If we had a marriage amendment that prevented cousins from marrying 50 years ago, then we wouldn't have had so many inbreds with a double digit IQ voting for amendment 1 in the first place.

looking at dyne

5/9/2012 11:34:46 AM

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"We've been here for 10 years and I've addressed you four times"

You're not counting all the times you've directed something to me without using my user ID, derp.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM. Reason : ...]

5/9/2012 11:35:50 AM

It's a combination of the direction the country is moving, the progressive image of North Carolina, and the fact that we were so late to gay-bashing party. Things are supposed to be moving in the other direction, so when something like this passes in a landslide, it surprises a lot of people.

Honestly, it's because of the religious black people in the state. I'm not blaming them or anything, there's plenty of blame to go around. They just usually vote for Democrats, who are generally seen as forward-thinking individuals (I'm not saying they are, just perceived that way) which creates our national progressive image. But evangelical blacks are notorious for voting against gay rights which is why there was such a landslide victory.

5/9/2012 11:38:36 AM

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"If When Amendment One passes on Tuesday, it won’t be our first state constitutional provision regulating marriage. In 1875, we altered our charter to declare that “all marriages between a white person and a Negro or between a white person and a person of Negro descent to the third generation inclusive are, hereby, forever prohibited.” The 1875 amendment, too, was adopted shortly (two years) after an invigorated anti-miscegenation statute had been enacted by the legislature. Even more clearly than is the case today, the proponents could not have worried that an amendment was actually needed. No one fretted that a 19th century North Carolina court would invalidate the earlier separationist statutory rule. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/05/2044515/the-marriage-amendment-1875.html#storylink=cpy "

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM. Reason : when]

5/9/2012 11:45:15 AM

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"and the fact that we were so late to gay-bashing party."

What do you mean by this? NC has had bans on gay marriages and civil unions for quite a while.

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"Honestly, it's because of the religious black people in the state."

100% correct. But the media doesn't have the balls to call them out on this. They had a LOT to do with this thing passing.

5/9/2012 11:45:58 AM

well really you just need to take the word 'black' out of that, religious people were the problem, their race doesn't particularly matter.

5/9/2012 11:49:18 AM

I was merely highlighting the discrepancy between electing "progressive" politicians and then passing such a backwards law by an unexpectedly large margin.

5/9/2012 11:51:28 AM

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"well really you just need to take the word 'black' out of that, religious people were the problem, their race doesn't particularly matter."

It matters when you're dealing with an issue that is strongly divided along political lines, and you can't count on blacks to vote along party lines whenever something religious comes into play.

5/9/2012 11:52:53 AM

How, specifically, does it matter what color skin the religious nutjob has? People vote outside of their party affiliation all of the time, I'm not sure why you want to change this from a religious issue to a racial one.

5/9/2012 11:57:15 AM

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"What do you mean by this? NC has had bans on gay marriages and civil unions for quite a while."

We were the last Southern state to make this a constitutional amendment.

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"100% correct. But the media doesn't have the balls to call them out on this. They had a LOT to do with this thing passing."

That's not what I said at all. I said there was plenty of blame to go around and I think it's just plain wrong to blame black evangelicals more than other groups for it passing. Evangelicals of all backgrounds are the reason it passed so handily. The black vote simply explains why there was a larger margin of victory than expected.

5/9/2012 11:57:19 AM

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"well really you just need to take the word 'black' out of that, religious people were the problem, their race doesn't particularly matter."

a fucking men

Gay white people showed their asses when they went into a frenzy about black people voting for prop 8. They ignored the fact that frequency of church attendance was a far better predictor of how someone voted than race and let their racism fly indiscriminately.

5/9/2012 11:57:50 AM

The difference is, you can pretty much count on Republicans of whatever demographic to vote fairly consistently.

Democrats can say about the same thing, except for blacks. It's fairly well documented that the majority of blacks vote along Democrat party lines for everything that doesn't involve religious issues. So yeah, having a large part of your party vote completely opposite party lines can hurt you in certain cases.

5/9/2012 12:01:09 PM

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"How, specifically, does it matter what color skin the religious nutjob has? People vote outside of their party affiliation all of the time, I'm not sure why you want to change this from a religious issue to a racial one."

Settle down. White evangelicals vote Republican at around 90% levels. Black people vote at about the same rate for Democrats regardless of religious affiliation. I'm not saying black people are to blame. But it does explain why the amendment passed at a 2-1 margin when many important elections are decided by only tens of thousands of votes or less. This is a well documented occurrence.

