Quote :

"PokerStars Game #17886557250: Tournament #90719172, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/06/03 - 11:17:51 (ET) Table '90719172 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 3: britta23 (5321 in chips) Seat 6: blance (3850 in chips) Seat 7: bcscb (2934 in chips) Seat 8: 5Pokerfelix5 (1395 in chips) bcscb: posts small blind 100 5Pokerfelix5: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bcscb [Kc Ks] britta23: folds blance: raises 3650 to 3850 and is all-in bcscb: calls 2834 and is all-in 5Pokerfelix5: folds Uncalled bet (916) returned to blance *** FLOP *** [4h 9s As] *** TURN *** [4h 9s As] [7c] *** RIVER *** [4h 9s As 7c] [Qh] *** SHOW DOWN *** bcscb: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings) blance: shows [8c Ah] (a pair of Aces) blance collected 6068 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 6068 | Rake 0 Board [4h 9s As 7c Qh] Seat 3: britta23 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: blance (button) showed [8c Ah] and won (6068) with a pair of Aces Seat 7: bcscb (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 8: 5Pokerfelix5 (big blind) folded before Flop "

could anyone have folded there.

For some reason I thought the log would indicate the bubble situation. I guess I can clarify that I knew it was a semi-bluff with Ax at least and I guess intended to put pressure on the extreme short stack and myself. I was asking if you fold there to protect tournament life and money or just go on the fact that 72% of the time you've just doubled up and you're going to take down first.

sry for the confusion.

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 11:28:13 AM

Quote :

"i think pre-flop you did the right thing, if that's what you're asking. the other dude got pretty lucky with the flop. i think most can agree that the all-in on his part wasn't the smartest move"

6/3/2008 11:29:35 AM

Quote :

"Yeah, next thing you know they'll be having sex before marriage and committing other such sins."

It just ain't right.

6/3/2008 1:11:22 PM

Quote :

"are you being serious"

6/3/2008 1:23:34 PM

The quality of this thread is reaching Intellipoker level

Please help david, noidroid, etc..

6/3/2008 1:36:05 PM

try not to be so pretentious.

6/3/2008 1:40:04 PM

here's some less donkish material:

my end of may blog entry -
http://tinyurl.com/4d9b3s

6/3/2008 1:41:26 PM

I was up late last night and watched Mike Matusow (sp?) fold a called hand on Poker After Dark, THAT HE WAS LEADING. He was bitching about those money stacks they do, claiming he thought the call was a raise based on the amount of cash in the stack. The pot was huge, too. He had pocket 9s to the other guys highcard paired 8 on the board. Hilarity ensued when he realized what he did...

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM. Reason : k]

6/3/2008 1:47:28 PM

Quote :

"The quality of this thread is reaching Intellipoker level Please help david, noidroid, etc.."

What what do you need help?

6/3/2008 1:51:03 PM

Nah

Just saying some of these last HH's and questions have been less than stellar.

That's sick volume moe, how many tables at once?

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 1:53:33 PM

FR - 16
6max - 8 to 10

6/3/2008 2:02:31 PM

Damn

6/3/2008 2:05:14 PM

Quote :

"Just saying some of these last HH's and questions have been less than stellar."

Don't ask if you should fold Kings in a single raised pot and expect a serious response.

6/3/2008 2:10:39 PM

16+ FR tables is actually really easy to do. You just have to overlap them or cascade and when it is your turn they will just pop up at your and you make a quick decision.

6/3/2008 2:10:57 PM

Quote :

"Don't ask if you should fold Kings in a single raised pot and expect a serious response."

Werd up.



I remember trying to load up as many .01/.02 full rings as I could once in the library for the hell of it. I think I only got to 12 and it was just one big headache to me lol

6/3/2008 2:14:28 PM

Quote :

"16+ FR tables is actually really easy to do. You just have to overlap them or cascade and when it is your turn they will just pop up at your and you make a quick decision."

I had a misclick or 2 back in my day. Much better with dual display now.

6/3/2008 2:16:15 PM

I use the dual display for 8 tables...

I've actually not misclicked much. It will wait until you make a decision until it pops the next one up at you.

6/3/2008 2:22:41 PM

eh, you do realize I called right? I was merely asking when it becomes ok to lay them down with respect to tournament life and waiting for a small(er) stack to go out. Obviously if he doesn't hit there I go on to win the tournament, but who is to say I don't risk my stack and the short stack calls with 56s. I'm now in the money and start pushing all in with any marginal hand, build a stack and take it down just as well. Regardless it looks like it's back to me being a recluse and too scared to ever post a history.

