just opened my NCAA 2008...gotta wait 4 1/2 hours before I can play...but I did play the in-store on the PS3 at Best Buy and it looks fucking amazing

7/17/2007 1:23:40 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289601,00.html?sPage=fnc.technology/videogaming

Sony is already canning the reduced price 60 gig and will only offer the $599 higher end model

7/17/2007 1:24:44 PM

hi, I'm last week...have we met before?

just go back to your little ole 360 and stop trolling...you suck at it compared to others

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2007 1:26:15 PM

Ok, here's how it breaks down. Sony has (had) around 3 million 60GB PS3s sitting on store shelves. They want to get rid of them, so they can introduce the 80GB PS3. This 80GB PS3 is actually cheaper to produce than the 60GB PS3 because it completely gets rid of the PS2 hardware inside, and moves to 100% software emulation. 20GBs of hard drive space is more or less negligible price wise, and it's actually been rumored that 80GB drives are cheaper to source than 60GB drives.

So they want to get rid of this backlog of 60GB PS3s by "dropping" the price to $499.99 and replace them with the cheaper to produce 80GB model. Once the 60GBs are all gone, they will drop the price of the 80GB to $499.99. I don't see how you can criticize Sony for this move, it's extremely smart from a business standpoint. Convince people that this is their chance to get a PS3 at a reduced price, clear the shelves of all existing PS3 stock, and replace it with a cheaper to produce version which will very shortly be selling for the same $499.99 price for the holiday season.

7/17/2007 1:39:31 PM

now there's rumors of a 40gb ps3 coming out for $399...

also,
anyone have motorstorm or resistance to sell me?

7/17/2007 2:27:46 PM

^ I dunno, but you definitely need to get those games. Also, if you want to have fun with your buddies get Calling All Cars. I'm still waiting for a TWW CAC game. When the hell is that going to happen?

7/17/2007 3:58:59 PM

^^^^ how is it trolling? I was just stating what I thought to be a new fact

I was trying to keep everyone informed, but thanks for assuming that anyone with a keyboard is a total fucktard, like yourself

did I say, "OMG SONY ALREADY GOT RIDS OF IT LOLZ PS3 SUX 360 RULEZ"

no

keep trying though, maybe i'll insult your gaming console soon...be sure to call me out on it if i do!!!

7/17/2007 4:10:26 PM

looking to get the NCAA 08 rosters....can anybody help me out

7/17/2007 5:16:35 PM

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"Ok, here's how it breaks down. Sony has (had) around 3 million 60GB PS3s sitting on store shelves. They want to get rid of them, so they can introduce the 80GB PS3. This 80GB PS3 is actually cheaper to produce than the 60GB PS3 because it completely gets rid of the PS2 hardware inside, and moves to 100% software emulation. 20GBs of hard drive space is more or less negligible price wise, and it's actually been rumored that 80GB drives are cheaper to source than 60GB drives. So they want to get rid of this backlog of 60GB PS3s by "dropping" the price to $499.99 and replace them with the cheaper to produce 80GB model. Once the 60GBs are all gone, they will drop the price of the 80GB to $499.99. I don't see how you can criticize Sony for this move, it's extremely smart from a business standpoint. Convince people that this is their chance to get a PS3 at a reduced price, clear the shelves of all existing PS3 stock, and replace it with a cheaper to produce version which will very shortly be selling for the same $499.99 price for the holiday season."

Oh, I'm not saying it was a stupid move or anything like that. I like watching Sony struggle. Btw all my bashing is on Sony...as stated before, I like the ps3. The thing that I don't like about what Sony did is the following.

1. Two separate announcements about the price cut and then the new model. Introduced a much more positive spin on the price cut for a couple days then really should have been. I wonder how long Sony would have kept it a secret if they could.

2. Yeah its cheaper to produce, but will the emulation be as good as actually having PS2 components in there.

3. They should at least find a way to reward those who bought the PS3 before the price cut. I mean I would be pretty pissed off if I bought a system only to have the price lowered within a couple months.

7/17/2007 5:24:40 PM

^It's the same emulation thats been used in the PAL region PS3s since release. There have been very few complaints from owners in those regions about backwards compatibility, and its still better than the shaft Microsoft gave and is still giving XBox owners who bought a 360.

