yeah fuck herb

winning ACC records, NCAA appearances, national rankings,

i mean who needs that shit??


oh shit page 2

1/19/2011 1:26:47 AM

i mean who needs 1 Sweet 16 in 10 years?

1/19/2011 1:41:02 AM

and lowe has improved on that how?

1/19/2011 1:41:43 AM

did herb make that sweet sixteen in his 4th year?

1/19/2011 8:22:11 AM

why do we still compare lowe to herb???

herb sucked in his own ways... sidney is WORSE in his own ways, but comparing failures is a waste of time.

time for a new coach

1/19/2011 8:33:15 AM

*screams "FOOOOOWLLEEEERRRRRRR" and shoots a gun repeatedly at the sky like in Point Break*

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 8:44 AM. Reason : whoa]

1/19/2011 8:44:19 AM

250 pages by midnight?

1/19/2011 8:53:05 AM

...if you have anything to do with it!!!!!1

1/19/2011 9:12:09 AM

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"why do we still compare lowe to herb??? herb sucked in his own ways... sidney is WORSE in his own ways, but comparing failures is a waste of time. time for a new coach"

absolutely.

it will be interesting to hear how many boos ring out tonight. there was a pretty loud chorus of boos during the Youngstown State game, but depending on the size of the massacre tonight, it could surpass it.

1/19/2011 10:21:50 AM

I do think that Lowe looks pretty silly when he's standing on the sideline 95% of the time. Looks like he has not a clue what's going on, waving his arms and whistling in a frenzy.

1/19/2011 10:23:02 AM

I got a weird feeling we might win tonight.

I just hope that we win and it gives our team confidence and momentum to actually do something in this fucking horrible conference this year.

But if we win, then continue to fuck around the rest of the year and miss the tournament, and we use the, "Well we beat #1 Duke two years in a row (I know they aren't #1 now), this team is getting the right amount of talent!" type excuses...then I will be pissed.

1/19/2011 10:30:16 AM

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"it will be interesting to hear how many boos ring out tonight. there was a pretty loud chorus of boos during the Youngstown State game,"

nah, not really. i was there, and while there were some boos, it wasnt' a "pretty loud chorus", as you suggest, and i think the short-lived booing was mainly directed at the players' poor performance in the first half. i actually let out a boo when we were down 3-21.

man, your agenda is so obvious. you really hate sid, don't you? you really want him fail and get booed, don't you?

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:34 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 10:33:41 AM

Don't like the fact that people are booing him. Back in the day I could understand booing. The AD wouldn't make a move short of a lunatic fringe showing up at his front door with torches and pitch forks. Booing was the result of witnessing a clueless administration. Maybe some people thought that booing would clue them in.

Support the team and the coach. I've got to have faith that the new AD will make the right call in light of the actual production and after weighing available options.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:37 AM. Reason : -]

1/19/2011 10:36:14 AM

But if we don't boo they won't know how dang mad we are!!

1/19/2011 10:39:00 AM

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"was there, and while there were some boos, it wasnt' a "pretty loud chorus", as you suggest, and i think the short-lived booing was mainly directed at the players' poor performance in the first half. i actually let out a boo when we were down 3-21. man, your agenda is so obvious. you really hate sid, don't you? you really want him fail and get booed, don't you?"

from lower level (sec. 119), it was pretty significant. nothing like the Amato years, but the old dudes around me were definitely letting him have it. and, you're exactly right, it was all in the first half.

i like sid as a person. i think he's a really nice guy. i saw most of what i needed to see from him in year 2 and have been ready for him to go since the end of year 2. so, i am obviously very ready for him to move on by now since he continues to be a dreadful and under-achieving coach.

i should probably re-phrase that ---- i have known since the end of year 2 that he wasn't going to get it done, but obviously would never push to remove a coach before his 4th year. i think most anyone who has ever played organized ball could watch our team defense and complete disarray on offense, as well as our complete collapses in many games where Lowe got pwnt by an opposing coach and failed to adjust, his obvious inability to handle personalities that we saw in year 2, and his bat shit crazy substitution patterns. and realize early on how terribad he was.

