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"more than likely itll be someone good regardless"

how in the fuck do you know this for sure?

you don't. we could end up with frank haith and then be fucked.

don't act like you're not at least a little nervous about our current situation.

4/5/2006 12:52:41 PM

barnes knows exactly what he wants, if he didn't want to come here...these "talks" would be over

me thinks at least

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ]

4/5/2006 12:53:53 PM

My sources tell me that


IT GUNNA RAIN

4/5/2006 12:56:15 PM

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"barnes knows exactly what he wants, if he didn't want to come here...these "talks" would be over"

if what you say is true, and he knows he wants to come here, then he would have announced it by now.

but that hasnt happened, so it looks like he doesnt know what he wants.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 12:57 PM. Reason : df]

4/5/2006 12:56:34 PM

^not neccesarily. if you read those articles about him taking other jobs, he does it in a really "low-down" type of way....fools the media completely

4/5/2006 12:58:56 PM

^^don't be naive

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"Barnes concedes, however, that he has kept previous job moves as clandestine as possible to mollify the rumor mill. Case-in-point: Barnes agreed to leave his "dream job" at George Mason University to interview at Providence "under one circumstance -- we do it at midnight, we do it in Boston." He also told Providence officials that "if you want to show me the campus, we’ll ride down there at two in the morning." That, in fact, was what Barnes did. He followed the popular Rick Pitino and coached at Providence form 1988-94. Then, when Barnes left Providence for Clemson, "I had the job for six weeks and nobody knew it. I accepted the job at the end of January." "

4/5/2006 1:00:50 PM

The media will try hard to find fault with any coach we pick. Thus the reason for the N&O's new segment "Eyes on State". Don't even think for a minute they don't want to try and catch our new coach in NCAA violations if we get good fast. They'll "Personal Foul" our new coach quick. Someone needs to be hired in the program just to watch out for the slimy N&O reporters....

4/5/2006 1:01:31 PM

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"SO FUCK ALL OF YOU THAT SAY IT WAS A BAD IDEA TO GET RID OF HERBIE AND WE CAN'T GET ANYONE BETTER!"

You dumb fuck. Anytime there is a job open in a major conference (such as the ACC), for a pretty damn good team (such as NC State), you can bet your ass there are going to be a lot of calls.

Every mid-major coach that has had his team in the tournament in the past 10 years is going to call. And every less than mid-major coach that has won a conference tournament and had his team in the NCAA in the last 10 years is going to call. Just because "there has been a ridiculous amount of interest!!" doesn't mean anything. And don't say Tubby Smith, he throws his name at every coaching vacancy just to piss off the Kentucky donors.

Only if we can get Rick Barnes (b/c Wright and Calipari seem to be out of the picture), will this be a better situation than if we had kept Herb.

4/5/2006 1:01:34 PM

we're getting tommy penders

its gonna be a real shocker

4/5/2006 1:01:56 PM

From "motherload1414" on PackPride (Sorry if old):

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"well here it goes...i'm putting my reputation on the line for this one...so if i'm wrong go ahead and ban me...but don't worry that wont be necessary. my source says we all but have Barnes locked up. Texas is pulling their last effort to keep him with this raise, but he's as good as gone to NC State. I am told Barnes will sign the contract and announce tonight. As someone stated earlier...we didnt even contact him, he contacted us through a middle man. 2 Mil is the number I got as well. This source would know.... he said he got this from "pretty deep in the department" I am putting my reputation on the line here guys....if i am wrong may my posts forever and ever hold ZERO weight. "

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".....at first i told him "no way , you got all that off the boards" and he said "whatever man, believe me, i dont even mess with the boards, they are always a day behind" I'm with you guys...i'm skeptical about everything i hear. But this is as legit as I'm gonna get i feel. "

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"i asked him where did you get this information the boards....and he told me "no i dont mess with the boards they are always a day behind...i got it from deep in the athletic dept." i asked him to be more clear and he said no to just believe him. If this is a lie then its a betrayel of my trust and by me passing this along would be a betrayel of your trust. I'm hoping like h*ll he is right. I wouldnt normally post stuff like this ...hearsay kinda stuff...but it seems as if everyone has given up hope and no one is hearing any positives....well i just heard a positive and i'm passing it along. Heres to him being right and barnes coming home. "

i generally ignore these fabalus rumors, but i figured i'd post it over here anyway, just for the hell of it.

as of yet, no announcement on a new contract for barnes in texas has been made so there's still hope

4/5/2006 1:02:06 PM

You guys are right.

