He was literally an officer in the GRU. I mean, come on...

[Edited on July 14, 2017 at 12:56 PM. Reason : Why did my phone autocorrect was to wasn't??]

7/14/2017 12:55:41 PM

Anyone going to mention how this most recent reporting includes that they were actually given information?

7/14/2017 7:18:55 PM

So...this is all looking like a victory for RMoney.

There are enough questions for the Obama administration that will convince the people who defend Trump that this was some sort of either a 1) setup by Obama, or 2) Obama totally falling down on the job (similar to ISIS).

There is also enough speculative talk/analysis in the MSM to convince the President Trump-haters that either 1) this is a massive coverup by President Trump and he needs to be impeached, or 2) Putin is holding the reins of power in the Trump White House and Trump needs to be impeached.

Either way, until there is an actual legal statute that can be proven that President Trump violated (as President, mind you), he's going to continue to be #stillyourpresidentcomrade.

Sorry haters.

7/14/2017 9:41:29 PM

There were apparently at least 8 people in the meeting, and they brought information about Clinton

7/14/2017 10:10:15 PM

^can you link me to that??

7/14/2017 10:17:23 PM

^^still one person unidentified correct? It was Trump.

Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort, Russian lawyer, ex-Russian military dude, translator, ?Trump? (Maybe Preibus?).

7/14/2017 10:36:53 PM

Quote :

"It doesn't matter what the results are. If you attempt to rob a bank and fail, you are still committing a crime and will be arrested, charged and sentenced."

And my point is that the banke has been robbed repeatedly and only Russians are being arrested.

Quote :

" No, this is true because the earth itself contains a finite amount of resources over which all nation states are competing. So, any nation that gains an advantage by default causes disadvantage for others"

.
This is false. We have enough resources in our country to support our country and more. Our relationship with China (the other superpower) is more a relationship of cooperation than it is about competition. Greed and excess is the only thing that is being competed for and causing disadvantage.

Quote :

"Sociopath: A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. Does not compute."

Your first line of google definition of sociopath is far too narrow. If countries were people, your world view and US foreign policy would be perfectly sociopathic.
http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

Quote :

"This is not treated with urgency because Democrats are mad they lost. It is treated with urgency because it crossed a serious line with respect to international norms in intelligence operations and warfare. And it is irrelevant as to whether we do it all of the time or not. As I explained earlier, since you cannot know with 100% certainty the motives and intentions of any rival power, you must act accordingly to ensure your security to the best of your ability. So whether we do it in Ghana or South Africa or anywhere else is irrelevant. If you are loyal to this country and its values, then you understand why this Russian shit is such a big deal. There are only two other options if not: 1) You believe in this fairy tale about everyone playing nice and getting along (one of the PRIMARY reasons conservatives have so many problems with liberals) 2) You are loyal to your political party as opposed to this country. Until humans evolve their psychology and behavior, this is how we as organisms will continue to operate. And I intend on keeping America at the top of the food chain with as little collateral damage as possible."

All three of your options are options of people who have been manipulated by money. No I am not loyal to the "country and its values". I am loyal to humanity and interpret your version of "loyalty to the US" as loyalty to its corporate interests.

Patriotism is just a tool for oligarchs to get normal people to adopt fuedalistic principles. You see yourself as a proud american and I see you as a serf paying homage to your nobles.

7/14/2017 11:32:39 PM

You're JCE'ing hardcore now so I'm done.

7/14/2017 11:45:13 PM

https://www.lawfareblog.com/it-crime-russian-election-meddling-and-accomplice-liability-under-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act

New analysis of potential crimes based on recent revelations on top Russian intel agents being in the meeting.

Not looking good for trump. Kushner apparently having to update his security clearance form again, the 4th time.

Not sure how Kushner doesn't get charged for that, those security clearances aren't a joke.

7/15/2017 12:18:32 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341844-kushner-updated-disclosure-to-add-more-than-100-foreign-contacts

Quote :

"Kushner updated disclosure to add more than 100 foreign contacts: report"

7/15/2017 12:27:11 AM

Lol. JCE and most trump supporters as well as republicans would certainly agree with your american exceptionalist worldview. The only difference is they would defend trump about Russia because he is their guy. I'm not defending Trump but you want to put me in that box because I am equating the bad stuff he does with the bad stuff you support.