the only reason i can possibly fathom some of y'all supporting him so much now is nostalgia (ie. what he did for us 30 years ago). i honestly can't see what anyone else sees in the dude. recruiting + nostalgia.... that's it.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 10:52:02 AM

I'm about to start booing in this thread

1/19/2011 10:57:38 AM

Booing at a college game is pretty sad. First, even if you say you're booing the coach, the players can't discern that. Second, it just looking fucking horrible from an outsider's point of view, and we don't need that kind of attention on our program. We already look shitty enough on the basketball court, no need to make it look even worse.

Protest your displeasure by not showing up for the game, stop giving money to the Wolfpack Club, write a letter to Debbie, etc. But don't boo at the games.

1/19/2011 11:02:20 AM

^^that would be pretty badass.

i'm not a big boo'er myself, but i do enjoy the lulz when retards around me boo the coach. i did, admittedly, boo the shit out of amato and his jiffy lube ad. but just once.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:02:39 AM

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"I like sid as a person. i think he's a really nice guy."

Really? Is this how you talk about people you like and think are really nice:

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"Sidiot is the kindest moniker possible for that mouth breather."

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM. Reason : Alias Trollllll has some sort of personal grudge against the coach]

1/19/2011 11:05:10 AM

Toms Housefoolery

1/19/2011 11:06:24 AM

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"No I am talking about when she was dancing with the dance team as well. But yeah defend talking shit to his daughter."

i sat in front of that girl at least 10 times during sendek's last season and no one ever said a word to her about the terrible job that herb was doing.

now quickly put words in my mouth.

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"yeah fuck herb winning ACC records, NCAA appearances, national rankings, i mean who needs that shit??"

if you look back at "ncaa appearances" and think "man, those seasons were great", then stop watching state basketball. just become a full out duke fan like you want to. i don't need some idiot going around leading people to believe that all we want out of our program is to break .500 in the acc.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:07:29 AM

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"i did, admittedly, boo the shit out of amato and his jiffy lube ad. but just once."

That's borderline okay for that clown...and also because booing his jiffy lube ad cannot be confused with booing the actual team.

I almost drunkenly punched a dude who booed for Jay Davis at the Miami/ESPN gameday game a few years back. It was probably because he thought Stone could do a better job moreso than him actually booing a player...which is still just wrong.

1/19/2011 11:08:29 AM

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"I almost drunkenly punched a dude who booed for Jay Davis at the Miami/ESPN gameday game a few years back. It was probably because he thought Stone could do a better job moreso than him actually booing a player...which is still just wrong. "

I almost did the exact same thing at the exact same game

Right during the t-shirt toss

Also, Jay Davis' girlfriend lived across from me at University Woods and several times he was booed in our parking lot

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM. Reason : wrong but hilarious]

1/19/2011 11:10:45 AM

Was she hot?

Seems like a Miggs style "I can smell your cunt" cat call would be in order

1/19/2011 11:15:47 AM

I wonder if he ever got booed when he was the door man at Flying Saucer?

1/19/2011 11:16:31 AM

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"Well we beat #1 Duke two years in a row (I know they aren't #1 now)"

They weren't #1 when we beat them last year. The game tonight rests on us being able to keep our bigs out of foul trouble. It being Duke, I expect 2 fouls on Smith well before the halfway point of the first half. Leslie will probably get a technical.

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" i saw most of what i needed to see from him in year 2 and have been ready for him to go since the end of year 2. so, i am obviously very ready for him to move on by now since he continues to be a dreadful and under-achieving coach."

So you made your mind up on a coach after 2 seasons? Sounds really reasonable. It is also really funny that you made your mind up after a season in which our starting PG was out with a knee injury. It was a miserable season but I think most people understood using a mixture of Fells, Grant, Johnson, and Gonzalez at the point wasn't going to get good results in the ACC.

