So I haven't been shooting in a while and was going up to the family farm this weekend and was going to practice a bit. Is ammo really as expensive as I am finding? How much are you guys paying for .40 s&w and .357 mag? I am finding 7.62x39 cheaper than I am finding any pistol ammo per round. Is this just a weird supply and demand thing or am I sucking at searching?

10/3/2013 9:56:30 PM

it's been out of control since sandy hook

10/3/2013 10:03:36 PM

For as much as I get to shoot I have more than enough .22LR. Also, Cabelas will have some decent deals online if you time it right and I can just do in store pickup since one is only three miles out of my way on the way home from work. Seen .04 /rd but I was too late to grab any.

10/3/2013 10:07:02 PM

^^^ http://www.gunbot.net

http://www.slickguns.com


you can use those to search for ammo and see what different places are pricing rounds at.

10/3/2013 10:14:13 PM

i like http://www.ammoseek.com the best

.22LR from cabela's is only a deal if you have one nearby, like you do. since they limit you to 1 fucking box, you would end up paying $15 to ship a $7 box of minimags to your house.

10/3/2013 10:40:53 PM

ooooh, yeah that's a good site

10/3/2013 10:53:06 PM

and if you reload, this thread is pretty damn good: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707473&page=61

that thread has helped me score some powder lately that i didn't think i'd ever see again

10/3/2013 10:58:35 PM

this thing is way more accurate than i am

10/4/2013 11:35:25 AM

Anyone have opinions on holsters for the M&P Shield? I'm in the market for a IWB one.

10/4/2013 1:20:06 PM

^^Love those Delta Elite grips

10/4/2013 1:21:23 PM

I bought the same Ruger for my wife to learn with, but she doesn't like it because it doesn't look cool enough

10/4/2013 1:47:05 PM

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"^^Love those Delta Elite grips"

nice spot!

10/4/2013 2:01:02 PM

the non-22/45 versions look like a luger. what could be cooler?

10/4/2013 3:47:19 PM

^6

what range did you shoot that at?

10/4/2013 5:38:37 PM

.223 suppressor ordered. I'll tell you how awesome it is in August

10/5/2013 2:02:17 AM

I own 2 P22's. both run with anything I feed them, the long barrell one will cycle with subsonic 22 most of the time as is. Have bought 2 of the ruger 22/45's. The one I still have is a Mark III 6 inch bull barrell target model, bought new. Other one was a used Mark 2 Great 8, with the slab sided 8 inch target barrell. I seriously though about buying a new style, removable grip panel 22/45 frame on a integral suppressor gun, just due to the wonderful look, and feel of the ones I have handled.

Instead it looks like my P22's will play host gun to an AAC Prodigy/ Maybe the trust can actually get to take it home before next christmas.

Need to get a new barrel for the sig 226's and for the 38 super as well.

10/5/2013 8:28:11 AM

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"What true 5.56 ammo is out there besides surplus M855 and M193? I have probably 1000 rounds of .223, but I want to make my future purchases in actual 5.56."

Shit man, it's not just surplus son. Most of what I find is all new production.

The question for me is, steel tipped or not. I don't need the steel tipped (green tip) projectiles, but if you have friends with a range/field, then it wouldn't matter. No go at ranges.

PMC X-TAC 5.56x45 (.223) 62grn XP855 20rd Box
Prvi Partizan PPU .223/5.56 M193 55grn FMJ 20rd Box
Federal American Eagle 5.56mm XM855CS 62 Grain Green Tip
Federal Lake City XM855F green Tip ammo
GGG 5.56mm GP21 - SS109 / M855 - 62 Grain Penetrator NATO Spec Ammo
Winchester 5.56 M855 SS109 Green Tip Ammo - Q3269
Hornady Superformance Match 5.56mm 75gr BTHP 20rds 81264

Locally, Walmart is stocking 1000 rd cases of either Federal 5.56 62GR XM855 or M193 for $447.97 (cheaper online) plus tax.

I like the PMC X-TAC a lot. Good price and accuracy.