Calling me JCE is really just a defense mechanism to avoid any engaging any nuance whatsoever. Nice cop out.

7/15/2017 1:04:32 AM

Quote :

"Patriotism is just a tool for oligarchs to get normal people to adopt fuedalistic principles. You see yourself as a proud american and I see you as a serf paying homage to your nobles."

Was this lifted from a shirt bought at hot topic?

7/15/2017 8:29:53 AM

^^To be clear, I wasn't calling you JCE. You haven't gone to that extreme or frequency at all. But your responses on this are the type of responses he gives. You pivot away from points as opposed to addressing them. An example is your random "wikihow" page on sociopaths as opposed to the actual word as it is defined in the dictionary and medical profession.

And my view isn't "American exceptionalism." My view is "this is where I live so why the hell wouldn't I want to be on top?"

I'm also not saying you're defending Trump at all. And I'm also not saying things America does are not bad. I'm simply saying that as reality currently stands, bad things are required to survive and since I'm American, I want America on top. It's the most basic logic of survival that exists.

Here's a better way to put it, regarding your point on resources. Yes, we absolutely have enough resources for everyone on earth to have a good standard of living. So let's say we do this: I become President and then organize a meeting with the leaders of every single country on earth (let's assume they magically all accept the meeting to begin with, even though a vast majority will turn it down based on the will of their citizens). In this meeting I propose a treaty that states we will end all wars and spread all resources out evenly to all citizens on the planet.

How many people do you think sign it?

Let's presume they DO sign it. What do you think happens as soon as every leader goes home?

Do you get where I'm going with this? Can the world be perfect? Sure, no PHYSICAL reason it can't. But you are failing to account for the human factor. Hence my repeated point - until humans evolve, it won't change.

"Hey I have the perfect solution to healthcare." Great. How are you going to CONVINCE people to ACT to SUPPORT it? THAT is where idealism breaks down. And I'll say it again, hopefully for the last time - liberals refuse to acknowledge this point. It's a large reason that most leftist movements in history gravitate towards dictatorship - "We know what the ideal world should be so we have to force everyone to live in it." And since you can't force humans as a whole to do shit without conflict, leftist regimes turn to complete despotism.

Leftists try to change the world for the better by forcing people to accept shit they don't presently want.
Rightists try to keep the world as it is by forcing people to accept shit they don't presently want.

We have to evolve. Until then, because I am myself an American, I am going to act in my own self interest FIRST. Because I am a rational, empathetic human being, AFTER I have secured my own self interest I will work towards others' self interest. And when you break it down to individuality, every single human will behave in a manner consistent with the first point - self interest. SOME will move on to the second point (empathy). But not all.

[Edited on July 15, 2017 at 1:57 PM. Reason : a]

7/15/2017 1:54:59 PM

Quote :

"And my view isn't "American exceptionalism." My view is "this is where I live so why the hell wouldn't I want to be on top?""

Obsessing over Russia isn't going to put us on top. Trump and Russia aren't the reason why we are 31st in life expectancy or 38th in education. I'm not saying its good, I'm just saying if you want to end corruption, you should target corruption and not single out corruption with possible ties to russia.

Quote :

" I'm simply saying that as reality currently stands, bad things are required to survive and since I'm American, I want America on top. It's the most basic logic of survival that exists. "

Taking money from Russian oligarchs isn't going to help Americans survive. Maybe you should shift your focus to infant mortality, nutrition/obesity or gun violence. None of which have anything to do with Russia. Your biggest problem is that you think American oligarchs care about you but Russian oligarchs don't. They are all driven by same greed and will all have their money in the same Island/Swiss banks.

Quote :

"Here's a better way to put it, regarding your point on resources. Yes, we absolutely have enough resources for everyone on earth to have a good standard of living. So let's say we do this: I become President and then organize a meeting with the leaders of every single country on earth (let's assume they magically all accept the meeting to begin with, even though a vast majority will turn it down based on the will of their citizens). In this meeting I propose a treaty that states we will end all wars and spread all resources out evenly to all citizens on the planet. "

This is irrelevant. The US already has a disproportionately high amount of natural resources on our own territory. All we have to do to keep it is to avoid being invaded. We only seek to control even more out of imperialistic greed. I could give a shit about Russia's influence over trade in the black sea. People like you and me are paying money to give a few hundred people access to looted profits from abroad. It isn't a net benefit for most of the population. Certainly not taxpayers.

