That why they nerfed them, there is no way, logically speaking, a shotgun is suppose to dominate going up against an assortment of automatic weapons. On a side note, I am really starting to get bored with this game again. It won't be long before I quit it cold turkey just like I did MW2.

12/4/2010 2:59:50 PM

The shotguns in MW2 had perfect range...if they were primary weapons. They should've kept a similar range for the shottys in Black Ops and they would've been fine.

12/4/2010 3:13:40 PM

12/4/2010 3:16:48 PM

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"there is no way, logically speaking, a shotgun is suppose to dominate going up against an assortment of automatic weapons. "

do you realize that a shotgun throws 10 times as much lead as an assault rifle with each shot? There is no way, logically speaking, that an assault rifle should stand a chance at short range against someone sporting a shotgun.

12/4/2010 3:29:30 PM

and here comes eleusis, knowing everything again

12/4/2010 5:03:13 PM

close range: shotgun > rifle

medium or long range: rifle > shotgun

12/4/2010 5:06:18 PM

mounting - whos coming with me?

12/4/2010 5:09:23 PM

and here comes rbrthwrd, pissed off that he's a know-nothing dumbass.

12/4/2010 5:21:18 PM

Quote :

"The shotguns in MW2 had perfect range...if they were primary weapons. They should've kept a similar range for the shottys in Black Ops and they would've been fine."

Yup. Too powerful as a secondary weapon but perfectly fine as a primary. Not sure why they had to weaken it so much in BO

12/4/2010 6:15:04 PM

does the masterkey shoot similar to other shotguns in the game as far as range, damage, etc?

12/5/2010 4:19:33 PM

G11 is bitchin

12/5/2010 4:23:46 PM

I wish that you could upgrade to slug ammo for shotties to make them medium/long range... that would be fun as hell.

12/5/2010 5:31:34 PM

No it would not, then it would be a shotgun fest. I am so glad that quick-scoping shit is gone too. I was decent at it but I felt like it was a bitch move to do it though. I do think the shotties needs at least one more meter of reach. I hit a guy today 3 TIMES within about 10-12 meters and he survived and dropped my ass WTF Treyarch? Could have been some subtle server lag however.

[Edited on December 5, 2010 at 5:38 PM. Reason : /]

12/5/2010 5:37:37 PM

I should probably just go ahead and get this since it's probably not going on sale until after Christmas, but I'm still gonna get my ass kicked pretty good

12/5/2010 6:06:11 PM

FYI, MW2 was $60 right up until the day Black Ops came out.

12/5/2010 6:11:17 PM

seriously? they gave me $38.50 on my buyback at amazon. bastards will make $21.49 more off this game?

12/5/2010 8:25:24 PM

For a brand new copy it was $59.99 at Best Buy when I was in there the day before the release of Black Ops.

12/5/2010 8:43:38 PM

Quote :

"G11 is bitchin"

12/5/2010 9:40:15 PM

If you have a Stoner class above a G11 class and you switch back and forth real quick, it looks like your dude is jerkin' it

Just FYI

12/6/2010 12:45:15 AM

i miss the SPAS 12, that shotgun was really fun to use. plus i liked watching sandy ravage go off with it.

after playing around with all the assault rifles i have settled on the commando. it just seems to work the best for me.

12/6/2010 12:55:16 AM

apparently the Spas-12 with a silencer doesn't effect its range or power in this game. i tried it out for a little while last night and it was solid. definitely better than the other shotguns.

12/6/2010 2:38:22 AM

For the MW2 SPAZ feel go with the Steakout with a grip, minus a couple rounds in the chamber it feels almost exactly the same minus a little range.

12/6/2010 9:22:04 AM

why not just use the SPAS-12 in the black ops game?

12/6/2010 12:15:13 PM

range not as good

12/6/2010 12:22:59 PM

the range isn't as good on any of the shotguns in black ops.

12/6/2010 12:48:55 PM

I like the Olympia. Except for the 2 rounds.

12/6/2010 12:55:23 PM

the olympia with slight of hand works pretty well.

12/6/2010 1:07:38 PM

Its just if you don't kill everyone near you with two shots, you're fucked.

12/6/2010 1:08:28 PM

I've never picked the olympia at the start of a game, though I've ran out of ammo and picked up a few and done pretty well with it.

Until someone shoots at me from more than 15 feet away.