Barnes is in Raleigh RIGHT NOW talking to the team.

4/5/2006 1:03:00 PM

,

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ,]

4/5/2006 1:03:09 PM

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"^not neccesarily. if you read those articles about him taking other jobs, he does it in a really "low-down" type of way....fools the media completely [quote]^^don't be naive"

you both missed my point

if he does it in a low-pro way when he accepts job, theres just a big of a chance that he does the same when he doesnt.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : df]

4/5/2006 1:05:04 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=399256

4/5/2006 1:05:11 PM

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"if what you say is true, and he knows he wants to come here, then he would have announced it by now."

Nah... I'm sure we haven't offered him the position yet. If he's coming (Which I don't get the feeling he is), it would take 2-3 days of negotiotions to work out a contract, a day to decide before that, etc.


My guess is the past few days have been discussions of "What would it take to get you here". Nothing official, with no contract...he might be visiting campus or talking with Alumni about the position. Taking a few days could actually indicate Barnes is negotiating terms and/or deciding.

Like I said, I don't think he's coming, but I think if we knew that for sure, State would have released it. Media outlets are usually clueless at times like these.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:07 PM. Reason : ]

4/5/2006 1:06:03 PM

once again, nobody know shit at this point...all speculation.

4/5/2006 1:06:54 PM

^^exactly....THATS MY POINT.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:08 PM. Reason : g]

4/5/2006 1:07:08 PM

^ ah, nevermind then

4/5/2006 1:08:13 PM

haha, the Technician supports Calipari

OOPS

4/5/2006 1:08:26 PM

its times like these we learn to live again

4/5/2006 1:15:57 PM

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"Only if we can get Rick Barnes (b/c Wright and Calipari seem to be out of the picture), will this be a better situation than if we had kept Herb."

This is the way I look at it.

I would rather us hire Archie or someone without experience than Frank Haith.

4/5/2006 1:16:07 PM

^Haith is not the best bet here, but what is your ire based on???

I am guessing you are just regurging otherst thoughts, and really know nothing about Haith

I went to U of Miami for 2 years and he seems like a good guy, he is young, a minority, and was Barnes main recruiter for a number of years

if you don't like him, you don't like him and that is fine, just don't open your mouth with assanine things like "I would rather have Archie" as coach...remember, better to remain silent and be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt!

4/5/2006 1:41:23 PM

Watch for the N&O's spies... They've got their:



I just sense that news media is getting ready for a fury against NC State....

4/5/2006 1:46:16 PM

Has anyone else been told that Barnes is visiting NC State tomorrow?

Some unreliable source told me that, so I dont believe it. Are they saying anything of the sort on packpride?

4/5/2006 1:46:18 PM

^what was the unreliable source?

i'll check packpride but i haven't seen anything like that yet today.

4/5/2006 1:51:05 PM

Dick Vitale.

4/5/2006 1:52:59 PM

more from motherload:

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"i'm trying to pry some more info but he says its all he knows...i just talked to him again...said to chill out and just be patient. HE DID SAY THIS: Call me back when you hear the news tonight, or tomorrow. i guess this means maybe we get the news tomorrow? i dont know i want it tonight. either way i'm going to leave him alone for now. lets just pray he's right."

4/5/2006 2:07:57 PM

why is calipari a DEFINATE no?....isn't he saying the same thing (even less adamant) as barnes?

4/5/2006 2:08:40 PM

anybody know what's goin on with the texas boards?

4/5/2006 2:10:10 PM

^^i don't think we've offered calipari anything, so he is definitely not going to openly express interest. i'd love calipari to come here.

4/5/2006 2:14:58 PM

^calipari would be my choice over barnes

4/5/2006 2:16:52 PM

^^here is one post from those boards:

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"ALL NCSU FANS: It's not what we are willing to pay to keep Barnes because $2 million wouldn't be a problem. The issue to me is whether he's worth that kind of money. IMO, he ain't worth $2 million a season and won't be until he's cutting down the nets like either Holland or Donovan will be doing around 10:30 CDST tonight. Coaches like RatFace and RoyBoy are worth $2 million because they've got some net(s) hanging in the office. We've got a banner that reads "Final Four 200?" along with several others proclaiming "Elite 8 200?" That ain't net and net shows me the money! If we have to pay him $2 million to stay, my vote is to tell him don't let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. If we have to pay $2 million for an "elite" BB coach to replace him then I want one that is already "elite". My guess is it won't take $2 million to replace him if he was to take the money and run. Lots of coaches out there - really good ones operating on smaller budgets, lesser facilities and salary - would jump at the chance to come to Texas. There are plenty of coaches out there doing as much as Barnes is doing with less talent if the number of McDonald's AA's on your squad is any measure. If he needs the money then I don't blame him for leaving; however, if he's using some interest being shown by NCSU to pump us for more money, adios. He ain't worth it and he'll be a pain in the ass for the rest of his time here because we called his bluff and won. Hook'em!"