Quote :

"We have to evolve. Until then, because I am myself an American, I am going to act in my own self interest FIRST. Because I am a rational, empathetic human being, AFTER I have secured my own self interest I will work towards others' self interest. And when you break it down to individuality, every single human will behave in a manner consistent with the first point - self interest. SOME will move on to the second point (empathy). But not all."

What more do you need to consider your self interest "secured"? and what does that have to do with Russia buying influence over US foreign policy?

[Edited on July 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM. Reason : turn a blind eye to "American" interference but lose shit over "russian" interference.]

[Edited on July 16, 2017 at 2:23 PM. Reason : but that would require]

7/16/2017 2:19:05 PM

You pivoted again.

Until everyone else thinks along the lines of what you are saying, it's not going to happen. Plain and simple. I am focused on all of the problems you mentioned. I am part of a minority (as are you) of voters that are concerned about those problems. Until there is a critical mass, nothing will change. It is physics.

Every one of your points is undercut by how humans currently operate and what the voting majority of our nation pays attention to. How are you going to convince them otherwise? Figure that out and you can move them to your side.

7/16/2017 4:36:03 PM

Stop it.

7/16/2017 6:25:06 PM

Where did I pivot? I thought I was directly addressing the last two paragraphs. Maybe I misread something you said but it seemed like you were saying. I will number every point so you can tell me which part is a pivot.

You say
C1. people will be greedy and selfish until their own self-interests are secured.
C2. me (and "liberals") have already "evolved" prematurely and
C3. those who have "evolved" don't understand that people's views are clouded by their larger needs.

So my reaction to that would be
T1. to try to educate you on how Russia has no connection to the self-interests of everyday americans.
T2. To convince you to go ahead and "evolve" yourself if you think that is what humanity needs. What are you waiting for? Change doesn't happen by everyone changing at once. Be part of the solution.
T3. If your needs aren't met, I have follow up questions
a. what are they?
b. how can they be met?
c. How does Russia stand in the way of them being met?

Quote :

"How are you going to convince them otherwise? Figure that out and you can move them to your side. "

That is exactly why I'm here. I'm trying to figure that out by talking with you lovely people on here.

[Edited on July 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM. Reason : keep em honest]

7/16/2017 6:29:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/donald-trump-jr-jay-sekulow-secret-service/index.html

Now they are lying about secret service protective status.

7/16/2017 9:35:34 PM

Quote :

"How are you going to convince them otherwise? Figure that out and you can move them to your side."

Not to step into an Earl argument but this is what the right has figured out and the left can't. The right has dragged both mainstream parties incrementally right for decades now. Clinton basically permanently imprinted the Democrats as a center-right party for all intents and purposes.

We don't have left party anymore in this country and haven't for some time (I think Obama had intentions of being a leader of that but then Washington happened).

7/17/2017 7:50:58 AM

Stop

7/17/2017 8:41:48 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting-government-lawyer-dirt-hillary-clinton-a7844366.html

hahahahhaha

Quote :

"Jared Kushner 'did not know subject of Russia meeting as he did not read to bottom of email' President's son-in-law reportedly did not read subject line or some contents of email chain"

7/17/2017 8:59:54 AM

Just so we are all on the same page... no one here actually believes Donald Trump didn't know about this meeting either before it happened or immediately after, right?

7/17/2017 10:19:25 AM

Looks like they are giving up on denying that they colluded, Trump et al seem to be doubling down on colluding being legal and normal

7/17/2017 6:58:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r32CxeWTs1c

Russian Mob Ties

[Edited on July 18, 2017 at 7:05 AM. Reason : b]

7/18/2017 6:53:42 AM

The 8th person in the room was Ike Kaveladze, this was confirmed by his attorney. Kavadale is a senior at a real estate development company and is in charge of russian developments. kavadale is connected to aras agalarov[confirmed]

8th person at Trump Tower meeting identified
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/eighth-man-trump-tower-meeting-russia/index.html

Here is some relevant informationon kavadale:

Laundering Of Money Seen as 'Easy'
By RAYMOND BONNERNOV. 29, 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/business/laundering-of-money-seen-as-easy.html

Quote :

"A Congressional inquiry has found that it is ''relatively easy'' for foreigners to hide their identities and form shell companies here that can launder money through American banks. In a a nine-month inquiry that subpoenaed bank records, the investigators found that an unknown number of Russians and other East Europeans moved more than $1.4 billion through accounts at Citibank of New York and the Commercial Bank of San Francisco. The accounts had been opened by Irakly Kaveladze, who immigrated to the United States from Russia in 1991, according to Citibank and Mr. Kaveladze. He set up more than 2,000 corporations in Delaware for Russian brokers and then opened the bank accounts for them, without knowing who owned the corporations, according to the report by the General Accounting Office, which has not been made public."