And why should Sony reward anyone? Has any company, ever, in the history of electronics "rewarded" early adopters. That's probably the stupidest thing anyone has ever said in this thread. Did Toshiba reward early adopters who spent $500 on an HD-A1 after replacing it a few months later with the cheaper and superior A2. Have AMD and Intel ever rewarded people who buy their processors and then have them drop 25-50% in price less than 2 months later. You act like Sony somehow duped or tricked people into giving up $600. If anything, dropping the price is rewarding early adopters, because it means Sony is now taking a more aggressive stance and is going to do everything they can do make sure that $600 was well spent.

7/17/2007 5:58:27 PM

off the top of my head...yes.

Nintendo: free web browser for people who got the Wii in the first couple months. Doesn't have to be big, just a small gesture of appreciation of "Hey, thanks for making our product popular."

Oh and are you fucking kidding me on the European backwards compatibility issue? Thats a big issue over there. I think right now the number is around 70% of all ps2 games have noticeable issues on the ps3.

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

Look at games which have big issues
Devil May Cry
God of War
Grand Turismo

etc Popular games, not just the shitty no name ones.

So please, before you call any ones post "the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread"..make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about

because I think

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"^It's the same emulation thats been used in the PAL region PS3s since release. There have been very few complaints from owners in those regions about backwards compatibility, and its still better than the shaft Microsoft gave and is still giving XBox owners who bought a 360."

wins that particular award


[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : stuff]

7/17/2007 6:00:17 PM

Hey now, if being able to play Motorstorm and generic console FPS #5 six months before everyone else isn't reason enough to spend $100, then I don't know what is.

7/17/2007 6:29:53 PM

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" I think right now the number is around 70% of all ps2 games have noticeable issues on the ps3. "

Yep, moron. It's 70% either run perfectly or work but with some issues, not 70% have noticeable issues. Before you go quoting dumb shit from Sony's European compatibility website, I suggest you learn to read. Honestly, stop posting in this thread.

And gee, thanks Nintendo for giving people a free ride to the world of 480p internet browsing

7/17/2007 6:31:49 PM

Um dude, The European site is the PAL region...which you were talking about. However, I do stand corrected, on the percentage thing. I wasn't very clear

So to clarify, 30% of all PS2 Games DON'T WORK. The rest prolly have some minor issues. Among those that have serious issues are the games I listed.

Is that clear enough for you fucktard?

No emotion chip = PAL region Ps3 = Europe = The new 80 gig model for the us

Oh , and the homebrew games on sites like http://www.wiicade.com keep me entertained for a fair piece of time

a

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:42 PM. Reason : wheeeeeeee]

7/17/2007 6:37:22 PM

Wait, you can read after all? Yes, it's the European region. Will US gamers be buying PAL PS3s? No. My whole comment was that European gamers havn't been complaining about their PS3s backwards compatibility, which they haven't. It's a non-issue, it's not stopping anyone from buying a PS3 in Europe. Also, NTSC backwards compatibility is almost universally better with all consoles, and that will almost certainly be the case with the new PS3. It's a cost cutting decision by Sony that will cost gamers almost nothing. The only reason they put the emotion engine in the PS3 in the first place was not to fuck over early adopters (you know, those people you wanted rewarded earlier, well there you go) like Microsoft did.

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"The rest prolly have some minor issues."

My god, you are retarded. Even that site you posted shows many many games that work with absolutely no issues.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:44 PM. Reason : :]

7/17/2007 6:43:35 PM

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"It's a non-issue, it's not stopping anyone from buying a PS3 in Europe. "

That's just because there are so many other reasons that come before it...

7/17/2007 6:46:17 PM

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"My whole comment was that European gamers havn't been complaining about their PS3s backwards compatibility, which they haven't."

YES THEY HAVE!!!!!!! MANY TIMES!!! VERY VOCAL!!!!!!

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"Also, NTSC backwards compatibility is almost universally better with all consoles"

Really? Maybe because the PS3 had an emotion chip in it over here? If for some other reason beside that please provide a link.


Oh and the list of all Game cube games that don't work on the wii....here I'll list them for you..ready?


1.




[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:48 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2007 6:46:38 PM

you guys are so fucking retarded.

the early adoptors got :



the rest got fucked.

How hard was that?