6/3/2008 2:58:18 PM

Quote :

"I was merely asking when it becomes ok to lay them down with respect to tournament life and waiting for a small(er) stack to go out."

You should fold until you get aces.

6/3/2008 3:01:06 PM

or 10,2s

6/3/2008 3:01:34 PM

Scratch that, aces could get cracked. Just keep folding regardless.

6/3/2008 3:02:40 PM

Yes, As can get cracked. As this dude knows...

PokerStars Game #17890713031: Tournament #90742755, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/06/03 - 14:56:08 (ET)
Table '90742755 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DevilAge1 (1395 in chips)
Seat 2: ulider (1050 in chips)
Seat 3: Gebaum (1910 in chips)
Seat 4: PixieGirl219 (3135 in chips)
Seat 5: ACE731978 (2250 in chips)
Seat 7: Scrumples (1285 in chips)
Seat 8: 1-out-mike (1380 in chips)
Seat 9: krizh1985 (1095 in chips)
ulider: posts small blind 25
Gebaum: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Scrumples [Js Qd]
PixieGirl219: folds
ACE731978: folds
Scrumples: raises 100 to 150
1-out-mike: folds
krizh1985: folds
DevilAge1: folds
ulider: folds
Gebaum: raises 200 to 350
Scrumples: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [9d Qh Jc]
Gebaum: bets 450
Scrumples: raises 485 to 935 and is all-in
Gebaum: calls 485
*** TURN *** [9d Qh Jc] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [9d Qh Jc Tc] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Gebaum: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Scrumples: shows [Js Qd] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Scrumples collected 2595 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2595 | Rake 0
Board [9d Qh Jc Tc 2h]
Seat 1: DevilAge1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ulider (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Gebaum (big blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: PixieGirl219 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ACE731978 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Scrumples showed [Js Qd] and won (2595) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: 1-out-mike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: krizh1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

6/3/2008 3:04:38 PM

Do you play $1 tournaments all day scrumples?

6/3/2008 3:07:23 PM

hahaha. i'm not a gamblin' man, that's for sure.

plus, I told you. i'm playing with the $5 they gave me to entice me to make a deposit. And I prefer SNGs and MTTs to cash games and there's not a lot I can do for a while until I build this up I guess...

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 3:13 PM. Reason : g]

6/3/2008 3:08:57 PM

Quote :

"I use the dual display for 8 tables... I've actually not misclicked much. It will wait until you make a decision until it pops the next one up at you."

I'm still getting used to my dual display for 8-tablng.. I'm so used to 6-tabling with overlap that it feels weird keeping track of 40" horizontally. So far I've accidently folded KK preflop and yesterday I misread my hand at a glance and shoved drawing ~dead:

POKERSTARS GAME #17877310459: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2008/06/02 - 22:20:52 (ET)
Table 'Plaut III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: noidroid ($53.75 in chips)
Seat 2: romanli ($264.80 in chips)
Seat 3: boonwatt ($228.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Nuke11 ($107.45 in chips)
Seat 5: lawc77 ($65.10 in chips)
Seat 6: mbl62000 ($226.95 in chips)
romanli: posts small blind $1
boonwatt: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [Ks Tc]
Nuke11: folds
lawc77: folds
mbl62000: folds
noidroid: raises $4 to $6
romanli: calls $5
boonwatt: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5s 6c]
romanli: checks
noidroid: bets $9
romanli: raises $23 to $32
noidroid: raises $15.75 to $47.75 and is all-in
romanli: calls $15.75
*** TURN *** [Jc 5s 6c] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 5s 6c 3d] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
romanli: shows [Jh Kc] (a pair of Jacks)
noidroid: mucks hand
romanli collected $106.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $109.50 | Rake $3
Board [Jc 5s 6c 3d Ac]
Seat 1: noidroid (button) mucked [Ks Tc]
Seat 2: romanli (small blind) showed [Jh Kc] and won ($106.50) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: boonwatt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Nuke11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lawc77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mbl62000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I thought I had KcTc.. oops


Once the river hit I unclicked my auto post button cause I thought I had the nuts. Auto reload happened while I was looking away then the next hand when I folded I noticed that I only had $40 and was very confused.




[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 3:23:31 PM

I thought you used those stupid looking 4 color cards?

6/3/2008 3:34:41 PM

I am the wiener. Ohhhh yeah, 4 dollars and 50 cents.

IN THE BIGTIME.

6/3/2008 3:39:28 PM

Let's see...maybe this is relevant question here...