Quote :

"More than $800 million was wired from abroad to 136 accounts that Mr. Kaveladze opened at Citibank for Russian clients, and most of that was then sent to overseas accounts, said the report, which was provided to The New York Times by government officials who want to see its findings receive maximum exposure. The report is to be released on Thursday."

Quote :

"At one time, Mr. Kaveladze helped some 50 Russian nonresident aliens obtain Citibank credit cards, and each of them used the address for one of Mr. Kaveladze's companies, International Business Creations, Citibank told the G.A.O. in its letter today. The bank was concerned and monitored the credit card accounts, finally closing them in 1996. At the time, Citibank's compliance department recommended that all of Mr. Kaveladze's accounts be closed, but the branch that handled them ''resisted,'' Citibank wrote today. It was not until four years later that the accounts were closed."

it's money laundering

7/18/2017 4:04:22 PM

There's your money connection, Mr. Mueller.

7/18/2017 5:25:04 PM

While the verdict is still out on Trump, Dana Rohrabacher is a goddamn traitor who should spend the rest of his life in jail.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-lawmaker-got-direction-from-moscow-took-it-back-to-dc

Quote :

"The trial, which would have come in the form of a congressional hearing, was scheduled for mid-June 2016 by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), a long-standing Russia ally who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe. During the hearing, Rohrabacher had planned to confront Browder with a feature-length pro-Kremlin propaganda movie that viciously attacks him—as well as at least two witnesses linked to the Russian authorities, including lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya."

Quote :

"The Daily Beast reviewed a copy of a document that was passed to Rohrabacher in Moscow in April 2016. The document, marked “confidential,” was given to Rohrabacher and Behrends. It lays out an alternate reality in which the U.S.—and the rest of the world—has been duped by a fake $230 million scandal that resulted in sanctions being imposed on 44 Russians linked to murder, corruption, or cover-ups."

Pound. Me. In. The. Ass. Prison.

[Edited on July 19, 2017 at 11:55 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2017 11:54:03 AM

Regarding that piece of shit Rohrabacher:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/top-rohrabacher-aide-fired-after-russia-revelations/534288/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=%2ASituation%20Report

Quote :

"Out. The House Foreign Affairs Committee has fired Paul Behrends, an aide to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), after The Atlantic reported on concerns in the State Department that a Rohrabacher-led 2016 congressional delegation to Russia was taking meetings with members of Russia's domestic intelligence agency. Behrends traveled on the delegation with Rohrabacher on the delegation and reportedly shares his pro-Russian views. "

7/20/2017 10:49:35 AM

Manafort Was in Debt to Pro-Russia Interests, Cyprus Records Show
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

up to $17 million in debt to russian interests before he joined trump's campaign

7/20/2017 11:08:41 AM

I apologize for having to keep doing this without posting the link but I read a breaking story from Bloomberg that Mueller has expanded the investigation to also cover Trumps business and money ties to Russia that confirms what was posted earlier. Also said it has roots on the investigation Preet Bahara (sp?) was undertaking until his firing.

This story seems to have been placed by someone close to Mueller has a direct responsive to Trump's interview in which he stated his financial ties would be a "red line" Mueller shouldn't cross. Though, to be fair to Donald, he did not explicitly say it would cause him to ask DoJ to fire him.

