at the end of the enhanced version of "sundown" it said that MiB had recruited sawyer, claire and kate, but there have been some inaccuracies with some of the bits of information they've provided in those episodes before, so i'm not buying the idea that she is gonna side with MiB just yet.

3/16/2010 11:55:46 AM

Jin has been absent for a while too... we haven't seen him since Claire axed that dude. I guess he's just hanging out in Claire's hut by himself for a while.

3/16/2010 12:10:56 PM

i've already forgotten what happened last week...i remember the ben as a teacher part, but i don't remember what happened "on the island"..

they didn't even show locke and his people right? except for when he told ben to go get the gun and join him...but ben decided to stay on the beach

3/16/2010 3:31:57 PM

Jack and Hurley were on their way to the temple when Richard tricked them into going to the black rock. Richard asked Jack to kill him, apparently richard can't die by his own hand. Jack thinks he knows more than he actually may, and tried to prove to Richard that he can't die because he has a purpose and was chosen for said purposes many years ago. The dieing part may or may not be true, but Richard seemed convinced. Richard asked Jack "what now?" and he said "we go to the beach, where it all began".... or something like that.

Illana (sp?)was gonna kill ben because Miles used Jacob's ashes to find out that it was Ben who killed him. And to add insult to injury, or simply to save some work, she was making him dig his own grave. MiB offered him an escape. He had a moment with ol' girl in the woods at which point he could have killed her, but decided to open up. She found it in her heart to forgive him and told him he could come back. Ben chose the beach folk over MiB > awkward moment of ben returning > Jack, Hurley, and Richard arrive at the beach. Super slow-mo + happy times music as hurley runs across the beach to hug Sun --- personally, I would have rather seen Sun running across the beach.

3/16/2010 3:46:55 PM

but hurley has bigger tits.

3/16/2010 5:19:25 PM

but Sun has a tighter ass

3/16/2010 6:33:58 PM

Sawyer as a cop

love it

3/16/2010 9:05:08 PM

yup, and Miles as his partner, i like his alternate time line so far

haha, is john locke gonna have to slap a bitch??

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 9:24 PM. Reason : $$$]

3/16/2010 9:16:37 PM

AWWWW!! PIMP SMACK YO ASS, CLAIRE!!

3/16/2010 9:26:05 PM

LaFleur

3/16/2010 9:40:24 PM

Walt and Vincent are having a gangbang behind the submarine's locked door.

...

But yeah, would tie up a loose end if Walt was on the sub as some sort of BOOYAH secret weapon against the MiB. Would explain why the others made such a big deal about getting their hands on him in the earlier seasons.

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 9:50 PM. Reason : but srsly]

3/16/2010 9:47:25 PM

i like they had dharma style sonic fences!

3/16/2010 9:52:11 PM

the best part of that episode was next week's preview

3/16/2010 10:01:25 PM

wasn't a bad episode, but ^ yeah

3/16/2010 10:02:02 PM

it wasn't bad, but it was pretty "meh." i guess widmore's people killed the rest of the survivors from the plane?

3/16/2010 10:07:36 PM

^Whidmore is the only one I can think of who killed them. Obviously smokey didn't do it since he's been with his group the entire time, Ben/Ilana wouldn't have any reason to do it, and I can't think of anyone else who is on the island.

btw, where the fuck is Desmond?

3/16/2010 10:23:33 PM

You can find him in the sub?

3/16/2010 10:34:31 PM

desmond is off sexually harassing people.

nah, but he's off with penny and is out of the picture raising baby charlie.

3/16/2010 10:36:52 PM

He's not out of the picture

The island isn't done with him ya know

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ]

3/16/2010 10:45:15 PM

this was a great episode which is what I expected to follow up last weeks lame episode (lame by lost standards)

All the losties continue to unite in the flash sideways. I wonder if they will follow through with charlie being at sawyers station (dont spoil it by researching the actors life to see if he appears again). It was great to learn more about the smoke monster.

How did whidmore find/know he could come to the island?

3/17/2010 12:44:23 AM

i'm really curious as to what role widmore plays with this whole thing. i don't think he's on jacob's side, although that much might be obvious.

i think the behavior of MiB's recruits is interesting too. correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like all the people who went with MiB have reprised the same characteristics in the alternate timeline while the other characters are notably different.

- i'm not sure if there will be a claire episode this season, but she seemed to end up deciding to take care of aaron because of her circumstances just like she did on the island.
- kate is still the same reckless, irresponsible jackass who doesn't intend to endanger people but does whatever she wants to do in order to save herself but will still show some compassion in the process.
- sayid is a killer
- sawyer isn't a con man in the alternate timeline, but he still has all the hatred and anger in him from his childhood as he did in the original timeline.

vs.

