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"Except that it allows the defense to basically play 5 on 4 which puts a ton of pressure on the rest of the team offensively."

We rarely have 3 ACC level talent players on the court at the same time offensivley the last 5 seasons, let alone 4. Usually, it's two the last 3 seasons and occasionally one. If we ever had 4 guys that were legitimate ACC level threats to score on the floor at the same time we'd win the ACC, and most likely any other team would run the table in their conference not in the Big East. Duke, many times had 3 threats with Lance Thomas and Zoubek on the floor. They won the national title. The issue is what a person considers a legitmate ACC threat to score. Tracy Smith is obviously. Wood flashed at times, but I wouldn't consider his freshman campaign to be that. Javi, not really at the ACC level. Howell, Painter, Mays, Horner, Vand, nope.

Anybody that can handle the ball and force tempo and not turn it over can thrive in the college game. His being a liability on defense is much more of a concern than his inability to score offensively, to me.

11/2/2010 4:06:27 PM

Oh I don't want some guy out there that can't shoot, I'm just saying that as long as he can make an open shot then he'll be fine. As long as he can get around 8-10 ppg while dishing out 5+ apg I'd be pretty happy.

11/2/2010 4:10:36 PM

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"And a lot shorter than the average forward/center, who he will also have to pass around in order to move the ball. I am not saying I think the kid is a bust, I am just saying it will be interesting to see if he can keep up the awesome flash he has against larger opponents."

all i have to say is because frankly i don't think i need to point out how silly of an argument this is.

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"Oh I don't want some guy out there that can't shoot, I'm just saying that as long as he can make an open shot then he'll be fine. As long as he can get around 8-10 ppg while dishing out 5+ apg I'd be pretty happy."

Agreed. A guy doesn't have to be a great shooter as long as he can hit an open shot and shoot decently from the stripe. Give him good ball skills, keep him from turning the ball over, and play decent defense and you have yourself a solid role player, which is what I expect Lewis to end up being.


[Edited on November 2, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/2/2010 6:27:44 PM

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"you guys get too worked up about recruits."

11/2/2010 7:21:05 PM

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"this is the recruiting thread"

11/2/2010 7:44:42 PM

it's got nothing on pp

11/2/2010 7:58:02 PM

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"We rarely have 3 ACC level talent players on the court at the same time offensivley the last 5 season"

what the hell is "ACC level talent"? Are you referring to all-ACC caliber players, or are you insinuating that the players who make up the ACC are not talented enough to even play in the ACC? kids who play in the ACC are ACC level talent players since they make up the ACC...

what a weird statement/post

11/2/2010 8:38:50 PM

^^^ it used to be about recruiting news. now it's about people who have never seen a kid play saying how they think he'll do in two years.

11/2/2010 9:43:56 PM

^QFT

11/2/2010 11:00:38 PM

Hopefully he can make it down to the GSK this year so we can watch him play.

I guess not because the teams look like they have already been decided. The Bhullar twins will be there, so get excited whomever was excited about them on the last page.

[Edited on November 2, 2010 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ....]

11/2/2010 11:36:13 PM

You guys are right. You can't win with an undersized, pass-first PG. It's just too much of a defensive liability.

Signed,

Monte Towe
1974 ACC Champion, NCAA Champion, has his jersey hanging in the rafters

11/3/2010 7:54:32 AM

Sure, you don't need to be a shooter at all...if you've got David Thompson.

11/3/2010 8:27:23 AM

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"Sure, you don't need to be a shooter at all...if you've got David Thompson and Tommy Burleson"

ftfy

11/3/2010 8:35:52 AM

don't forget burleson

11/3/2010 8:36:10 AM

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"all i have to say is because frankly i don't think i need to point out how silly of an argument this is."