7/20/2017 11:19:15 AM

^I got you fam!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/politics/donald-trump-interview-jeff-sessions/index.html


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-putin-meeting-raises-red-flags-national-security-experts-n784601

Quote :

"Presidential historian Michael Beschloss said he can only recall one instance of a U.S. president letting a Russian handle translation duties — Richard Nixon, in a May 1972 summit with Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev. Nixon, said Beschloss, wrote in his memoirs that he thought Brezhnev would "speak more freely." President Donald Trump's just-disclosed hourlong meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the G-20 summit — using a Kremlin translator, with no national security staff present — may have damaged U.S. interests, according to some national security experts. With no other witness or note-taker of the sort normally present on the American side, there's no guarantee that Trump or Putin's words were translated correctly — or that Trump didn't give away more classified information, as he did when top Russian officials came to the White House in May. Experts who spoke to NBC News also said the impromptu tête-à-têtein Germany, while not unprecedented, represented a break with protocol. Presidential historian Michael Beschloss said he can only recall one instance of a U.S. president letting a Russian handle translation duties — Richard Nixon, in a May 1972 summit with Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev. Nixon, said Beschloss, wrote in his memoirs that he thought Brezhnev would "speak more freely." Still, said Beschloss, it's "very bad practice." He said that such an impromptu meeting "raises the question of what was said between the two leaders that was so explosive that it could not be heard at the time by the secretary of state and/or the president's national security advisor." Other nations could not help but notice, said Michael McFaul, the former U.S. ambassador to Russia. "In spending so much time with Putin he was not spending time with other leaders. Both regarding substance and symbolism, that's important," said McFaul. Trump attended the July 7 dinner closing the summit in Hamburg with more than 30 world leaders and their spouses. At one point, he left his seat next to the Japanese prime minister and headed for an open chair next to Putin."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-russia-scandal-now-threatens-to-ensnare-ivanka

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342845-trump-warns-mueller-against-investigating-his-familys-finances-beyond

Quote :

"President Trump warned special counsel Robert Mueller from investigating his family’s finances beyond the scope of the probe into ties between his administration and Russia in an interview with The New York Times on Wednesday. “I think that’s a violation. Look, this is about Russia,” Trump told The Times. Trump during the interview said he wasn’t ruling out firing Mueller as special counsel on the Russia probe. He did not say that he would order the Justice Department to fire Mueller or under what circumstances he would fire him, but he indicated Mueller investigating his family's finances would cross a line."

7/20/2017 11:39:36 AM

Exxon get fined $2mil for violating Russian sanctions circa 2014.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/20/treasury-fines-exxonmobil-2-million-for-violating-russia-sanctions-while-secretary-of-state-tillerson-was-ceo.html
Tillerson was CEO.

7/20/2017 11:50:50 AM

It really does just speak to the point that several people have made here - it's Russian oligarchs versus American oligarchs, second, and oligarchs versus us normal people, first.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/19/investing/apple-google-microsoft-cash/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom

"We can't bring it back, you'll tax it! We want to use it to create jobs!"

No, you want to return it to the shareholders and pay out executive bonuses.

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM. Reason : a]

7/20/2017 11:52:52 AM

^^^^https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/20/trump-set-a-red-line-for-robert-mueller-and-now-mueller-has-reportedly-crossed-it/?utm_term=.a9a667a0fb8b

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 1:37 PM. Reason : a]

7/20/2017 1:37:03 PM

July 20.

First pardon stories. Probably bullshit but the stories have arrived.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html

7/20/2017 9:22:58 PM

I still can't believe the term "McCarthyism" was used in regards to all of this on here recently

7/20/2017 11:04:00 PM

There are some similarities to what the Mensch followers of the world are doing and McCarthyism.

That said, what they are doing and claiming is the same thing that I rightfully got blasted for about Sanders turned Trump supporters. They are out there but not even close to a size worth talking about. And certainly people who have an interest in the Russia investigation aren't ALL like that.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 6:18 AM. Reason : X]

7/21/2017 6:17:42 AM

From the article:

Quote :

"Some of President Trump’s lawyers are exploring ways to limit or undercut special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Russia investigation, building a case against what they allege are his conflicts of interest and discussing the president’s authority to grant pardons, according to people familiar with the effort."

Seriously? These high powered lawyers' defense is gonna consist of r_the Donald accusations that Mueller once gave money to Hillary? I hope 10s of thousands of dollars on legal fees would produce a better plan than that.

7/21/2017 6:34:34 AM

^In the current climate it may be their best shot. The television media will publish and run with every accusation they make, no matter how outlandish, because it'll give them their bullshit ratings.

1) Forces Mueller to constantly have to deny things and puts him on the defensive publicly
2) Will likely result in an increase in the amount of idiots writing/calling their representatives demanding investigations into the investigator

That second point could have an impact on how Congress reacts and who knows how they could end up interfering/fucking this up.