I have pocket 10s, early position, raise 3x blind. I get one call from this really aggressive (stupid) player (and I expected him to call; he was raising nearly every hand and I KNOW he couldn't be catching that many cards with the bets he was risking).

Anyway, everybody else folds and the flop comes 3 7 4 (3 suits). Naturally, dickhead bets and goes 2/3 the pot. I re-raise minimum and he calls. Turn comes a J. And he checks on it...

Okay, what do THE PROS here do in this situation when an overcard comes? I know I probably did the wrong thing (with very good results, fortunately), so what is the right thing to do?

Oh, and it turns out he was betting and calling up this point on a fucking runner runner straight draw, so that's a whole 'nother story.

6/4/2008 12:16:35 AM

Min reraise is mistake 1.

Also chip staking makes a big difference here..
What are blinds?
What is your stack?
What is his stack?

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM. Reason : duh]

6/4/2008 12:46:09 AM

Quote :

"With 39 players remaining in the $5k MHE event, Jon “PearlJammer” Turner pushed all in on the button with AQ. His chick slick couldn’t catch up against AA and Turner busted in 38th, just before the bubble."

gg pj

6/4/2008 8:33:59 AM

Quote :

"Okay, what do THE PROS here do in this situation when an overcard comes?"

I'll humor you guys with a quality response for once.

The jack is a good card to come up. Keep betting. Here are the cards you need to worry about.

A: guy called with weak ace, hit the flop and now has two pair
3 or 4 or 7: guy got a piece of the flop and now has trips
6 or 8: guy called with 67 or 68 suited and now has two pair
5 or 6: guy called with a weak ace and his inside straight just hit

Also, as dman said, the min reraise is crap. He has to call two ninths of the pot to see a turn card. Not bad odds, especially if he has an over and the flop helped him in any way.

6/4/2008 8:42:07 AM

Listening to his podcasts now. Good stuff.

"I could easily make it by waiting at this point"

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM. Reason : damn AQ]

6/4/2008 9:10:48 AM

The bottom line is I really, really don't know how to deal with agressive players in hands I'm needing to play in.

In fact, I got sucked out on in one of the worst ways possible tonight in one of those SNGs. I was on the button with A9s, was raised by some moron way out of position to 120 on 10/20 blinds, nobody called up to me, so I made the call (heads up hand now). 998 (2 suits) came. What was his move? All in. What did he have? 2,7s. He had the spade draw, but guess what came out? 5,6 no spade.

My keyboard is kinda messed up now.

If he'd had an 8,9 or something I'd be fine with it and in retrospect be pissed at myself for not seeing that, despite watching how this dude played many other hands with ragedy looking boards. But if I can't make that call, I don't know what I can make...

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM. Reason : got my hands confused somehow...]

6/4/2008 8:46:16 PM

did he stop, drop and then go HAMMERTIME in chat

6/4/2008 9:33:02 PM

Home game tournament tonight, 10 dollar rebuy:

At the final table, 7 handed, 3 paying...

Stack - 1200
Blinds - 60/125 ante 10

In the BB w/ 66, UTG who appears to be fairly tight/agg makes its 400 to go, folds to me.

Push, stop and go, or fold?

Also, my image is tight as balls, with some people (including villain I think) knowing i'm play alot/well.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2008 12:29:00 AM

fold.. play better?

6/5/2008 2:13:28 AM

I think fold is the play as well, but w/ stacking i'm questionable about the line.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 2:26 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2008 2:25:56 AM

other shortstacks do shit like this over and over again...

POKERSTARS GAME #17925961768: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2008/06/05 - 02:26:51 (ET)
Table 'Elsa' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: NutPopper ($43 in chips)
Seat 3: noidroid ($37 in chips)
Seat 4: hoopin247 ($251 in chips)
Seat 5: PEAKACHOO ($197 in chips)
Seat 6: Rubadubducky ($205 in chips)
NutPopper: posts small blind $1
noidroid: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [4h Ac]
Hubs joins the table at seat #2
hoopin247: folds
PEAKACHOO: folds
Rubadubducky: folds
hoopin247 leaves the table
NutPopper: raises $41 to $43 and is all-in
noidroid: calls $35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6) returned to NutPopper
*** FLOP *** [7d 8c 2s]
*** TURN *** [7d 8c 2s] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [7d 8c 2s Th] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NutPopper: shows [5d 9c] (a pair of Sevens)
noidroid: shows [4h Ac] (a pair of Sevens - Ace kicker)
noidroid collected $72 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $74 | Rake $2
Board [7d 8c 2s Th 7h]
Seat 1: NutPopper (small blind) showed [5d 9c] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: noidroid (big blind) showed [4h Ac] and won ($72) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: hoopin247 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: PEAKACHOO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rubadubducky (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