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"Unlike our in-house recruiting guru, Brick Oettinger, and our recruiting guru-at large, I don’t make it out to too many of the spring/summer travel team events. But since the Bob Gibbons Tournament Of Champions is pretty much in my backyard, I did venture out over Memorial Day weekend to check out the top upcoming hoopos talent. I sat at one end of the Dean Dome and watched a procession of elite recruits play, from J.P. Tokoto to Cody Zeller to Montrezl Harrell to Joseph Uchebo. But the player who was the most discussed by far was 2012 point guard - and recent N.C. State commitment - Tyler Lewis. Something about Lewis’ game seemed to polarize opinions. On one side are those who love the way the 5-foot-10, 155-pound point guard plays. They love the way he handles the ball so naturally, moving in and out of traffic with his head up, always looking for an open teammate, always looking to push tempo. They love his pure point guard mentality, preferring a good pass to a shot, seeking to make his teammates better. They love his leadership and his competitiveness. They point out that other players love playing with him. “They like his unselfishness,” said ACCSports.com recruiting analyst Brick Oettinger. “That’s been pretty obvious from watching him in various venues. He’s a popular player.” Oettinger also sees many of the positive attributes that others see in Lewis. But he ranked Lewis just No. 61 in his Class of 2012 late summer rankings because he also understand the concerns of the anti-Lewis crowd. “Issue number one is his size,” Oettinger said. “Your very best point guards are for the most part bigger and even more athletic than he is. “Because of that I’ve seen him a few times just be physically overmatched against the best guys. And you do face some of the best point guards in the ACC.” Oettinger also has concerns about Lewis’ jumper. “I’ve seen him have difficulty getting off good perimeter jump shots against your quicker, bigger athletes at point guard,” Oettinger said. “When he has to rush a little bit, that’s when his shots flatten out and normally don’t go in.” Because of those concerns, Oettinger doesn’t see Lewis as a future starter for an upper division ACC team. So you’d basically put him in the non-believer camp when it comes to Lewis. N.C. State believed in Lewis enough to pursue him. So did other ACC schools, such as Miami, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest. Whether they all thought of him as in impact player or as a future role player remains to be seen. As for me, I’ll waffle on this. I just haven’t seen him enough to make a decision. There were times when he was so much fun to watch. Every time his team got a defensive rebound I’d get a feeling of anticipation, waiting for him to get the ball in his hands – it was always in his hands on every possession – and push it up court. At those moments he looked very much like an ACC-caliber point guard to me. But then there were times when he’d make a very nice move, accelerate past his defender and then … get his shot swatted when he tried to finish at the basket. At those times he looked like an ACC backup to me, a change-of-pace guard but not someone you want playing 30 minutes a night. Eventually, we’ll find out which side was right about Lewis. Until then, expect the debate to rage on."

http://www.accsports.com/blogs/jim-young/201011018923/the-curious-case-of-tyler-lewis.php

Apparently, one of his biggest problems was getting his shots swatted by significantly taller players, and shooting flat shots when they get up in his face....Size is an issue, especially as you move from high school to college ball. I'm not saying he doesn't have time to improve, I'm just saying it's possible he's a dud.

[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM. Reason : bolded for emphasis. ]

11/3/2010 11:32:10 AM

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"I'm not saying he doesn't have time to improve, I'm just saying it's possible he's a dud. "

Thanks for the insight. Its possible a high school junior gets better, its possible he doesnt. Got it.

11/3/2010 11:38:06 AM

he may very well be a dud, but that writeup is pretty pathetic. a LOT of guards get their shit rejected and Lewis, like a lot of other guards, also get their fair share of shots off and And-1's against bigger guys too. Wonder how many times spud web got rejected while he was in High school, i'd imagine quite a few times. Dude played in the NBA though

11/3/2010 11:50:35 AM

^^Damn, when you just read the one post it's almost as if I'm just making random common sense statements....


I was backing up my argument that a mobile, through traffic, yet small point guard can have a difficult time adjusting to basketball against a lot of near 7 foot guys around the basket with long arms. He moves the ball well, no doubt. He has flash, no doubt. But before we go suckin this kids nuts for being the next great guard we have coming through, I think we should be critical about his ability to game against bigger guys. I haven't seen a video of this kid at the travel team game. I don't know how many swats he experienced, but from the article it was more than once, and how many is really acceptable? It's a problem a taller guard wouldn't have, just sayin.

I'm glad he's with the pack, though. I hope he doe well.

11/3/2010 12:49:31 PM

Let's shift focus back to Tyler Harris, who is announcing on Friday. I have no idea what the pack pride premium guys are saying, but the other boards I've read seem to think he is Providence bound. What have others read?

FWIW I don't think he's all that, but I've been wrong a painful amount of times.

11/3/2010 12:53:59 PM

i'd be willing to bet that every point guard that shoots the ball in high school gets shots swatted occasionaly. the kid's a rising junior. i don't think anybody (who's rational) is sucking his nuts. i take back my semi-snide comment to simonn earlier. some of you do get way too worked up about recruits.

[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2010 12:55:34 PM

AstralEngine thinks we need a 7ft point guard apparently

In all seriousness though, give it up. You said something stupid and got called on it, big deal. Just admit you were wrong and move on. It happens to everyone.

11/3/2010 12:55:47 PM

if Sidney and Monte were able to transform Javi Gonzalez into a serviceable PG in the ACC, I am confident that they will be able to maximize Tyler Lewis' potential

11/3/2010 12:56:55 PM

Pass-first smallish white point guards can't be successful in the ACC.


Signed,
Chris Corchiani

11/3/2010 12:57:51 PM

7 foot? Of course not, but not 5 foot either. I personally feel like 5'10 is too short

[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 1:19 PM. Reason : 5, not 6, 6'10 would be a little ridiculous]

11/3/2010 1:18:44 PM

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"Pass-first smallish white point guards can't be successful in the ACC. Signed, Chris Corchiani"

Chris Corchiani was not a pass first point guard coming into NC State. He scored like crazy in high school, setting state records in Florida for scoring at the time. Even at State he was still a scorer who just happened to be a great passer as well. Helped that he had Rodney Monroe to pass it to. Might not have had a good amount of assists if not for him.