I cannot emphasize enough that I am not blaming them. I just think it is interesting to look at from a voting demographic perspective.

5/9/2012 12:04:19 PM

So what you're saying is you hate black people.

5/9/2012 12:08:23 PM

Apparently.

5/9/2012 12:09:57 PM

But again, why does it matter what political affiliation the person has? The issue wasn't dem vs pub, it was "God says I have to vote this way" vs "what the fucking hell is wrong with you?". Trying to reduce it to skin color stinks of diversion. I'm registered unaffiliated and don't give two shits about republican or democrat lines, so maybe I'm just ignorant to the whole 'go team!' political mentality. Whatever.

5/9/2012 12:12:13 PM

^ This was definitely an issue that was, for the most part, divided along party lines.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM. Reason : ...]

5/9/2012 12:13:24 PM

I hate you homo sapiens, I really do.

5/9/2012 12:13:52 PM

Misanthrope Life

5/9/2012 12:15:07 PM

^^^Dude I'm a fucking conservative and even I get what his point is. The state historically votes very much Democrat because it has a large black population. They maybe very liberal in government, but they are very conservative socially. Hence why a state that had enough people to vote to carry the state for the President and votes for a lot of democrats still managed to vote for Amendment 1 by such a large majority. Look at many of the eastern NC counties. GK Butterfield's district has almost always been a Democrat. But unlike place like Orange County, they voted for the Amendment in a landslide. Those areas are very high in black populations. So in general most people that were religious voted for the amendment, the black voters shifted from a Democrat point of view (voting against) to a Republican point of view on this social issue.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:15:43 PM

Anecdotal, but literally every republican I know voted against. This was very clearly a religiously divided issue, every bit of the rhetoric revolved around 'doing god's work'.

5/9/2012 12:15:48 PM

Most people were expecting it to be as close as presidential elections and close senate races. It ended up being passed by an unexpectedly large margin. I was explaining why. Mentioning race as a variable in studying voting habits of different demographics is not racism.

5/9/2012 12:16:20 PM

It is a criticism why some were saying Obama didn't say anything as it would not appease the religious Democrat voters in the state.

5/9/2012 12:17:49 PM

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5/9/2012 12:18:35 PM

I don't feel as though it was Obama's place to comment on a state amendment. I'm sure he has an opinion, but it doesn't matter in the realm of North Carolina politics.

5/9/2012 12:18:58 PM

Then you obviously only know Republicans in larger urban areas. Check that map. Basically anywhere rural voted for it by a large majority. Where do you think has the highest percentage of the population being in church?

5/9/2012 12:20:45 PM

Which is exactly my point, political lines didn't matter, religious ones did.

5/9/2012 12:24:42 PM

^^how many trivial issues has this president inserted himself into?

of course he commented on it; anything for airtime.

hes like the firstborn child in your home videos; youre trying to film their younger sibling and they wont get out of the damn frame.

"film me! im dancing see!"

5/9/2012 12:26:49 PM

Age was a huge factor, as was education. It's no surprise that educated young people who hold conservative beliefs voted against. You don't have to even support gay rights to oppose this government intrusion into private affairs.

Funnily enough, now that it's in the constitution and not just a statute, the federal Supreme Court is the only government body with the power to overturn this assault on constitutional rights. I'm willing to bet the current Justices will sit on their hands in the name of states' rights on this issue because of their personal policy preferences though.

^ So you're criticizing me, a liberal, for not being a total partisan hack? The irony...

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:32:04 PM

Anyone have any additional information on this??

Hours after the passage of Amendment One, Mecklenburg County Commissioner Bill James is urging his colleagues to repeal the county’s policy that provides domestic partner health insurance benefits to employees in same-sex relationships:

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"James Edges Driggs, Pushes To Scrap County Employee Benefits For Same-Sex Couples"

http://pundithouse.com/2012/05/james-edges-driggs-pushes-to-scrap-county-employee-benefits-for-same-sex-couples/

http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2012/05/09/will-mecklenburg-become-the-first-to-repeal-benefits/

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM. Reason : Trying to find more sources]

5/9/2012 12:34:11 PM

If that passes it will undeniably invalidate heterosexual couples' benefits as well.