- jack is a pretty decent father and doesn't seem to have the same daddy issues as before. he also told hurley he'd make a terrible father in "lighthouse," but that's not the case in the other timeline. maybe that's a non issue though.
- hurley didn't win the lottery with the numbers and is actually happy and confident rather than constantly paranoid from the little we've seen of him
- ben made the choice to forego his position of power to ultimately ensure that alex has a bright future
- i'm not sure how this will be relevant, but locke was different as well. his paralysis came from some other event, which means he can't possess the same weakness, anger and frustration he had in the other timeline by the very nature of his accident. he still seems a little frustrated by his condition, and he still threw the fit at the walkabout office, but he also must have a good relationship with his father too. he also came to accept the cards he had been given, which he had never been able to do before. all these things lead me to believe that locke is going to come back in his original incarnation somehow, which i've stated before. but i might be wrong.

and while i'm on the topic of locke and his father, i wonder if a different guy conned sawyer's parents in this timeline. i'm basing that off one small instance where i'm assuming locke's dad isn't a con man this time around, but it seems like it could be reasonable enough since a lot of things have been different in the alternate timeline.

hopefully we can keep the discussion going for the next week to keep my mind off the next episode

3/17/2010 12:51:42 AM

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"hurley didn't win the lottery with the numbers"

He still won the lottery. The difference is, he thinks he's lucky rather than cursed.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hugo_Reyes_%28flash-sideways_timeline%29

3/17/2010 3:21:02 AM

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"He still won the lottery. The difference is, he thinks he's lucky rather than cursed."

right. i get that. it's the same thing with locke's paralysis. it was always going to happen, but the circumstances surrounding it were different and led to their personalities being different from the original timeline.

3/17/2010 3:28:05 AM

Good post, Rat Soup. I completely agree. It seems that the characters who don't go with MiB are redeeming the immoral aspects of themselves and the ones who do go with the MiB are not in the alternate timeline.

About Hurley and the lottery, you said that Hurley didn't win the lottery with the numbers...Where did you get that? Did I miss it? He still won the lottery, right? Did he win it with different numbers?

Also, I thought tonight's episode was lacking. Once again, mambagrl is way off. She loved this week's and hated last week's. I think she just thinks about whatever makes sense and then opines the opposite. Can't wait for next week's, though.

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 3:33 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2010 3:32:13 AM

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"About Hurley and the lottery, you said that Hurley didn't win the lottery with the numbers...Where did you get that? Did I miss it? He still won the lottery, right? Did he win it with different numbers?"

we kind of covered this after the season premiere, and nobody seemed to object. i guess we don't really know for sure, but i think it's safe to assume that the guy from the mental ward never heard the numbers being broadcast since the island sunk. in that case, hurley never would've heard that guy reciting them over and over in the mental ward. that guy and hurley may not have even gone to the mental ward in the alternate timeline. anyway, hurley wasn't in australia to find the origin of the numbers. he was there for this (SPOILER?)



i assumed that since nothing but good things happened to him, he must have won the lottery randomly. i guess it's possible that he could've picked 4 8 15 16 23 42 off the top of his head or that they could've been the random numbers he ended up with.

but while i'm on the topic of the island sinking, the woman in australia told hurley her husband and the other guy heard the numbers being broadcast 16 years prior in the original timeline. assuming they weren't broadcast in the alternate timeline, that would mean the island would have to have sunk before 1988. and since ben was definitely on the island in 1973, that would have to mean that that island sunk sometime within that 15 year timespan.

of course, i could be overthinking it, and it sunk after the nuke was detonated. i don't know.

Quote :

"Also, I thought tonight's episode was lacking."

i agree. i think the best episodes of this season are the ones surrounding locke and ben. coincidentally they are also the best characters on the show.

3/17/2010 3:59:16 AM

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"sawyer isn't a con man in the alternate timeline, but he still has all the hatred and anger in him from his childhood as he did in the original timeline."

i'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on this point.. yeaaa... lol ok but seriously, i think Sawyer is still a con man, just not in the traditional sense we think of one or we've seen of him. an undercover cop is a con man if you really get down to it, it's just a "legal" con man doing the work of the good trying to find the bad guys and stop them. like for example in last night's episode, the scene in the beginning with Jodi Lyn O'Keefe he was conning her just like he had done in the real timeline with the other chicks. the only difference between real timeline and alt-timeline was the ulterior motive.

3/17/2010 8:11:32 AM

^Agreed... as Fake Locke said, Sawyer is the best liar he's ever known... regardless of whether he is working for the cops or not.

A few points though:

We've already seen Hurley as the owner of Locke's box company in the alternate timeline, and on the plane Arzt called him out on being the owner of the Cluck's restaurant so although we don't know for sure that he won the lottery we do know that he's rich.

We don't know for sure what the circumstances are behind what sunk the island. The bomb alone might not have done it.

In last night's episode, Sawyer was trying to get ahold of Anthony Cooper. This was the alias that Locke's dad used in the original timeline so either Locke's dad is still the original Sawyer in the new timeline and he just reformed from his con-man ways or it is just a completely different person who conned Sawyer's parents.

3/17/2010 9:18:58 AM

The bomb didn't "sink the island". The bomb didn't go off in the alternate timeline, it didn't cause the alternate timeline; the alternate timeline has always existed.