7/17/2007 6:46:41 PM

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"YES THEY HAVE!!!!!!! MANY TIMES!!! VERY VOCAL!!!!!!"

Show me.

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"Oh and the list of all Game cube games that don't work on the wii....here I'll list them for you..ready?"

Of course Gamecube games work on the Wii, hell its #1 game is Gamecube port.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:51 PM. Reason : :]

7/17/2007 6:48:49 PM

ive never even thought to put an original xbox game in the 360. not once.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 6:50 PM. Reason : . did play some gamecube ones on the wii though.]

7/17/2007 6:50:25 PM

^^what the fuck does a port have to do with emulation?

7/17/2007 6:56:28 PM

Quote :

"Show me"

Read some message boards

7/17/2007 6:57:14 PM

Lol, you want me to go read message boards to get credible information on owner dissatisfaction. You're new to the internet aren't you?

7/17/2007 7:01:18 PM

bbehe needs to

leave those fanboys aloneeeeeeeee

7/17/2007 7:02:11 PM

but its so much fun

btw

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"^^what the fuck does a port have to do with emulation?"

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 7:03 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2007 7:03:26 PM

Look, I own a Wii. I even like the thing, I think it's a pretty neat device. However, I'm not kidding myself into thinking its a next gen system. It's not. At best, it's an overclocked Gamecube in a smaller form factor with a new controller. So of course backwards compatibility is gonna be better. Hell, one of it's biggest selling points is playing decades old games on it. Have you ever tried to run old PC games on a newer machines? It's not an easy venture, and usually requires all sorts of patches and hacks. The fact that the PS3 (with our without EE) can not only play the majority of PS/PS2 games, but also upscale them and apply anti-aliasing is an impressive feat, and something it's main competition can't claim to do.

7/17/2007 7:19:57 PM

Just because it went another direction than the ps3 and xbox 360 makes it non-next gen? I suppose the PSP is also on a whole other level than the DS as well

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 7:26 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2007 7:25:40 PM

Yes and yes. Nintendo knew they couldn't compete in the hardware war with huge conglomerates like Sony and Microsoft anymore. 2 failed systems taught them that. So with the Wii, they are aiming for a completely different market and are leaving Sony and Microsoft to their own devices. Same with the PSP, Sony knew they weren't going to be able to do any significant damage Nintendo's Gameboy dominance, so they aimed the PSP at people who wanted to do more than just play games on their mobile device.

7/17/2007 7:30:03 PM

Innovation = next gen.

Nintendo starting rumble controllers, now its pretty much standard.
Nintendo adding motion sensing, Sony copied it.

The Wii is more next gen than the PS3 and the Xbox. The Wii represents the next evolution of game consoles instead of just making the graphics prettier.

7/17/2007 7:35:14 PM

i think the ps3's and (particularly) 360's online aspects are next-gen. demo's, trailers, new levels of connectivity to the console market. quite unlike any system before.

7/17/2007 7:40:27 PM

Is there any proof that Sixaxis copied Wiimote? And didn't Sony's Eyetoy predate both them? Look, you can go on and on about how the Wii is revolutionizing gaming, but as of today its best games (Zelda and RE4) are both Gamecube ports. Nintendo has delivered are really neat idea, and reaped the rewards of an attractive price point, but thats it so far. If they wanna sustain anything, they have to start delivering some games for gamers.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 7:42 PM. Reason : :]

7/17/2007 7:41:01 PM

I would agree that stuff like that should be considered next-gen. I mean the X-box live service is really amazing, and PS Home looks pretty sweet as well. Thats what makes next-gen, next gen. Not just better graphics and more memory.

7/17/2007 7:41:53 PM

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"i think the ps3's and (particularly) 360's online aspects are next-gen. demo's, trailers, new levels of connectivity to the console market. quite unlike any system before."

Now THAT is something I wish Nintendo would get onboard with.

Having demos of Wii games would probably sell more of them (at least to me).

Fuck this "pay $5-$10 for a 10-year-old game" bullshit.

Quote :

"If they wanna sustain anything, they have to start delivering some games for gamers."

