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"If he gets into the NCAA on the back of T. Smith and 3 freshman that is a pretty impressive accomplishment"

We have some of the best talent in the entire nation, what the hell are you talking about?

Julius Hodge said it, and you know how how you like to quote Julius Hodge.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 10:48 AM. Reason : new page, add quote for context]

1/14/2011 10:47:56 AM

9-7 with a couple tourney wins definitely gets us in though

1/14/2011 10:48:47 AM

^^ Julius also said that when he and Bethel were here we had the "best back court in the nation". He is prone to hyperbole when describing NCSU's talent.

1/14/2011 10:50:12 AM

Well we're probably the 3rd most talented team in the ACC and our best player is a senior.

edit: one could argue we're 2nd ahead of UNC in talent, i think it's pretty close

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 10:56 AM. Reason : add my damn edit in there]

1/14/2011 10:54:01 AM

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"^^ Julius also said that when he and Bethel were here we had the "best back court in the nation". He is prone to hyperbole when describing NCSU's talent coach"

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"[quote]They have 5 star talent at every position and can bring mcdonalds all americans in off the bench"

Facepalm. Guys like Drew would not be an All-American if they committed to Clemson.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM. Reason : talent gap isn't that big and you know it. ]

1/14/2011 11:14:02 AM

One could argue we are ahead of UNC but one could also be very fucking retarded if they did. They have 5 star talent at every position and can bring mcdonalds all americans in off the bench. I can understand why you would be pissed off if you actually believed the idiocy you spout. Looking at the scouting ranks FSU could even be argued as being more talented than we are and their high level talent is certainly more experienced.

^Larry Drew was actually a 4 star recruit according to Scout but don't let actually information get in the way of your insane rants.


[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason : asdfasdf]

1/14/2011 11:14:10 AM

And he was still a McDonald's AA. My point exactly. Just like Kendall Marshall was one as well.

Don't be naive, going to Duke or UNC instantly makes your rank inflated.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM. Reason : insane rants like calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a fucking retard or idiotic?]

1/14/2011 11:26:48 AM

However to argue that NCSU has more talent on their roster is INSANE/ RETARDED. We have a 3 star sophomore who plays almost the entire game for us. UNC probably doesn't have a scholarship player that had less than 4 stars. But oh yeah we are more talented Fucking idiots.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:30 AM. Reason : asdfd]

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM. Reason : asdf]

1/14/2011 11:29:54 AM

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"which is one of the reasons why the NBA thinks so highly of him. "

I see this thrown around every now and then...where exactly does it come from?

1/14/2011 11:34:44 AM

Woah, please refrain from personal attacks on me, adder. I am a fragile Milkboner.

UNC's players definitely benefited from committing to the name UNC, no doubt about it.

Now for a quick exercise. Who do you want on your team?

Tracy Smith or Tyler Zeller?
Larry Drew/Kendall Marshall (sp?) or Ryan Harrow/Javi Gonz. (oops, Javi is ruining my argument although he's clearly the best choice ever to come in and close out games, right adder?)
CJ Leslie or Harrison Barnes? CJL is playing better than Barnes right now.
Scott "gimme" Wood or Leslie McDonald?

I'll be the first to admit I don't know UNC lineup as well as I should be to be making this argument, but the eyeball test says we're about equally talented. I don't think it is "fucking retarded" or that I'm a "fucking idiot" to say they aren't leaps and bounds above us in talent at this point.

Edit: Even if UNC is the Miami Heat like adder thinks, we're 3rd most talented in the ACC.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason : []

1/14/2011 11:35:07 AM

Point remains we have more talent than anyone outside of Duke/UNC. And again their "talent" is highly rated because of the name on the jersey. I don't think it's insane to think our players are just as good as UNC's. Last year we fully expected to compete and beat UNC. You guys love to argue experience when UNC is younger than we are. They have 1 scholarship senior (Justin Knox, role player) and we start 2.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason : Larry Drew/Kendall Marshall are better than Scott Wood they were 4 stars! lmfao]

1/14/2011 11:37:59 AM

Biggest difference in talent between NC State, Duke, and UNC is the experience of the talent.

Duke: Smith & Singler are seniors. One of the Plumlees is a junior, Dawkins, Curry, Kelly and the other Plumlee are all Sophomores. Irving was the only Freshman seeing significant time (preinjury of course) Average experience per Kenpom: 1.6 years (221st)

UNC: Zeller and Drew are Juniors. Henson, McDonald, and Strickland are sophomores. Barnes, Bullock, and Marshall are all freshmen. Experience: 1.2 years (305th)

NC State: Tracy Smith is a senior. Harrow, Leslie, and Brown are all freshmen. You could argue that Wood and Howell should be mentioned, but to the average person in the ACC it's just those 4. Experience: .98 years (328th)

1/14/2011 11:44:22 AM

Actually if you look at Scout rankings FSU has virtually the same level of talent as we do and significantly more experience. Correct me if I am wrong but we have 2 4*(Brown and Smith) and 2 5* (Leslie and Harrow)
FSU has Singleton and Snaer (both five stars) and Kitchen and Shannon (both 4 stars).

