The day the incident happened, they put out a statement saying they'll release his name on Tuesday, which is what they ended up doing anyway, the protests didn't affect this...

They also released the video of brown, which probably wouldn't have happened without the protests.

8/29/2014 11:49:58 AM

[Edited on August 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM. Reason : f]

8/30/2014 11:20:06 AM

thats wasist

8/30/2014 9:57:29 PM

That the guy that says "who else seen the leprechaun say yea"???

8/30/2014 10:00:48 PM

that VH1 doc is hard to watch.

8/31/2014 4:57:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberly-seals-allers/why-ferguson-has-everything-to-do-with-black-breastfeeding-week_b_5736568.html

Quote :

"The tragic events in Ferguson have exposed an inconvenient truth about which lives matter in the United States. About how stereotypes and unspoken fears lead to unsubstantiated actions with dangerous, life-ending consequences. As we learned that Michael Brown's body laid in the street for over an hour without detectives' attention, we saw firsthand the power of negative stereotypes to influence inhumane behavior. Like many mothers of young black males (mine is only 10 years old), I wept in fear for my own son, his future and for the feeling of powerlessness that many of us experience about the future and safety of our boys, even among those who are being paid by our tax dollars to serve and protect. I wept in disgust over the pervading sentiment that our children's lives are worth less than others and the prevailing narrative that as black people we don't care about ourselves either. What does this have to do with Black Breastfeeding Week? Everything. While breastfeeding is a critical health imperative in our community as we battle unconscionably high infant mortality rates and poor infant and child health statistics, it is also a gesture of empowerment and self-determination. Black Breastfeeding Week is a declaration that we as black mothers will not settle for a manufactured artificial food substance that is aggressively peddled particularly in our low-income communities via WIC programs."

8/31/2014 8:50:00 PM

An answer for the "what can I do?" camp:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/business/fast-food-workers-seeking-higher-wages-plan-another-strike.html?_r=0

Support these workers. They're overshooting for $15, but these types of jobs are all that's available in poorer communities, which only helps perpetuate the cycle of poverty.

9/2/2014 12:46:46 AM

http://theadvocate.com/home/10181682-123/brpd-cop-accused-of-sending

This is the power of awareness.

#handsup

9/6/2014 12:09:17 AM

Fast food and cheap retail exists to exploit communities, not support them. Ferguson police arrested more people while protecting the McDonalds than any other building in the town.

9/6/2014 1:04:16 AM

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"Fast-Food Workers Seeking $15 Wage Are Planning Civil Disobedience"

They need to be disciplined on the spot if they get destructive. World is overpopulated with ungratefulness. Remove 'em.



[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 1:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2014 1:44:51 AM

^ it's not ungrateful to stand up for yourself. You aren't looking at the forest either, you're looking at the trees. Our country is heading into dire waters with growing inequality combined with more intelligent computers. Your job and other white collar jobs are in the cross hairs. You and these workers are in the same boat. Their pay hasn't kept up with their productivity, and when the tools you use to do your job get better and cheaper, your employer isn't going to pay you for the tools output. They'll make more money, while you make less.

for the first time in history, the United State's middle class isn't the wealthiest in the world-- this is a big deal (this also means less Americans spending money at small businesses and other speciality items). It's going to get worse if people to accept the right solutions to this problem, and victim blaming is the exact wrong solution.

9/6/2014 12:50:50 PM

9/7/2014 2:00:34 AM

It certainly helps that graphic that full time went from 40 hours to 32 according to ACA.
Loom at the *. They graphic is through 2009, to blame bush I'm sure, then says the data was collected from 2013.

[Edited on September 7, 2014 at 3:10 AM. Reason : Asdf]

9/7/2014 3:08:56 AM

$7.25 per hour * 40 hours per week * 52 weeks per year = $15,080 annual salary for full time minimum wage worker

The history of federal minimum wage only goes through 2009 because the federal minimum wage last changed in 2009.

9/7/2014 9:45:26 AM

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"Fast-Food Workers Seeking $15 Wage Are Planning Civil Disobedience"

they need to be careful what they wish for. if they managed to receive $15 the cashiers would be fired just as fast as they could install self serve POS screens like they have at sheetz.

9/7/2014 10:34:59 AM

^ and Panera Bread.

9/7/2014 3:25:52 PM

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

9/7/2014 6:58:09 PM

^^^ or in the short term, as soon as they fuck up in the slightest way, because if a company is going to pay $15/hour, they're gonna get a $15/hour employee.

[Edited on September 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2014 11:06:11 PM

^^^^
That's going to happen anyway, regardless. They'd just be expediting it.

The questions we should all be asking, when those workers get replaced by machines is, and then what?

Keep in mind, your job will be on the same chopping block eventually.

9/8/2014 12:08:20 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-when-whites-just-dont-get-it-part-2.html?_r=0
When Whites Just Don’t Get It, Part 2

A followup to the same article posted earlier in the thread.

9/8/2014 11:21:10 AM

so no arrest or nothing.