12/6/2010 1:25:16 PM

I keep getting killed by napalm strikes even when I'm indoors, 9 times out of 10. Yesterday I was in a building, inside a closet inside in the building and was killed by napalm.

Also, I just hit 15 hours of play time and I got a map yesterday that I'd never seen before, cracked, how can a map not appear once in the rotation in 15 hours of playing.

12/6/2010 1:49:44 PM

watch for the red napalm strike plane and run away from its line of fire

best way to avoid it, since it obviously goes into buildings w/o issue

12/6/2010 1:59:38 PM

napalm is like the best bargain killstreak...you get a lot for its low requirement

the best 2 players i have played against on ps3 used it constantly. i love the screaming sound when people get set on fire.

cracked sucks

12/6/2010 2:33:28 PM

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"Yesterday I was in a building, inside a closet inside in the building and was killed by napalm."

Stay away from walls...sometimes if napalm doesn't get into a building, it will still get to the exterior walls, and some of the flames will come through

Similarly, I was killed yesterday when I was inside a building in a corner, and someone outside the building behind me shot a crossbow arrow into the back of the wall I was near...the wall did not protect me from the explosion

12/6/2010 4:09:13 PM

I still haven't gotten to play Hanoi yet.

Is that reserved for one game type?

12/6/2010 4:17:53 PM

^^

Kinda similar:

I got shot in the back as I ran into a building, so I laid down in a corner and aimed at the door I just came through. After about 5 seconds, I got shot through the wall. Had no idea how the guy knew where exactly I was until I saw the killcam and one of my legs & foot clipped through the wall and the dude could see exactly where I was laying down.

[Edited on December 6, 2010 at 4:24 PM. Reason : 1more]

12/6/2010 4:18:47 PM

no

i guess people don't like it because its a large night map. lets just play nuketown over and over so i don't have to think

12/6/2010 4:19:30 PM

^^^just play with dweedle and you'll get Hanoi

seriously though I usually play Team Deathmatch, and if I play long enough (a couple hours) I'll have the option to play every map, although much of that 2 hour span will be playing back-to-back matches on Nuketown, or Firing Range...the best maps in the game imo...because they're so small and hectic

12/6/2010 4:21:15 PM

For me lately it's been

Grid Grid Hanoi Grid Launch Launch Grid Hanoi Grid Grid Hanoi Launch

I like Grid, but Hanoi and Launch can suck it

12/6/2010 4:47:56 PM

I dislike Hanoi and Villa the most

12/6/2010 8:25:32 PM

in all my time playing Nuketown, I still have yet to do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00zChV6X4aw

12/6/2010 8:34:10 PM

whats the deal w/ all yall fools playin CTF right now

12/6/2010 8:48:52 PM

probably trying to get Marathon Pro

i fucking hate CTF though

i'm seriously down for an all warrior CTF match where we let each other capture flags because its not even fun trying to do it legit...but I would like unlimited sprint with Marathon Pro...

12/6/2010 8:54:55 PM

this was too good

12/6/2010 8:58:19 PM

found a nice glitch in array.in the circular building at the end that is on the second level there where you can climb in the window on the boxes there are some filing cabinets. you can jump from the window into the top filing cabinet and if you back up enough they can't see you, works great on TDM. be careful though, if you fall in the middle you are stuck and have to grenade yourself.

12/6/2010 8:59:59 PM

Or just don't play like a bitch

12/6/2010 9:01:53 PM

i generally get at least 1 kill on Array from hopping over the rail in Harrelson (the round building) right near the curved metal staircase...you can jump onto some barrels and if you're up against the wall you cant be seen by most people running down those stairs, but you have a good line of sight to them running up the stairs...you can also get on the left edge of the barrels and see a path outside

12/6/2010 9:03:02 PM

Quote :

"found a nice glitch in array.in the circular building at the end that is on the second level there where you can climb in the window on the boxes there are some filing cabinets. you can jump from the window into the top filing cabinet and if you back up enough they can't see you, works great on TDM. be careful though, if you fall in the middle you are stuck and have to grenade yourself."

that spot is for faggots and sailors.

12/6/2010 9:05:37 PM

i'm overall top scorer at least 3 out of every 5 times i play running lightweight and an ak74u, i'll camp for fun when i want to change it up

12/6/2010 9:09:06 PM

I'm 15th prestige, 95:1 KD

12/6/2010 9:11:23 PM

Quote :

"this was too good "

Man, that was a killer last episode

10/10 you guys gotta check it out

12/6/2010 9:20:37 PM