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 2:18 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/5/2006 2:17:39 PM

if we get barnes

i cant wait to read TWW when he loses his first game against the tarheels

4/5/2006 2:18:01 PM

1a: calipari
1b: wright
1c: barnes

i would be very happy (relieved) with any of the three, but that is how i'd rank them right now.

4/5/2006 2:18:16 PM

The dude is Sketch.

It won't ever happen.

4/5/2006 2:18:35 PM

^are you premie on packpride? if so, there's a very nice post talking about why calipari is actually a very good candidate and not sketch at all.

4/5/2006 2:21:50 PM

yeah why is he sketch? I never read/saw how he got that reputation.

4/5/2006 2:23:59 PM

nvm, found the post on the freebie board.

accfan21 on PackPride (FREE BOARD!!!!!!!1111):

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"I hate to start another coaching thread and I assume that this one will be locked, but I'm so angry and frustrated that I don't want these comments buried at the end of a long thread. I'm sick and tired of hearing how State can't hire John Calipari because he's sleazy or he's a cheater or he doesn't graduate his players. All lies and distortions. First, let's look at graduation rates, since that's the easiest to nail down. When he was hired at UMass, the school had a 15 percent graduation rate and had never graduated an African-American athlete (including Dr. J.). In his eight years there, his graduation rate was nearly 80 pecent (higher than Herb's at State) and his graduation rate for African-American athletes was over 75 percent. When he took the Memphis job, the school had a ZERO graduation rate for the previous (three-year) reporting period and had graduated just two players in the previous seven years. Well, Calipari is just completing his sixth year at Memphis. Nine of the first 11 players he signed have graduated. All five seniors on this year's team are on track to graduate by the end of the summer session. In addition, Calpari started programs at both UMass and Memphis -- out of his own pocket -- to assist past players to come back and graduate. So far at Memphis, three pre-Calipari players have taken advantage of this program and gotten their degrees. Two others have are in school now and should graduate soon. Where do the lies about academic performance come from? Well, when Calipari was building his Final Four team at UMass, he caught heat for taking two academically questionable players, including prep A-A Donta Bright. Calipari argued that both were learning disabled and UMass had one of the top programs for learning disabled players in the country. Both eventually met NCAA guidelines and earned their degrees. At Memphis, Calipari took heat for bringing in Arthur Barclay, a prep teammate of Dujaun Wagner, who was a non-qualifier. Barclay sat out a year, worked on his academics and made progress towards a degree. He did not graduate on time, but he is one of the two ex-players on the verge of getting his degree under Calipari's program for alums. All in all, the academic performance slurs are BS -- he's recruited some risky candidates, but he's graduated a higher percentage of his players than the sainted Herb Sendek (and, hey, I've always been a Herb supporter). Okay, what about allegation that he's a cheater or dirty? The ONLY NCAA investigation or penalty connected with Calipari is the penalty assessed at UMass because Marcus Camby took money from an agent while still an undergrad under Calipari. The only problem with smearing Calipari with this charge is that the NCAA report specificially cleared the UMass coach -- buying his claim that he knew nothing about Camby's contact with an agent. Both Camby and Calipari later explained that Camby never lived off campus ... he never drove a car at UMass and when Calipari asked about a gold necklace that Camby bought with his tainted money, Camby lied and claimed that it was a piece of gold-plated costume jewelry. Should Calipari have known? During the investigation, it turned out that he has instituted a program at UMass to educate players about the dangers of contacts with agents (and gamblers) ... Camby just didn't pay attention. If you're going to smear Calipari in this case, shouldn't we also fire AD Lee Fowler, who was on Dana Kirk's staff at Memphis when he was buying players (although Fowler was never mentioned in any allegation, shouldn't "he have known?). What else is there? When at UMass, Cal was accused of using underhanded (not illegal) tactics when recruiting against St. John's. It was reported that he told prospects that St. John's coach Lou Carnesseca was dying (he wasn't) -- a charge Calipari denied and Carnesseca himself said wasn't true. (Even if it was true, this is kind of like a certain UNC staff telling prospects that State football was about to go on probration, right?) I've seen posters here claim that State couldn't accept Calipari because whether or