post links?

[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2017 3:09:49 PM

^https://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-PolicyPaper.pdf

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"^^I'd like to know how pre-existing conditions will be covered."

Trump has said that he would like to keep some of the more popular parts of ACA, so I would assume this would be included.

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"Every detail was publically available months before Congress voted on it."

Come on man. The passing of ACA gave us one of the best quotes ever. How could you forget this gem?

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"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 3:15 PM. Reason : 1]

[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 3:22 PM. Reason : Not exactly as transparent as you seem to indicate above.]

1/17/2017 3:12:58 PM

i think his point is how do you include pre-existing coverage without a mandate?

1/17/2017 3:17:17 PM

^Yes, that's exactly my point. I'm not at all reassured by Trump's claims of covering pre-existing conditions. I want to know HOW.

1/17/2017 3:20:47 PM

IDK. I guess we have to pass the bill so you can find out whats in it.


J/K. I haven't read how pre-existing conditions will be covered. Cant help you there.

1/17/2017 3:24:41 PM

the GOP plan linked doesn't explain it, they have coverage for pre-existing conditions and also open enrollment so i guess just wait till you're sick

1/17/2017 3:42:03 PM

So if pre-existing conditions are covered without a mandate, what will stop people from simply opting out of coverage until they get sick?

And if the proposal is that those with pre-existing conditions simply lose their eligibility if they do not maintain continuous coverage (a de facto mandate, not a de jure mandate), what about those that lose their coverage simply due to unemployment (or other factors)?

I mean, you may have a pre-existing condition with the intention of maintaining continuous coverage, then you lose your job and hence your insurance. Are you shit out of luck for the rest of your life?

1/17/2017 4:59:31 PM

lol, he said his first day will be Monday because he doesn't want to mess up signing something while busy celebrating

1/17/2017 8:45:06 PM

^ don't worry, he's got a Designated Commander In Chief, so we're good.

1/17/2017 9:41:39 PM

I don't claim to know a whole lot about the healthcare system or obamacare, but I don't see how they can keep coverage for pre existing conditions and get everyones rates back down. The excuse from all the insurance companies, at least for the massive jumps in premiums, has been that the cost of covering all the people with pre existing conditions they were forced to insure was way more than even they expected. Whether thats true or not I dont really know. I know my rates went up by something stupid like 75% last year. Luckily this year they fell more in line with an expected increase.

1/18/2017 8:43:56 AM

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"President-elect Trump tells @ktumulty he wants the military to march on Pennsylvania Ave to show American greatness"

Did he learn everything about politics from history channel docs about Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini?

[Edited on January 18, 2017 at 11:00 AM. Reason : Projection of power is important to baby boys with insecurity and small hands]

1/18/2017 10:58:14 AM

great use of tax dollars.

1/18/2017 12:00:10 PM

I don't care about that. It's more the fact that the only leaders who have ever really felt the need to do that have similar personalities. Not that I think Trump has that same trait but the fact he believes that is a way to project power and greatness is pretty pathetic.

I'm sure some will eat it up though.

1/18/2017 12:04:51 PM

Has there ever been a time in the history of America where we have had a military type march similar to what is described above? I dont recall ever seeing one in my lifetime, but did this ever occur during WW1 or 2?

1/18/2017 12:55:51 PM

I can't believe that we have a president who actually tweets that NBC and CNN are fake news. I don't always agree with either outlets, but Jesus Christ, does he realize how childish this all seems?

1/18/2017 1:00:30 PM

lol, you republicans literally elected hitler

1/18/2017 1:34:23 PM

better than having a Clinton in the White House, AMIRITE GUIYZ

1/18/2017 1:51:12 PM

^^The republicans voted for him. America elected him. This is on all of us.

1/18/2017 3:48:54 PM

nah, i tried to get sanders nominated

1/18/2017 3:58:46 PM

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"does he realize how childish this all seems?"

pretty sure the answer to that is no.

1/18/2017 4:10:22 PM

I think you'll find many republicans who agree that Trump is not their president.

1/18/2017 9:35:36 PM

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"President-elect Trump tells @ktumulty he wants the military to march on Pennsylvania Ave to show American greatness"

Let's see...this, along with his tweets about revoking citizenship for flag burning.....

Hey, is Vegas taking bets on how long it takes before he orders troops to shoot protesters?


I always wondered what it would be like to be disappeared and gunned down in the back of a football stadium...or assigned hard labor at a reeducation camp.

I'm sure everything will be just fine, though.

1/18/2017 9:58:43 PM

Oooooh! Maybe we could spray-paint the windows of people who disagree with him, too, just for good measure!

1/18/2017 10:05:05 PM

But that only identifies them at home, you have to identify them in public too

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" I think you'll find many republicans who agree that Trump is not their president."

Well Republican turnout was pretty consistent, you idiots still showed up at the polls to elect this man after showing up to nominate him.