9/10/2014 8:17:32 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html

Quote :

"Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer. They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed. And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire. An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting. Intense clashes during Ferguson protest Protests disrupt Ferguson town meeting Photos: Ferguson council meeting Photos: Ferguson council meeting "He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video. The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later. "The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said. That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up." The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot. The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car. Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him." The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned. The men said they didn't seen how the confrontation started. Police arrest Michael Brown protesters near interstate Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised The video, recorded several minutes after the shooting, gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case. The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9. Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor. A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head. A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges. Protesters near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters on Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death."

9/11/2014 1:15:08 PM

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"The questions we should all be asking, when those workers get replaced by machines is, and then what?"

Machines can't sharecrop :^)

Quote :

"Keep in mind, your job will be on the same chopping block eventually."

No it won't.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/11/2014 1:18:10 PM

^ What do you do?

^^ pretty interesting.

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" The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family"

Code for "white people".

[Edited on September 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

9/11/2014 1:30:30 PM

I'm a sharecropper

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/11/2014 1:31:43 PM

^ ha, that will be one of the ways humans spend their time when robots are doing all the "real" work.

9/11/2014 1:34:58 PM

There's actually quite a bit of automation in farming these days. Advances in GPS are making it even easier to unman the farming business.

9/12/2014 7:08:42 AM

http://www.wral.com/nc-law-enforcement-banned-from-military-gear-program/13961670/

9/12/2014 12:38:05 PM

Great

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/12/2014 1:00:09 PM

Quote :

"Ferguson Tensions Flare After Michael Brown Memorial Burns"

Quote :

"Angry protesters took to the streets late Tuesday after a memorial to Michael Brown was destroyed in a fire, renewing tensions in the St. Louis suburb wracked by protests after the unarmed black teen was shot by police in August. Many who gathered at the site Tuesday blamed police for the blaze. "It's the same as if somebody came and desecrated a grave," Anthony Levine of Florissant, another St. Louis suburb, told The Associated Press as he studied the charred scene and shook his head. NBC station KSDK reported that a beauty salon was later broken into on West Florissant Avenue, which had been the scene of earlier protests and unrest in the wake of Brown’s death. A crowd also gathered in the street, with some shouting slogans at police who had arrived at the scene of the burglary. A KSDK reporter on the scene said he heard shots fired. It was not immediately clear if any arrests were made. "

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-tensions-flare-after-michael-brown-memorial-burns-n210236

9/24/2014 10:51:36 AM

Quote :

"There's actually quite a bit of automation in farming these days. Advances in GPS are making it even easier to unman the farming business."

large scale grain farming has been fairly "automated" for probably 10+ years. It hasn't really changed the amount of labor tho, it just makes farmers more efficient by getting rows spaced correctly and whatnot. There is still someone in the tractor/combine/truck. These types of farms haven't been very labor intensive for decades.

in the dairy industry, there are robotic milkers (which have been around for 15+ years) and automatic calf feeders (more recent) which definitely cut down on labor, but they are still cost prohibitive to most farmers. As such, they are not very widespread, although they have been gaining in popularity in recent years.

The most labor intensive farming operations are fruit and produce, because all those fruits and vegetables you see at the grocery store are picked by hand. Being able to determine what is ripe and ready to pick, and then not bruise/hurt the product is not something that machines have been able to do. Now, some fruits and vegetables produced for processing are mechanically harvested, but it will be a long while before those workers are replaced by machines.

9/24/2014 11:09:42 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/us/st-louis-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Quote :

"Protesters took to St. Louis streets for a second night Thursday after an off-duty officer killed a teen who fired at him three times, authorities said."

Is the african american community in St. Louis really up in arms protesting the death of a black teen that started shooting at a police officer????? I'm guessing the cop to show compassion should have ran up to the kid, kindly asked him to drop the weapon and place his hands behind his back so that a proper arrest could be made to let the justice system figure it out...

This is some straight up N*gg*r shit

10/10/2014 8:42:18 AM

why don't you join the relevant thread.



also, another classic HUR post!

10/10/2014 8:46:13 AM

... and HUR continues to be a retarded racist

just another day on The Wolf Web

10/10/2014 8:57:08 AM

From page 12

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"In the end I have predictions about how this will work out: 1. The shooting will turn out to be justifiable and "not guilty verdict will be handed down" 2. People will riot 3. No action will be taken to make this less of a 'police state'"

10/22/2014 9:31:36 AM

Quote :