not he's dirty or does or doesn't graduate his players, there's the "perception" that he's sleazy. Funny how perception works. We have a media in this State that constantly hints and winks that Chuck Amato is dirty when he's never been charged or even investigated for a rules violation ... while we have a rival in Chapel Hill that's perceived as clean, despite admitting (admittedly minor) NCAA rules violations. I saw it work in Calipari's case when one of his players at Memphis was accused of assaulting his girlfield. A prominent media source said the case proved how sleazy Calipari was BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SUSPEND THE GUY FAST ENOUGH. (Jeremy Hunt was suspended and not allowed to suit up for the next game played after the incident, but it took Calipari 24 hours of looking into the case before he made his ruling). The writer got a little upset when a reader responded by pointing out that when King Rice assualted his girlfield in Chapel Hill while saintly Dean Smith was coaching, Rice never missed and a game or even a minute of playing time for the incident. As for Cal's delay, didn't Herb delay to learn the details when Anthony Grundy was charged with assaulting his girlfield -- a charge that turned out to be false? In Hunt's case, the charges turned out to be true, but was it a crime to at least look into the situation before taking action? But that's the way it is with perception ... there was a perception at UMass that Calipari was a self-promotor who never passed up a chance to make an easy buck ... kind of like the perception down here in the 1980s about a guy named Jim Valvano. Okay, I know this is getting long and I come across as a big John Calpari fan ... which is not quite true. I know the guy's no saint (he is a self-promoter and his racial remark to a Mexican reporter while in the NBA was every bit as bad as the Mexi-cam at the RBC Center). But I'm pushing Calipari for one reason -- I think he's the one home-run candidate that State has a chance to get. Sure, keep checking Barnes, Wright (I wonder what THEIR graduation rates are), Tubby Smith, Pitino. But, if those all fail (and I suspect they will), I'm just arguing that we look at Calipari before we move on to Frank Haith or Jim Larranaga or Derek Whittenburg. I know everybody on this board claims to have sources, so take it for what it's worth, but I do have a friend in the business that I called Monday and asked about State candidates. He told me that Barnes, Wright, Smith, etc., were pipe dreams, but said the one big name I mentioned that might be interested was Calipari. I heard this morning that Jay Bilas just said the same thing. Please give this guy a good look. In terms of coaching, he's as good as anyone -- 338-130 for his career, seven league titles in 14 years, a Final Four (and a 15-8 NCAA Tourney record), the 2002 NIT title ... Plus, he has all the charisma in the world (Memphis has led the nation in attendence four times in his first five years). His recruiting has, if anything, been too good -- he's recruited a number of prep stars that have jumped straight to the NBA, including Amare Stoudamire (and under the new NBA rules, Calipari would get those guys at least one year). I know there are those who smear him ... but his graduation rates prove his commitment to academics. As for the rest, I just keep thinking it's the same kind of unsubstantiated crud that rivals used to throw at Valvano and now throw at Chuck Amato. Screw perception ... If you can get Rick Barnes, Jay Wright or somebody else like that, fine ... but I'm not sure any of them would be better than Calipari. And he would be light years better than the second-tier guys people are talking about. Sure the UNC-controlled media would scream bloody murder ... that would just prove how much it would threaten them. PS Did you guys know that he spent two years at North Carolina-Wilmington before finishing his college career at Clarion State? So there is a North Carolina connection with the guy!"

4/5/2006 2:28:40 PM

yesssss the barnes thing is on sportscenter now, could get serious

4/5/2006 2:33:41 PM

what?

4/5/2006 2:34:28 PM

im watching sportscenter, they just said that state was very interested in picking up barnes, no one else saw this?

4/5/2006 2:35:33 PM

what the hell channel are you watching?

All i see is baseball and soccer on espn

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ]

4/5/2006 2:36:19 PM

AT WORK

is that all it said?

4/5/2006 2:36:25 PM

Its actually been posted.

durrr.

4/5/2006 2:36:27 PM

CMT

4/5/2006 2:36:31 PM

that was a good read, thanks for posting that

4/5/2006 2:36:45 PM

espn news, the round the clock sportscenter, but its been posted, so no big deal

4/5/2006 2:38:06 PM

Ah....

4/5/2006 2:39:35 PM

who can we email that we want calipari? anybody have important people/booster contact info?

4/5/2006 2:39:58 PM

this isnt a democracy. you have no vote.

4/5/2006 2:42:43 PM