--

Clarification:

The bomb may have triggered whatever caused the island to be under water, but it wasn't the explosion that we saw at the end of last season.

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 9:50 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2010 9:49:23 AM

I havent watched last nights episode in its entirety yet, but one question I kept thinking about last night was: what was everyone doing in Australia?

I saw where Miles questioned Sawyer about it in the police station, but then I stopped watching so I dont know if he ever told Miles what he was doing (if he did, sorry for de-railing the thread). I just seems like the writers are being very secretive about what everyone was doing in australia

3/17/2010 10:10:20 AM

He explained why his dad killed his mom and himself, and then went on to talk about the drifter. Said he had gotten a tip and went to Australia and got a name while down there.

3/17/2010 10:15:06 AM

Memory's a little foggy on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Sawyer killed the innocent man in Australia. I can't remember what exactly was the cause of him mistaking the guy at the food (can't remember what kinda food it was) stand for Anthony Cooper. I do remember someone was using him to kill that guy. Ahhh I dunno..

3/17/2010 10:23:10 AM

I don't think he killed the shrimp guy in the flash sideways.

3/17/2010 10:40:18 AM

Yeah Hibbs tricked Sawyer to kill the shrimp guy in the original timeline but we don't have any reason to suspect that he did or didn't do the same thing in the alternate timeline.

3/17/2010 11:10:35 AM

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"although we don't know for sure that he won the lottery we do know that he's rich."

except hurley told arzt that he won the lottery, which was the reason why sawyer told hurley he shouldn't go around telling people about it because someone might try to take advantage of him.

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM. Reason : he also mentions winning the lottery in that video i posted earlier]

3/17/2010 12:25:56 PM

I stand corrected.

3/17/2010 12:37:17 PM

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"Whidmore is the only one I can think of who killed them. Obviously smokey didn't do it since he's been with his group the entire time, Ben/Ilana wouldn't have any reason to do it, and I can't think of anyone else who is on the island."

I don't think Widmore killed them. Why would you say Smokey didn't kill them? He could just float his ass on over there at night when everyone was sleeping and done it then.

3/17/2010 1:36:13 PM

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"I don't think Widmore killed them. Why would you say Smokey didn't kill them? He could just float his ass on over there at night when everyone was sleeping and done it then."

i guess he could have, but there's really no reason to think he did. it would kind of defeat the purpose of him sending sawyer over. but i guess it is possible that widmore's people didn't do it. he did make that comment to sawyer about how little he knew in regards to the motives behind sending the freighter to the island after sawyer accused him of sending keamy and co. to kill everyone.

3/17/2010 1:40:50 PM

Smoke Locke could have sent Sawyer as a way to test his allegiance

Or maybe they were just teasing us with the possibility of seeing the other side of the outrigger shooting scene from last season

3/17/2010 1:59:37 PM

i do think that was an intentional tease, and that we will see that happen.

whidmore said he didn't kill them, and i believe him.

Also did anyone notice that claire's pretend baby looked just like jar jar binks?

two things: the numbers are still important and keep showing up. for example sawyer got up at 8:42. secondly sawyer is definitely still a conman at heart. he is running that found land con to track down his mark.

3/17/2010 3:21:11 PM

If I was Sawyer I would have pulled out and busted on that first woman's face

Imagine how embarrasing it would be to be led away in handcuffs looking like a glazed donut

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM. Reason : x]

3/17/2010 3:28:29 PM

Quote :

"two things: the numbers are still important and keep showing up. for example sawyer got up at 8:42"

i've never taken instances like these to be very important with respect to the numbers. i think the writers just like to throw them in any scene that they can.

3/17/2010 3:51:19 PM

Clock numbers are not significant

3/17/2010 4:14:54 PM

While they're not pivotal, i think the point being illustrated is that these numbers are still connected to the losties just as they are all still connected to each other. It was still flight 815, after all and I feel certain that the numbers Hurley chose were the same as well.

3/17/2010 6:36:14 PM

You know, you could really say that the appearance of the numbers in the alternate reality -- a world where the "survivors" never end up on the island -- would actually prove their insignificance, or at least their triviality.

3/17/2010 6:50:45 PM

^^ you don't know that he chose numbers on his lottery ticket

3/17/2010 7:25:36 PM

seriously? the fact that the numbers appear in the sideways scenes leads me to the opposite conclusion.

3/17/2010 7:37:35 PM

exactly smath.

oh well. i don't want to get involved with the mambadudes

3/17/2010 8:07:31 PM

its just like seeing watership down on sawyer's dresser. Just something for the viewers to recognize.

3/17/2010 8:41:12 PM

important or not, i think IRSeriousCat nailed it

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"the point being illustrated is that these numbers are still connected to the losties just as they are all still connected to each other"

3/17/2010 8:44:24 PM

I wish the flash sideways was a world in which Jacob didn't exist, but that wouldn't explain why the island is on the bottom of the pool

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3/18/2010 1:12:57 AM