But OMG WE HAVE THE MOST TALENT EVER ASSEMBLED IN THE ACC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/14/2011 11:48:31 AM

Experience > Talent

1/14/2011 11:49:12 AM

Our best player is a senior. Brown got a year of experience at Hargrave (not ACC play, but still an additional year mature).

When will be able to accurately make an assessment of Lowe's coaching abilities? When we have a roster full of 5 stars who are all seniors and nobody gets hurt and we play in another down year in the ACC? Then will it be fair to judge his credibility?

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 11:56 AM. Reason : []]

1/14/2011 11:49:42 AM

lets send all of our players to Hargrave! that way they come out mature and experienced.

1/14/2011 11:51:34 AM

^^ We are at the level of FSU talent wise and have significantly less experience yet we were supposed to be a definite lock for the NCAA's? Sound a little over hyped to you?

1/14/2011 11:56:24 AM

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"Actually if you look at Scout rankings FSU has virtually the same level of talent as we do and significantly more experience. Correct me if I am wrong but we have 2 4*(Brown and Smith) and 2 5* (Leslie and Harrow) FSU has Singleton and Snaer (both five stars) and Kitchen and Shannon (both 4 stars). "

We have 3 5* (Brown, Leslie, Harrow), 3 4* (Howell, Smith, Painter), 3 3* (Williams, Javi, Wood), 1* (JV)

Of that Williams was a 4 star before missing AAU due to a back injury, and Painter was a 5 star at one point, and dropped to a 3 star on one of the recruiting sites. I believe Wood was ranked one spot outside of a 4 star on scout.

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"Our best player is a senior. Brown got a year of experience at Hargrave (not ACC play, but still an additional year mature). "

I know you're trolling but our best player behind a senior doesn't mean anything when 5 people play the game at a time and arguably 6 of our top 7 players are freshmen and sophomores.

1/14/2011 12:06:10 PM

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"Correct me if I am wrong but we have 2 4*(Brown and Smith) and 2 5* (Leslie and Harrow) "

You're wrong again. Painter and Howell were both 4*s.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:07 PM. Reason : funny how BigEgo left senior Javi out of his "experience" ranks]

1/14/2011 12:06:18 PM

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"We are at the level of FSU talent wise and have significantly less experience yet we were supposed to be a definite lock for the NCAA's? Sound a little over hyped to you?"

I guess you're right. Having the #5 recruiting class in the nation to go along with our ALL ACC senior and best player, along with an extremely dangerous 3 point sniper and over all great basketball player Scott Wood, and several capable roll players (CJW, Howell, Painter) is a bit over hyped. No way in hell we should be a lock to make a field of 68 tournament.



[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:07 PM. Reason : []

1/14/2011 12:06:23 PM

did you boldface that part about Smith to emphasize how he didn't play in our 4 OOC losses? Losses that could easily make or break our tournament chances?

1/14/2011 12:07:27 PM

Remind me, did the center piece of our offense play at Boston College? Yet another ACC loss.

And no, I bolded it because we should be on cruise control to the NCAA's with a capable coaching staff.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason : []

1/14/2011 12:09:03 PM

ITT I learned that 2 juniors starting with a sophomore and 2 freshmen is more experienced than 2 seniors starting with a sophomore and 2 freshmen.

1/14/2011 12:09:40 PM

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"Yet another ACC loss"

Another? What was the first?

1/14/2011 12:10:20 PM

Look, I think we can all agree that Javi doesn't count

1/14/2011 12:11:04 PM

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"funny how BigEgo left senior Javi out of his "experience" ranks"

Because he's a terrible player. The players I included were talented players worth noting, but you're too busy being a negative nancy to look for logical reasons why someone would list certain players. I didn't actually have to rank the experience, kenpom did it for me.

1/14/2011 12:11:28 PM

LOL Javi has more minutes played than anyone on NCSU and is one of the leaders in the ACC but he doesn't count as experience. I am learning a bunch!

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ^And yet Javi still fucking starts and plays half the game even though he is "terrible"]

1/14/2011 12:12:01 PM

I don't recall the first, but it's just the latest added to the L column in the 21-45 ACC record he owns.

1/14/2011 12:12:12 PM

Actually we have 1 ACC loss with our ALL ACC senior and best player

In fact we have one loss period with our ALL ACC senior and best player

1/14/2011 12:13:13 PM

OhBoyeeeee strikes again!!!!!!