POKERSTARS GAME #17925971426: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2008/06/05 - 02:27:47 (ET)
Table 'Elsa' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: NutPopper ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 3: noidroid ($71 in chips)
Seat 5: PEAKACHOO ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: Rubadubducky ($200 in chips)
Rubadubducky: posts small blind $1
NutPopper: posts big blind $2
Hubs: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [7c Ks]
noidroid said, "derpa derpa nerpa"
noidroid: folds
PEAKACHOO: folds
Rubadubducky: raises $4 to $6
NutPopper: raises $8.25 to $14.25 and is all-in
Rubadubducky: calls $8.25
*** FLOP *** [9h 2s 8h]
gracz#1 joins the table at seat #4
*** TURN *** [9h 2s 8h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [9h 2s 8h 3c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rubadubducky: shows [Td Tc] (a pair of Tens)
NutPopper: shows [Ts Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
NutPopper collected $27.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28.50 | Rake $1.40
Board [9h 2s 8h 3c Js]
Seat 1: NutPopper (big blind) showed [Ts Qs] and won ($27.10) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: noidroid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: PEAKACHOO (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rubadubducky (small blind) showed [Td Tc] and lost with a pair of Tens


I think this is why I get way more action shortstacking 200NL than I deserve.. all of my competition is RETARDED

6/5/2008 2:36:54 AM

Dunno if anyone has seen this thread on 2p2:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=212302

It's dumb pics of pros "if they weren't poker pros"...and it's probably the funniest shit i've looked at in a while, heres two funny ones:

6/5/2008 5:02:04 AM

Quote :

"Push, stop and go, or fold?"

push

6/5/2008 8:55:24 AM

See I have 2 ways of thinking about that decision to push or fold. 1st being my table image, 2nd neglecting my table image.

I ran some numbers in Pokerstove just for kicks, showing both what my perceived range and actual range for a push there would be and found 2 pretty similar results..

Note: both of these calculations were compared to my preflop raising range of the villian... 22+,A8s+,KTs+,QJs,A9o+,KJo+,QJo

Range 1 - My table image vs. his preflop raising range - Tight - TT+,AQs+,AQo+
Hand 0: 63.523% 61.57% 01.95% 11733895496 372354910.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 36.477% 34.52% 01.95% 6579338204 372354910.00 { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+, QJo }

Range 2 - My actual looser range for the push (55+,ATs+,ATo+) vs. his preflop raising range
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.367% 54.40% 01.97% 21502649660 777261624.00 { 55+, ATs+, ATo+ }
Hand 1: 43.633% 41.67% 01.97% 16469652628 777261624.00 { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+, QJo }


Going on these numbers, given that the villain sees my table image as what I see it as. Unless he has a monster (which he may very well have), perhaps a push isn't a bad move.


And just for reference...I did push...he tanked....and call w/ 99...and it held.

6/5/2008 3:31:08 PM

What's the link for the site to do that?

6/5/2008 4:54:43 PM

http://www.pokerstove.com/

It's a pretty handy little program.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : /]

6/5/2008 5:02:11 PM

Quote :

"The bottom line is I really, really don't know how to deal with agressive players in hands I'm needing to play in. "

Well, this isn't an easy thing to learn...it just takes patience and persistance. A few bad beats and it gets in your head. You aren't alone, bombs or hyper aggressive players give me the most trouble honeslty. Dan Harrington has three really good books for tournament play. They're well worth the money spent and the time reading them.

6/5/2008 5:17:38 PM

I've never used the tool. What do all those #s above mean?

6/5/2008 5:41:54 PM

Sorry, yeah I guess it would help to explain what the hell those mean.

Going from left to right:

Equity, %Win, %Tie, #Pots Won in Calculating, #Pots Tied in Calculating

The latter 2 calculations mean very little to me compared to my equity in the hand and the % of the time my hand or hand range will hold up to another hand range.

6/5/2008 7:12:25 PM

If there are no purists here then Tournament Indicator is probably the best calculator out now.

6/5/2008 7:22:43 PM

wtf is hand 0 and hand 1

6/5/2008 9:10:18 PM

The hand or hand range that follows along with that row, which is bracketed.

6/5/2008 10:49:04 PM

*sigh*

It was down to 2 and I lost with pocket jacks. he had 8K and got 2 8's on the flop ftw

6/5/2008 10:50:13 PM