"According to the official autopsy report for Michael Brown obtained by the St. Louis Dispatch, the teenager suffered a gunshot wound to his hand from close range and had marijuana in his system at the time of his death. Brown was shot and killed by Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson Aug. 9. The autopsy would appear to square with Wilson's retelling of events—that there was an altercation inside the officer's car that precipitated Brown being fatally gunned down in the street: Police Officer Darren Wilson told investigators that in a struggle for his pistol inside a police SUV, Michael Brown pressed the barrel of Wilson's gun against the officer's hip, according to a source with knowledge of his statements. Wilson tried to prevent Brown from reaching the trigger, the source said, and when he thought he had control he fired. But Brown's hand was blocking the mechanism. When Wilson got two shots off, Brown was hit in the hand and ran. Wilson fired again when Brown turned back and charged at him, Wilson told investigators. The St. Louis Dispatch conferred with two experts not currently involved in police's investigation of Brown's killing. The first, Dr. Michael Graham, the St. Louis medical examiner, told the paper that the autopsy report "does support that there was a significant altercation at the car": Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown's right thumb toward his wrist. The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range. But Graham said, "Sometimes when it's really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke." The report on a supplemental microscopic exam of tissue from the thumb wound showed foreign matter "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm." A second independent pathologist, Dr. Judy Melinek in San Francisco, also confirmed with the Dispatch that the autopsy "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound": She said Brown was facing Wilson when Brown took a shot to the forehead, two shots to the chest and a shot to the upper right arm. The wound to the top of Brown's head would indicate he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter; the shot was instantly fatal. A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown's palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said. Another autopsy report has been ordered as part of a federal investigation. Those results have yet to be released."

http://gawker.com/michael-brown-autopsy-confirms-gunshot-wound-to-hand-an-1649257812

10/22/2014 11:28:03 AM

I saw that. Maybe my memory is foggy, but I'm having trouble seeing why those details are supposedly so damning of Brown. I thought it was already established, through eye witness account, that there was some sort of altercation at the cop car?

10/22/2014 11:32:10 AM

I think the bit about the gunshot wound to the arm (which presumably happened after the altercation in the car) traveling from the the outside to the inside contradicts the eyewitness reports of him having his hands up right?

and the gunshot residue on the wound to is thumb might indicate he was reaching for the gun

[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason : ]

10/22/2014 11:34:48 AM

He was shot before he was killed. Obvipusly he didnt die from a shot to the arm/hand. He ran away put his hands up and was then executed. No one is saying he was innocent but that doesn't mean he should have been executed on the spot either

10/22/2014 11:37:32 AM

^^Perhaps?

I guess I was assuming the officer needed justification for every bullet leaving his gun, as in he is justified in using increasing force to minimize the threat in most cases.
-So...there is an altercation at the car,
-the cop fires and hits Brown in the hand
-Brown runs away and is a good distance from the officer (this is when I thought his hands were supposedly up)
-several more bullets fly in Brown's direction hitting him

[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM. Reason : h]

10/22/2014 11:41:58 AM

Quote :

"-Brown runs away and is a good distance from the officer (this is when I thought his hands were supposedly up) -[what happens here??] -several more bullets fly in Brown's direction hitting him"

I guess if his hands are up and his back is to the officer then that would explain the shot to the arm? So his hands are up when his back is to the officer, he gets shot in the back of the arm, brown turns around to face the cop, hands still up, cop unloads on brown. Would that be the eyewitness-supported chain of events?



[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ]

10/22/2014 11:55:30 AM

solution: put cameras on officer guns so we can see what's happening at the time of squeezing the trigger.

10/22/2014 11:58:42 AM

^^ No idea. That's what I thought this investigation was really circling around.

Wilson says Brown charged at him.
I thought other witnesses say there was no charging.


I obviously can't say. I just said I didn't understand why the new details about a gun being fired from the car were so damning of Brown.

[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 11:59 AM. Reason : f]

10/22/2014 11:58:49 AM

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"I thought other witnesses say there was no charging."

Oh yeah, they're definitely saying that.

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"I just said I didn't understand why the new details about a gun being fired from the car were so damning of Brown."

I don't know that they're 100% damning, but I don't think they're helping either.

Feds are going to do their own autopsy so we'll see what happens with that.

10/22/2014 12:05:01 PM

Sure, the new details certainly don't paint a rosy picture of Brown.

I think some article I saw on this quoted someone affiliated with the case as saying 'these new details corroborate Wilsons story, and there most likely won't be an indictment. We have to be prepared for large scale rioting, blah blah blah'. That's really where my confusion came from.

10/22/2014 12:10:33 PM

we already didn't have a rosy picture of Brown though

10/22/2014 12:11:05 PM

yeah i mean he does the marijuana

10/22/2014 12:38:21 PM

Quote :

" I thought it was already established, through eye witness account, that there was some sort of altercation at the cop car? "

That has been the story. The autopsy seems to just confirm this, and we already knew about the other shots from the family's autopsy.

This autopsy doesn't seem to cast any doubt on the multiple eyewitnesses saying brown was surrendering.

10/22/2014 1:30:48 PM

Quote :

"He was shot before he was killed. Obvipusly he didnt die from a shot to the arm/hand. He ran away put his hands up and was then executed. No one is saying he was innocent but that doesn't mean he should have been executed on the spot either "

but

Quote :

"A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown's palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said."

granted it is a little hard to believe Brown would be that dumb and aggressive, can marijuana really make someone that stupid? I would have assumed a hallucinogen or something was involved; no one has said if he had any history of mental illness

[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 8:19 PM. Reason : k]

10/22/2014 8:18:18 PM

Has anyone considered that it wasn't marijuana or mental illness, but maybe he just didn't give a fuck?

10/22/2014 8:31:58 PM