[Edited on January 19, 2017 at 6:13 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2017 6:11:29 AM

^ there were prob more anti hillary votes than pro trump votes

[Edited on January 19, 2017 at 7:18 AM. Reason : made up stat ]

1/19/2017 7:18:35 AM

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"Hey, is Vegas taking bets on how long it takes before he orders troops to shoot protesters? I always wondered what it would be like to be disappeared and gunned down in the back of a football stadium...or assigned hard labor at a reeducation camp. I'm sure everything will be just fine, though."

Keep up this rhetoric. Se how it works out for you.

1/19/2017 8:33:20 AM

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"^ there were prob more anti hillary votes than pro trump votes"

those are still votes for hitler

you still voted for hitler you utter moron

you don't get to elect hitler and then pretend like you didn't elect him

[Edited on January 19, 2017 at 9:03 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2017 9:03:08 AM

^^ if calling him out for wanting to do things that he has seen in WWII and Cokd War Soviet Union documentaries and movies makes him stronger than that reflects more poorly on the idiots conned by him then on me.

For what it's worth I don't think he is actually an authoritarian because I don't believe he actually is smart enough to have real opinions. He sees stuff on shows and documentaries and is attracted to it. The fact that people think he wants to help them and that this isn't all one big ego stroke kind of makes me laugh and want to cry at the same time.

1/19/2017 9:09:58 AM

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"Keep up this rhetoric. Se how it works out for you."

What, are you going to kill me or something?

1/19/2017 11:18:02 AM

Does the VP still believe in shock conversion therapy? Just wondering.

Though I guess Trump deserves some credit for running down the clock and officially becoming the least transparent candidate in recent American political history. So, good for him I guess.

[Edited on January 19, 2017 at 12:04 PM. Reason : X]

1/19/2017 12:01:07 PM

Creating jobs for SJW paid-protestors before he is even sworn in. +1 Credibility

1/19/2017 12:20:21 PM

1/19/2017 12:23:02 PM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/17/tucker-carlson-slams-hoax-protester-group-dom-tullipso-demand-protests-manning

[Edited on January 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM. Reason : no reason]

1/19/2017 1:01:19 PM

^Pretty hilarious

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"What, are you going to kill me or something?"

You seriously need to step back and take a deep breath if you genuinely think this is a solution.

1/19/2017 1:11:04 PM

^I wouldn't bet that we're heading to that, but the similarities and parallels are there.

Some of things he's saying and proposing are next-level scary. No reason not to point it out.

1/19/2017 1:17:16 PM

It wouldn't be the first time leftists payed for protests.

I can't wait to see how the media spins leftist violence as "Trump supporters causing violence" again. Maybe some more hoaxes? Paid "bird-doggers" again? Maybe another burnt black church with "TRUMP" painted on it? Should be entertaining...

MUH NARRATIVE!!!

1/19/2017 2:18:54 PM

1/19/2017 2:20:25 PM

Bullet are you going to protest #NotYourPresident's inauguration?

I for one, strongly feel that ____ism and ____phobia have no place in America, so naturally you can understand how triggered I am that the media keeps telling me #LiterallyHitler is about to be sworn in

1/19/2017 2:33:20 PM

I haven't heard much about this, but:

"Counter-Sting Catches James O’Keefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trump’s Inauguration"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/counter-sting-catches-james-okeefe-network-attempting-to-sow-chaos-at-trumps-inauguration_us_5873e26fe4b043ad97e516f7

1/19/2017 2:39:26 PM

^lol, Right?

Where is your rant on O'keefe JCE???

Its just another textbook example of whatever conservatives are currently accusing liberals of, they are probably 10x as guilty of doing the exact same thing.

1/19/2017 3:00:15 PM

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"I wouldn't bet that we're heading to that, but the similarities and parallels are there."

They're already setting the legal framework for vigilante violence to be meted out by supporters. This is the "stand your ground" equivalent for the 1st Amendment.

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"In North Dakota, the author of the bill that would permit the killing of protestors has linked his legislation directly to anti-pipeline activists’ successful protests that involved obstructing roadways. Although the bill ostensibly requires drivers to have acted “negligently” or accidentally in killing a protestor, the bill’s co-sponsor, Republican state Rep. Keith Kempenich, has said that some accidents might occur if motorists “punched the accelerator rather than the brakes,” according to the Bismarck Tribune."

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/republican-lawmakers-in-five-states-propose-bills-to-criminalize-peaceful-protest/

1/19/2017 3:12:02 PM

LOL The HuffingtonPost and the YoungTurks. Funny I don't seem to remember them doing much coverage of Scott Foval

1/19/2017 5:24:04 PM

1/19/2017 5:36:44 PM

The day is here.

I hope the weight of the position changes him and he becomes more transparent, less authoritarian, unwinds his potential conflicts of interests and really does try to help people and not just himself.

But I have little belief he will do any of that.

1/20/2017 8:22:40 AM

So should we start the guessing on how long until he is impeached or steps down?

1/20/2017 8:46:04 AM

Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&referer=https://t.co/1XN6l90G1B


Trump will have a way to shut this whole thing down though

1/20/2017 9:17:22 AM