1/14/2011 12:13:16 PM

lol I'm not saying he doesn't count as experienced, kenpom factors in everyone that plays. he just sucks so when I'm making an argument about Duke and UNC's talent (key word: talent) being more experienced than ours, and how that can make a difference, I won't include a guy that no one in the ACC thinks is a very good player nor has the potential to be on a game in game out basis.

1/14/2011 12:13:53 PM

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"one of the leaders in the ACC "

lol, you're certainly making up a lot of stuff

1/14/2011 12:13:59 PM

In minutes played dumbfuck.

Go back to Chit Chat you have expressed many times you don't know sports.

1/14/2011 12:15:48 PM

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"Because he's a terrible player. The players I included were talented players worth noting, but you're too busy being a negative nancy to look for logical reasons why someone would list certain players."

lol you can't just throw out pertinent information because it doesn't help your argument. He's played on this team for 4 years

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/14/2011 12:15:58 PM

When Harrow is our starting PG in a few games and Javi is coming off the bench, Javi's countless shitty minutes won't factor into the equation

as a senior, Evtimov should've been as good as 3 sophomores combined!

1/14/2011 12:17:17 PM

Javi over Harrow reminds me of McInnis over Felton

1/14/2011 12:18:24 PM

Foster over Deangelo

1/14/2011 12:18:53 PM

I only go on what you type Packboozie. Like I said earlier, you should go learn how to effectively express yourself before you come in here making dumb statements about subjects we've already discussed. Javi is not that good, I think we can ignore him at this point while we're talking about talent AND experience.

1/14/2011 12:20:28 PM

Davis over Foster

1/14/2011 12:20:32 PM

milkboner, go troll someone else because you obviously can't understand what i'm talking about.

I listed major contributers that most people in the ACC would agree are "talented" and/or are playing well. I then pulled a stat from kenpom about our overall experience. Tell me why I should include Javi in a list of talented players in the ACC? (I also left out Watts and Knox from UNC for this very reason)

1/14/2011 12:21:13 PM

It's funny that every single one of you argues that Javi fucking blows and then will defend Lowe for playing him over Harrow at times.

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"Javi has more minutes played than anyone on NCSU and is one of the leaders in the ACC"

Reading comprehension is fun....He is a 4-year starter. He has played more minutes than our star player Tracy.

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"Look, I think we can all agree that Javi doesn't count"

Sidney Lowe ironically thinks he does count. Great coach.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:23 PM. Reason : lol at Astral]

1/14/2011 12:21:39 PM

when Javi is playing well and Harrow is struggling, yes, play fucking Javi

thats just not most of the time

1/14/2011 12:22:54 PM

bigego, I just scrolled down and read it was already factored in kenpom .. my mistake.

1/14/2011 12:23:26 PM

we won't be able to fairly evaluate this team until Lowe has as many years under his belt as Roy or K

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:24 PM. Reason : EXPERIENCE COUNTS]

1/14/2011 12:24:33 PM

Javi is a terrible player but someone has to play the point when Harrow isn't. Harrow gets more minutes than Javi. The only other person on the team who could play the 1 is Brown, and he already gets ~75% of the minutes at the 2.

Ideally Javi should be able to play a few minutes each half, give the other team a different look to deal with while Harrow gets a breather, and not blow the game.

1/14/2011 12:24:46 PM

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"Yet another ACC loss."

our only ACC loss
Our starting lineup (I even gave Harrow the start because he is getting more PT than Javi) is equal to FSU's talent wise and has significantly less experience.
Sure Howell was a 4 star so was John Kreft for FSU. Oh Ian Miller for FSU yet another five star. Oh and yet another 4 star for FSU Okaro White...
I am done googling all of their recruiting rankings but suffice it to say that FSU is at least as talented as NCSU and has some very experienced talent.
I will give you all a rundown:

2 five stars for NCSU (brown was a 4 star according to scout.com which is what I am using)
3 five stars for FSU (Singleton, Miller, Snaer)

4 four stars for NCSU (Brown, Howell, Smith, Painter)
4 four stars for FSU (Kitchen, Shannon, Kreft, White)

I didn't even finish going through FSU's roster and they are comparable (many would argue better) on a talent level and have quite a bit more experienced talent...

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM. Reason : asdfsd]

1/14/2011 12:25:19 PM

Uh no Tree, that's YOUR SIDE'S argument, not ours.

But thanks for trying.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:31 PM. Reason : ^Shows how poor of an in-game coach Leonard Hamilton is. He and Lowe are twins!]

1/14/2011 12:25:20 PM

no thats not my argument, yall niggas postin in a troll thread

1/14/2011 12:26:06 PM

Just stop, adder.

1/14/2011 12:29:00 PM

Do you admit that FSU has at least as much talent as NCSU and more experience? I gave you all of the pertinent details and you have nothing to say... Are you a boozie alias?

1/14/2011 12:30:23 PM