It's pathetic how uninformed our political leaders are on how the law works.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:38 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:36:30 PM

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"^^how many trivial issues has this president inserted himself into? of course he commented on it; anything for airtime. hes like the firstborn child in your home videos; youre trying to film their younger sibling and they wont get out of the damn frame. "film me! im dancing see!""

relevant. you're really showing how much of a hack you are, and how pointless it is to try to understand your opinions.

5/9/2012 12:37:56 PM

^^does this push us toward a more socialized medicine in the long run?

(not that it would be a bad thing)

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:38:16 PM

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"I'd like Christians to speak to me about CHRIST's words on homosexuality."

5/9/2012 12:39:08 PM

i'm pretty sure jesus wouldn't give a shit about homos, he'd just keep jumping on his pogo stick.

5/9/2012 12:40:55 PM

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"Most people were expecting it to be as close as presidential elections and close senate races. It ended up being passed by an unexpectedly large margin. I was explaining why. Mentioning race as a variable in studying voting habits of different demographics is not racism."

wut

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"An April poll by Public Policy Polling, which conducts polling for Democratic clients but whose surveys also have a track record of nonpartisanship, had the measure prevailing by 14 points."

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/north-carolinas-ban-on-gay-marriage-appears-likely-to-pass/

Granted, it passed by a lot more than 14 points, but 14 points is hardly "close"

5/9/2012 12:41:57 PM

This is why religion is freaking stupid

5/9/2012 12:42:17 PM

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"If that passes it will undeniably invalidate heterosexual couples' benefits as well."

I'll sue the state of NC to invalidate married heterosexual couples' benefits as well as benefits are being assigned based on the religious institution of marriage.

5/9/2012 12:50:50 PM

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"Hours after the passage of Amendment One, Mecklenburg County Commissioner Bill James is urging his colleagues to repeal the county’s policy that provides domestic partner health insurance benefits to employees in same-sex relationships: "

Not surprised at all.

5/9/2012 12:54:27 PM

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"This is why religion is freaking stupid"

ib4 apologists

"No, they're misinterpreting Christianity! It's a religion of peace and love, not judgment."

Bullshit. It's bronze age mythology, and by supporting it you help perpetuate it. The God of the old testament hated gays (and just about everything else), and the Bible says that God is unchanging.

On Facebook:

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"I find it amusing how hateful the "tolerant" people are being towards those with a different opinion from theirs."

Getting tired of this bullshit line. You're free to have an opinion, but when you vote to have the government use force, I'm correct in saying that you're an asshole.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:57:32 PM

5/9/2012 1:13:42 PM

5/9/2012 1:26:04 PM

^Nice strawman. Are you saying we should make marying your cousin illegal?

5/9/2012 1:30:36 PM

Looks like ~40% (greater than 35%) of registered Democrats voted for the measure. I am attempting to get the data of this to analyze. I'd be curious to see the breakup of Republican, Democrat, and Unaffiliated.

5/9/2012 1:33:19 PM

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"Getting tired of this bullshit line. You're free to have an opinion, but when you vote to have the government use force, I'm correct in saying that you're an asshole."

Even worse are the people who are against amendment 1, but are too timid to have a voice, out of "respect" for their friends' dipshit beliefs.

5/9/2012 1:34:50 PM

^^ I don't think you'd get a real grasp of unaffiliated mostly because most unaffiliated chose either a Republican or Democrat ballot.

5/9/2012 1:38:44 PM

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"Looks like ~40% (greater than 35%) of registered Democrats voted for the measure. I am attempting to get the data of this to analyze. I'd be curious to see the breakup of Republican, Democrat, and Unaffiliated."

An article I read this morning said 80% of minorities voted for Amendment 1.

5/9/2012 1:39:55 PM

^ Might be true. The minimum of 35% I think was based only looking at registered voters and considering they all voted for it.

Trying to get a hold of the data... I want to play with it.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM. Reason : need the data! NOW!]

5/9/2012 1:42:49 PM

If you think about it from a big government vs small government standpoint, it makes sense for religious Democrats to vote for this. Democrats theoretically have less qualms with big government and see no problem with the government supporting their beliefs.

What baffles me are Republicans that voted for it. I thought Republicans were for small government.

5/9/2012 1:45:58 PM

^so your qualm is that republicans showed up to vote? Hey, since they're against big government, then they should boycott elections.

I believe in Federalism. States should have the rights and this is a state issue IMO.

5/9/2012 1:57:13 PM