[Edited on October 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM. Reason : fd]

10/5/2013 3:20:05 PM

i got some 5.56 xtac for sale. 55gr. non green tip. $400 for 1000. FTF in raleigh area

10/6/2013 8:08:10 PM

So...those of you with a S&W M&P22...
How is the dao hammer fired trigger? What's it feel like compared to other guns?
I'm interested in getting one but not if the trigger sucks.

10/6/2013 11:00:34 PM

^^ damn, come take a FL vacation and bring the ammo with you.

10/6/2013 11:20:07 PM

shipping ammo isn't very difficult or expensive

10/7/2013 6:19:44 AM

^^^ The trigger on my M&P 22 is fantastic; light, crisp break; there could be a little less take up for my tastes but it's by no means a long trigger pull. It's better than most striker fired pistols. It's not a DAO pull though. It's single action.

10/7/2013 9:39:26 AM

B I'll take it.

10/7/2013 11:49:24 AM

MaximaDrvr, why did you get a 223 suppressor and not a 308 suppressor to serve dual purpose?

[Edited on October 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM. Reason : user]

10/7/2013 7:54:11 PM

Probably becouse a 223 can is smaller/lighter/quieter on a 223, and most are also much lower cost than a quality 308 can. An AAC 223 thread on can is down around 500 or under, depending on dealer. A ranger 3 or other similar 223 cans offer a price competitive with higher end 22 cans. A good 308 can, esp one set up for 308 rapid fire is often over $1000

10/7/2013 8:31:49 PM

Quote :

"^^^ The trigger on my M&P 22 is fantastic; light, crisp break; there could be a little less take up for my tastes but it's by no means a long trigger pull. It's better than most striker fired pistols. It's not a DAO pull though. It's single action."

Thanks. I forgot where I read it, but I thought it was DAO.
It's sad that it's not the same mechanism as the other M&Ps.

10/7/2013 9:18:54 PM

It might as well be the same mechanism. The only significant difference from a center fire m&p is the weight.

[Edited on October 7, 2013 at 11:58 PM. Reason : I ]

10/7/2013 11:58:24 PM

And the silly manual safety...

10/8/2013 12:43:10 AM

is it not possible to delete the safety?

10/8/2013 6:01:48 AM

Can you remove it from the ruger 22/45?

10/8/2013 8:25:57 AM

i think so. it should just be a chunk of metal that gets in the way of the trigger. remove the chunk of metal, remove the safety.

the mag disconnect safety is definitely removable. plenty of youtube videos of how to do that.

10/8/2013 9:01:27 AM

The safety can be removed from the M&P 22. There are several videos on YouTube demonstrating how. On mine, the safety just stays off.

10/8/2013 9:42:51 AM

^^ good deal, I will have to look into it since it is my only pistol with a safety and I can't stand them in pistols.

10/8/2013 10:19:48 AM

my MK II has a relatively light trigger. i may improve it further with a volquartsen trigger. i intend to carry it squirrel hunting and possibly as a sidearm while bow hunting (we can dispatch a wounded deer with rimfire pistol during bow season in NC). for my purposes, i wouldn't consider removing the safety.

the mag disconnect would go for sure.

i understand not wanting safeties on a CC pistol, but it doesn't make sense to me to remove it on something you're just gonna play with at the range or hunt with. even when i carry my 1911, i carry with the hammer back on a loaded chamber and the safety on. it's second nature to hit that thumb safety on the draw.

10/8/2013 11:30:19 AM

I really do like the trigger on the 22/45, but wouldn't mind trying one of the Volquartsens. Changing out the magazine disconnect bushing took about 5 minutes and made the magazines drop free like they should.

10/8/2013 12:48:27 PM

Got a little impulsive and picked up a Tikka T3 in .308

Heading to the range tomorrow.

10/8/2013 7:59:17 PM

If I got an M&P22 I'd take the safety off just because it wouldn't fit in my M&P40 holster.

^T3s are great. I have one in 308.

10/8/2013 8:50:53 PM

^Any ammo recommendations?

10/8/2013 9:12:14 PM

I picked the .223 because I don't own, and don't plan to own a .30 cal gun. I had a 308 bolt gun, and didn't enjoy real long range shooting. My AK is in .223 as well, so it makes sense for me.