We have had poor PG play the entire time Lowe has been here (our best play was from a converted SG with half a hamstring). It could be on Lowe or it could be that the players we have had playing point are injured/shitty. We will know by the end of this season because finally there is talent at the position.

1/19/2011 11:17:15 AM

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" They weren't #1 when we beat them last year."

They won the national championship genius. Hence the several "we beat the best team in the country last year" statements I've seen from many ardent Sidney supporters this year.

Which has also brought out the "they just beat the #1 team" comments after we got bitch-slapped by FSU.

I fucking hate those comments.

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"I almost did the exact same thing at the exact same game"

We're kindred spirits Ernie, just admit it.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:19:49 AM

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"they just beat the #1 team"

Duke was #1 when FSU beat them genius

1/19/2011 11:23:08 AM

^That wasn't my point Corky.

I'm saying I just don't like the comments about "beating a #1 team." It fucking happens...it doesn't automatically make your team credible. There are several factors that go into every win/loss. Some teams match-up better, the better team could have a bad shooting night, the lesser team could just go unconscious and everything just goes right.

Our Les Robinson teams were horrible, yet we managed to consistently get wins over much better UNC teams. That didn't make Les a great coach. And I bet it didn't make other teams feel any better when they lost to a Les Robinson-led State team because "hey, they just beat UNC." It's fucking horrible excuse to feel better about a loss.

1/19/2011 11:27:20 AM

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"We have had poor PG play the entire time Lowe has been here (our best play was from a converted SG with half a hamstring). It could be on Lowe or it could be that the players we have had playing point are injured/shitty. We will know by the end of this season because finally there is talent at the position."

srs question.

what have you seen this year, with a senior level point guard that he has had 4 years to groom and an outstanding freshman pg, that makes you think the remainder of this season will be any different?

the recruiting argument is a strong one for keeping lowe, but it was also used to keep Hreb. a good carpenter doesn't blame his tools, and that's what it comes down to with me. i don't even see any evidence of lowe coaching them up, regardless of their perceived talent level out of h.s. (in javi's case).

1/19/2011 11:28:43 AM

My desire for the team to succeed this year is based mostly on wanting to take a giant fat dump on this thread in two months, moreso than school pride or whatever.

1/19/2011 11:36:57 AM

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" I almost did the exact same thing at the exact same game"

If you almost punched/tackled students running down to rush the court six years ago when we were beating a top 5 Wake Forest team with less than a minute left...then we could be separated at birth.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 11:37:55 AM

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" don't even see any evidence of lowe coaching them up,"

i see evidence of every non-freshman player improving over the years, some more than others. do you disagree? is that "coaching them up"? the javi argument is very old. he was never expected to be an all-acc pg. he's much better than he was a freshman. but he's not great, and he's still very insconsistent. and he seems to have regressed some this year, so far. i have a hard time blaming sid for that.

1/19/2011 11:38:01 AM

I harassed the ever-living shit out of a kid in a Trajan Langdon jersey sitting in the 300s when we beat Duke in 04 or 05

Does that ring a bell

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:39 AM. Reason : not a minor, a student]

1/19/2011 11:39:26 AM

Dennis Horner sure did improve a lot

1/19/2011 11:41:46 AM

I usually stay away haggling opposing fans unless they are talking to shit to me and we are actually winning. Since that doesn't happen much, I don't get a lot of practice at it.

I did make several UNC fans cry at a game in the Dean Dome during the Doherty/Hodge era. I was in the student section and was getting verbally abused pretty hard the entire game. Then Hodge hit a tame tying jumper at the top of the key to send it it to overtime and we pretty much took control after that. They regretted giving me a hard time during the game...and my UNC friend regretted hooking me up with the ticket.

1/19/2011 11:44:30 AM

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"I'm saying I just don't like the comments about "beating a #1 team." It fucking happens...it doesn't automatically make your team credible. There are several factors that go into every win/loss. Some teams match-up better, the better team could have a bad shooting night, the lesser team could just go unconscious and everything just goes right."