Of course, and make sure 3rd-party developers start delivering quality titles as well.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 7:45 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2007 7:42:31 PM

even if they are ports, I would play Twilight Princess over any game on the PS3 right now

7/17/2007 7:42:44 PM

^Now that is something I can agree with you on

7/17/2007 7:45:00 PM

i believe sony had motion-sensing controller patents before nintendo

nintendo did it better however because they made it the main focus of their system instead of an extra

7/17/2007 7:49:13 PM

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"I believe sony had motion-sensing controller patents before nintendo nintendo did it better however because they made it the main focus of their system instead of an extra"

The thing about Nintendo is that they don't release anything until the last possible second. They are notorious for their secrecy. Many magazines will scour through new patents looking for anything that will indicate what companies are developing for their next gen. Patents aren't filed immediately and aren't necessarily an indication of when the original research was started.

Not to mention that all of these video game companies have all sorts of random gadgets they have patented and not used over the years Not everything is released or planned for the next console.

Nintendo releases information that their new system's control will revolve around motion sensing -> it creates a buzz -> Sony starts rooting around in the ol' patent cabinet -> dumps some old motion sensing idea into their controller to try to grab a share of the next gen buzz.

No idea what the real situation is, but you can't rely on patent dates as indicators.

7/17/2007 8:33:44 PM

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"Fuck this "pay $5-$10 for a 10-year-old game" bullshit."

This is one of my favorite features, I've rebought a couple games I own in at least 2 other formats

7/17/2007 9:15:29 PM

meh, i only buy a few on xbla. i prefer new content, though i just couldnt say no to tmnt and golden axe.

7/17/2007 9:33:08 PM

potential and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee

until something worthwhile actually gets produced, the wii is going to be just a gimmick with shitty graphics

7/18/2007 12:42:17 AM

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"potential and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee until something worthwhile actually gets produced, the wii is going to be just a gimmick with shitty graphics"

Define "irony".

7/18/2007 8:26:06 AM

You assholes are really shitting on this thread. Why don't you start a "system wars" thread and quit getting off topic on this thread.

^ Irony: The use of words expressing something other than their literal intentions.

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 9:20 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2007 9:18:16 AM

Everything besides yes/no is off topic in this thread

7/18/2007 9:21:32 AM

Kojima showed off some MGS4 gameplay at an event in Japan today.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/so-solid/kojima-shows-mgs4-gameplay-new-details-emerge-279508.php

Nice to see how the controls are being married to the Sixaxis motion features.

7/18/2007 9:39:07 AM

Quote :

"I think the PS3 is the Surf 'n Turf. You want the lobster and steak and you're going to give yourself the treat of getting the best thing on the menu. The PS2 is your favorite burger restaurant -- you go there for comfort food and it's just always good and is a good value. [As for the other two consoles], one [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable."

Jack Tretton - SCEA president.


Seriously...how does that not come off as arrogant?

7/18/2007 9:50:28 AM

i dont know about arrogant, but it does come off as stupid.

7/18/2007 9:52:40 AM

^^ I don't know about you, but I think when it comes to talking about a product that you are pretty much in charge of, you want to tell everyone that its the best. I mean, what the fuck would you say?

What the hell is your problem man? Get a fucking life.

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2007 9:53:13 AM

Uh, he was asked stupid question (describe each console if it were a food) in the middle of an interview, and responded with an equally stupid answer. What would you expect?

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/features/122948.shtml

Quote :

"How would you describe each current game console if you had to describe it as a meal or food? JT: I probably couldn't do it objectively. You don't need to be objective! I think the PS3 is the Surf 'n Turf. You want the lobster and steak and you're going to give yourself the treat of getting the best thing on the menu. The PS2 is your favorite burger restaurant -- you go there for comfort food and it's just always good and is a good value. [As for the other two consoles], one [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable. LAUGHTER"

Wow, what an arrogant asshole, joking with an interviewer

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 10:04 AM. Reason : :]

7/18/2007 9:55:20 AM

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"Why don't you start a "system wars" thread and quit getting off topic on this thread."

Hey, if it wasn't for the "system wars" going on the thread would only be like 3 or 4 pages

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 10:15 AM. Reason : --]

7/18/2007 10:13:28 AM

And if it weren't for the Wii thread being filled with people asking where one can be found since Nintendo can't keep up with demand, it wouldn't be half as long. If it weren't people bitching about their broke 360's, that thread wouldn't be nearly as long either. See, I can play this game too

7/18/2007 10:19:28 AM