10/8/2013 10:07:36 PM

You can say you are recoil sensitive we won't judge :-)

10/9/2013 1:41:13 PM

^^Still....how many subsonic .223/5.56 rounds can you find that will cycle an AR?

I did my research and ended up getting the 762SDN6. My next purchase was a 300blk upper for my AR and a ton of subsonic ammo. Nice and quiet. You would be surprised.

I did shoot a Custom 700 .308 with a Thunder Beast. Holy shit...it was about as quiet as my .22 with my CAN. If the setup wasn't $4000+ I would be all over that.

10/9/2013 2:41:50 PM

what's the point of making the gun quiet? is it just cool factor or what? hearing protection doesn't bother me that much. it definitely doesn't bother me enough that i'd give up cheap .223 for significantly more expensive .300 blk subsonics.

10/9/2013 4:46:57 PM

Being quiet is just one aspect. I love the fact that they are hearing safe. I use my CANs for several reasons. I love using my .22 CAN when teaching a new student. I can take away all three "big" issues with a simple Walther P22 with a laser sight.

Sound, Aim and Recoil are all nullified. Not to mention we can talk through the range time. Its a huge plus. We slowly add each factor in instead of overwhelming them.

It is now legal to hunt with suppressors in NC. If you have a doe problem, you can take 2 or 3 of them before they spook when using 300 blk.

Why do you have a .223? Wouldn't you rather just have an AR22 so you can shoot even cheaper ammo? If you were looking for cheap ammo, you should have picked up an AK. (My point is that it's not always all about cost) I have a ton of different calibers to choose from. The 300 blackout is just another tool in my toolbox that I can use when I feel like it.

10/9/2013 9:49:03 PM

some $50 electronic muffs takes care of the talking issue. still gonna need hearing protection unless you've got the range to yourself, anyway. or if you have your own private range.

i shoot .223 for less than $.25/round. it's a lot more fun than playing the lob and dealing with wind when shooting .22LR past 50 yds.

do you think subsonic .300 blk is ethical on deer? i shot a doe out of a group of 7 or 8 once with a .30-06 at <100 yds and they all just stood around and looked at the dead one.

only use i'd have for a suppressor is on a .22LR bolt gun for squirrel hunting. i mean, i think they're cool too and i'd have a few if they were cheap and easy to obtain like they are in europe, but i don't buy into the justifications folks throw around. if you think it's cool, that's justification enough.

10/9/2013 10:12:27 PM

I just think they are cool. And I want one.

10/9/2013 10:35:55 PM

I understand your point of view. They are pretty expensive. A good .22 can is about $600 after paperwork. I should have mentioned that I almost never shoot at a range and exclusively shoot on private land. I also like the fact that I can shoot all day without pissing off my neighbors or surrounding animals.

Yes. I absolutely think 300 blk is ethical on a deer. Do you believe bow hunting is ethical?

Don't forget, your $50 electronic muff are illegal during hunting season. You can't have "enhanced hearing" for hunting use.

I think the "cool" factor is over rated. Too many people expect a .45 CAN to be movie quiet. It always disappoints them.

10/9/2013 10:37:24 PM

subsonic 300 blk? are those velocities sufficient to mushroom a 30 cal soft point?


bowhunting is different because you get a blood trail. i use 1.5" mechanical broadheads and it looks like the deer poured blood out of a milk jug.

i guess i'd just rather have the velocity than the low noise.



[Edited on October 10, 2013 at 6:13 AM. Reason : and NC has no law against electronic or enhanced hearing while hunting that i can find. source?]

10/10/2013 6:09:33 AM

I maintain that as far as silenced rounds go... I would only shoot .45 and just reduce muzzle blast from larger calibers (.300 win .338 lapua etc.)

10/10/2013 7:28:42 AM

.308 subsonic no louder than a pellet gun (damn near) and has an effective distance of about 250-300m.

10/10/2013 8:12:16 AM

i have no use for a 30 cal bullet traveling under the speed of sound besides plinking

10/10/2013 9:21:14 AM