11/3/2010 1:21:15 PM

Tyler Lewis' 20 per isnt bad. We should just stick to recruiting the Monsters from Space Jam and Professor Farnsworth's Mutant Atomic Supermen.

11/3/2010 1:24:35 PM

Even though he may the most negative and miserable sports talk poster, I'm starting to see simonn's point about some of you people in this thread.

^^
And I agree, Corchiani could have easily been a 20 pts per game scorer his last two seasons if his role called for it.

11/3/2010 1:26:02 PM

i don't get all the hate for lewis.

11/3/2010 1:40:38 PM

^He's short and white, playing a position dominated by African Americans with a recent trend towards taller, stronger guards (John Wall, Derrick Rose)

11/3/2010 1:54:09 PM

^^ seconded. Seriously save the hate for when he starts playing like Farnold Degand on a fastbreak, stop critizing him when he hasn't even been committed to State for more than two weeks.

Hopefully we'll land Harris too so we can come up with some lame nickname for the two Tylers.



[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 1:54 PM. Reason : k]

11/3/2010 1:54:13 PM

I really wanted him, I think he'll be surprisingly good, at worst a solid back up. He'll be better than the Javi part deux we are looking at.

11/3/2010 1:58:27 PM

BIG DANDY TYLER? ^^

11/3/2010 2:14:14 PM

^^^ PSYCHO T'S

11/3/2010 2:18:02 PM

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"Even though he may the most negative and miserable sports talk poster..."

11/3/2010 2:19:29 PM

Haha, that may have been a bit over the top, but you are definitely known to bring the negativity. I feel your pain, it's a permanent fixture in any State fans' DNA. And, if you're truly anti-Herb, I can never hate you.

11/3/2010 2:22:04 PM

EBONY and IVORY ^^^^

11/3/2010 2:22:48 PM

JUST to clarify, I harbor no hate for Tyler. If he manages two more inches before college, he'll still be between 2 and 3 inches smaller than the average ACC guard. It's just something to think about while we watch him grow up.

Tyler Harris - What's special about this kid? I don't know much about him

11/3/2010 2:26:35 PM

mother fucking ty lawson was only 5'10", 5'11" depending where you look, probably more like 5'8".

being 5'10" DOES NOT prohibit you from playing pg in the acc.

11/3/2010 2:28:26 PM

Tyler Lewis a fucking 4 star recruit, as in ****. When the powers that be decided to give him his rating they didn't look at white people only, and decide he was a *****(white) recruit. They consider the athletic ability of his peers, yes even the black ones, when labeling his talent/potential level. Everyone complaining is fucking ridiculous.

[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2010 2:32:57 PM

Well, damn. I was looking for more evidence to back me up, and I found this instead

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"he average heights are: Point Guard: 5'10" and anywhere below - 6'3" Shooting Guard: 6'3"- 6-7" Small Forward: 6'6"- 6'11" Power Forward: 6'9" - 7'0" Center: 6'10"- anywhere above"

Sooo. I stand corrected.

11/3/2010 2:32:58 PM

^Yeah...you were pretty dumb on that one.

Even though the last few stuperstar point guards in college basketball (Rose and Wall), were bigger, stronger point guards...point guards in college are still relatively short. There are a very small percentage of the Deron Williams/Rose/Wall/Jarret Jack types out there. They just usually stand out because they're so friggin good.

11/3/2010 2:38:57 PM

^^ It took 2 pages before you realized your argument was stupid as fuck.

CONGRATUFUCKINGLATIONS

11/3/2010 2:41:33 PM

wow... Way to be an asshole even after you win. Real stand up message board posting there.


[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2010 2:47:01 PM

Tyler Lewis' high school has the following games on their basketball schedule:

12/7: @ Oak Hill
1/7: @ Ravenscroft
1/19: @ Cary Academy

11/3/2010 2:51:25 PM

^^LOL you were still being dense after at least 5 different people called you on how idiotic you sounded

[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2010 2:51:42 PM

Hey, I was under the obviously wrong impression that guards were generally in the 6'2"-6'3" range. How about next time you show me the information I found myself right off the bat? Then I'll give your opinion more credence.

And before you continue raging, I never said the kid was gonna be horrible because he's small, I just thought it would make a difference.

I don't wanna get in a copy and paste argument with you and derail this thread (again) for the next several pages. Can we just e-shake hands and move on?

11/3/2010 2:55:19 PM

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"How about next time you show me the information I found myself right off the bat? Then I'll give your opinion more credence. "

How about you actually watch some of the sport that you're arguing about. Then we might actually read what you post.

11/3/2010 3:04:08 PM

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"wow... Way to be an asshole even after you win. Real stand up message board posting there."

I apologize for not caring QUITE enough about NCAA basketball to know the size of every point guard I see playing when I watch... My bad

11/3/2010 3:09:42 PM

Tyler Lewis is 6'2" in platforms.

11/3/2010 4:15:55 PM

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"if Sidney and Monte were able to transform Javi Gonzalez into a serviceable PG in the ACC, I am confident that they will be able to maximize Tyler Lewis' potential"

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11/3/2010 5:12:32 PM