Everything about this entire situation concerns the fuck out of me so quite frankly, I hope there are zero conflicts to be found because even the appearance of any will turn this into a bigger shit show than it already is.

Trump voters don't believe Jared Kushner met with any Russians and the motherfucker admitted it himself and released his own emails. That's the level of intellect with which we are dealing in this situation.

7/21/2017 9:53:53 AM

Trump voters don't give a shit about Kushner, and they're tired of hearing about Russia.

7/21/2017 11:19:18 AM

aww they're tired?

Maybe if they hadn't voted for a pathological lying dipshit reality TV star they wouldn't have to hear about it so much.

7/21/2017 11:24:51 AM

what they actually hear is a bunch of whining coming from people that are still looking for a reason as to how they lost the 2016 election, after assuming 2008 Obama was the beginning of the era of the unstoppable Democratic party. Trump supporters hear the Russia narrative blasted on TV and interpret it as the death rattle of the opposition. To many, the presidential election was about nothing more than Supreme Court seats, and their vote was validated the day Gorsuch passed through the Senate.

7/21/2017 11:31:09 AM

The persecution complex of Trump supporters is adorable. Yeah, everyone is just wanting to find reasons to hate Trump and dig up dirt on him. It couldn't possibly be the fact the literally lies about everything and pivots more than a hip hop dancer in a music video. Wake the fuck up already.

7/21/2017 11:37:20 AM

^^I haven't heard a single person or news report say "Hillary lost because of Russia."

So you guys need to stop trumpeting that.

Quote :

"To many, the presidential election was about nothing more than Supreme Court seats, and their vote was validated the day Gorsuch passed through the Senate."

Validate this with a statistic?

Quote :

"Trump supporters hear the Russia narrative blasted on TV and interpret it as the death rattle of the opposition."

Refer to my comments regarding the intellect of Trump supporters. Or, perhaps, it would be more accurate for me to refer to critical reasoning/reading comprehension rather than simply saying intellect. Intellect comes across as broadly insulting.

What we are really whining about is a low-level, borderline act-of-war and the possibility that our own President and his family/friends are effectively traitors.

Moving along...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/19/with-trump-and-russia-its-all-about-the-money/?utm_term=.6c6d0cadce83

Quote :

"A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. Some ran a worldwide high-stakes gambling ring out of Trump Tower — in a unit directly below one owned by Trump. Others provided Trump with lucrative branding deals that required no investment on his part. Taken together, the flow of money from Russia provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics. “They saved his bacon,” says Kenneth McCallion, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Reagan administration who investigated ties between organized crime and Trump’s developments in the 1980s."

And that's just the public record.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 12:56 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 12:53:11 PM

so the lawyer who was "not an agent of russia" and was "planted by obama and/or democrats" to talk about "adoptions" had previously represented the FSB in a court case


Exclusive: Moscow lawyer who met Trump Jr. had Russian spy agency as client
Documents obtained by Reuters show Moscow lawyer has ties to Russian spy agency
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-moscow-lawyer-met-trump-jr-had-russian-131728779--sector.html

7/21/2017 1:37:54 PM

Quote :

" ^I haven't heard a single person or news report say "Hillary lost because of Russia.""

Quote :

" “I was on the way to winning until the combination of Jim Comey’s letter on October 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off — and the evidence for that intervening event is, I think, compelling [and] persuasive,” Clinton said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-russian-hackers-and-comey-for-2016-election-loss/2017/05/02/e62fef72-2f60-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html

7/21/2017 3:40:06 PM

^Thank you.

Quote :

"what they actually hear is a bunch of whining coming from people that are still looking for a reason as to how they lost the 2016 election"

This quote is referencing voters, not Hillary Clinton. In that context is how I responded.

7/21/2017 3:45:57 PM

A lot of her voters and sycophants are also blaming Russia as well. I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're trying to make

7/21/2017 3:51:13 PM

The distinction I was trying to make was that the press is not publishing stories about Russia/Trump because Hillary lost the election, they are publishing these stories because they are newsworthy, serious and warranting of public discourse.

Of course there are people out there that think Hillary lost because of it. Their opinions are not relevant when it comes to the validity of the reporting. And the fact that there are Trump supporters that think the reporting is only happening because people think it caused Hillary's loss are being intellectually dishonest.

And Hillary supporters who think she lost because of it are also being intellectually dishonest.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 3:55:41 PM

set em up

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2017 3:59:33 PM