It does automatically increase the credibility of your team in the eyes of selection/ ranking but I get your point. There are fluke wins/ losses. I would say that the FSU Duke game wasn't a fluke though FSU beat their ass on the boards and inside pretty thoroughly.

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"with a senior level point guard that he has had 4 years to groom and an outstanding freshman pg, that makes you think the remainder of this season will be any different?"

Javi isn't wasn't and would never be an ACC caliber PG. Undersized freshmen PG's who didn't play defense in HS take time to develop. IF this season doesn't turn around I will be in the Lowe isn't the coach for us bandwagon but I am giving it till the end of the season given the youth of our team.

1/19/2011 11:51:32 AM

players are going to gradually get better as they age, regardless of coach. (javi's regression this season aside)

by "coaching them up", for clarity, i also mean the teams don't improve or don't play above their talent levels, ever.

t-10th
t-11th (actually 12th, which is why we didn't play in the acc/big ten challenge)
10th
t-9th (but by tiebreaker, i think we were 10th or 11th)

same shit, every year, even with players he has had multiple years to work with, and adjust to "his system".... whatever that system is. horrible defense and lack of an efficient offense seem to be his system.

1/19/2011 11:52:49 AM

Why is boozie posting under this jetpack guy's account

1/19/2011 11:55:15 AM

^^^^I remember that game, me and some TWWers were in the alumni section

if looks could kill, we would be dead. when we took control in overtime, i turned around and said WHAT NOW MOTHER FUCKERS?? and got pelted with drinks, popcorn, etc

fun times.

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"if you look back at "ncaa appearances" and think "man, those seasons were great", then stop watching state basketball. just become a full out duke fan like you want to. i don't need some idiot going around leading people to believe that all we want out of our program is to break .500 in the acc."

maybe the herb years werent super great, but they were better than now. i was a "full out" duke fan till i came to state, now this is the game that makes my head hurt. finishing over .500 in the ACC isnt all we want, but its a step that has to be taken to reach higher things.

1/19/2011 11:57:03 AM

the herb years were worse than now. at least we can fire this guy. herb was right in the bubble of too good to fire but too bad to make nc state basketball fun. it was miserable.

1/19/2011 12:01:43 PM

Whole different argument -- but if I'd have known what the last 4+ years would have been like, I'd have signed up for another five of Herb in a heartbeat.

I like being relevant and actually having important games...

1/19/2011 12:02:55 PM

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"Whole different argument -- but if I'd have known what the last 4+ years would have been like, I'd have signed up for another five of Herb in a heartbeat. I like being relevant and actually having important games..."

absolutely.

of course, the perceived pressure surrounding our program for supposedly running off hreb also hurt our prospects, imho. (that + fowler).

now, no coach would blame us for canning lowe after these results and we have a legit AD running the search.

1/19/2011 12:08:38 PM

No one would have opted for Sid over Herb if we knew what was coming

But 1. Herb left on his own and 2. What a stupid-ass hypothetical

Also 3. Why the fuck are we still talking about Herb

1/19/2011 12:12:04 PM

i wouldn't dare call us relevant under herb.

^ it has to be done in fairness to sidney.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ^]

1/19/2011 12:12:26 PM

Pomeroy #8 in 2004!!

1/19/2011 12:12:48 PM

hahaha

Ernie should start a twitter and post only about state basketball. then i wouldn't have any reason to come to tww.

1/19/2011 12:13:31 PM

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"i wouldn't dare call us relevant under herb."

Eh, we're getting way, way off track here... but I disagree. Relevant =/ elite. We were certainly on the national scene, especially when Julius was in school. We weren't a laughingstock and we were very competitive in a strong ACC.

To Ernie's point, a lot of people are just happy that he left and could not care less what the new coach did (though, to be fair, a lot of those kooks are on Pack Pride).

1/19/2011 12:19:16 PM

ESPN promo for tonight asks "Will Duke lose another tough road game?"

1/19/2011 12:24:29 PM

I dunno, watching Herb's team play could be downright boring, whether we won or lost.

1/19/2011 12:30:00 PM