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"Romney broke the rules. Quote : "The rules of the presidential debates are clear about not bringing outside notes and presidents and aspirants have followed the rule for decades." Video at the link http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/05/upon-further-review-mitt-romney-may-have-cheated-to-win-the-debate/"

Supposedly debate rules aren't made public, so I don't know how true that is.

[Edited on October 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM. Reason : v]

10/5/2012 3:20:18 PM

10/5/2012 3:45:56 PM

Maybe we should audit the DoD to find out where that $737 billion/year is being spent before we give them $2 trillion more.

That should be the focus, not goddamn fucking Big Bird.

10/5/2012 3:58:17 PM

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"I never said it's a complete picture of current events. But it sure is an accessible picture. Lots of people can't afford expensive cable TV or the internet. Should they have NO news?"

If you can't afford the internet, you're doing it wrong, and you certainly shouldn't be wasting time watching PBS. Cable news is bullshit and mostly propaganda.

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"You act as if the media is some benevolent outlet that has people's best interest at heart. It's nothing more than a bunch of corporations that are trying to sell advertising- that's not whistleblowing for the sake of being altruistic..."

Maybe that's true. How does government involvement change any of that? The government is also not benevolent, and it is not made up of people that are truly altruistic.

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"I'm the product of a public education. K-12, college, then junior college, then college again, then graduate school. I work in public education by teaching at a university and a community college to change things and make a difference. Is it perfect? No. But it's better than nothing. What are YOU doing to make a difference and make the world a better place? "

You're the exact type of "worker bee" that the system is designed to pump out. You're completely obedient and loyal. Do you realize that? Everything you know and believe has been passed down by a system that is corrupt to the core. I'm not surprised that you're unwilling to bite the hand that feeds. It's a rational position to take.

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"I completely disagree with pretty much every single word of this. "

I'm sure you do. It's like I've challenged your religion and your brain is shooting sparks. What!? Art and creativity could exist without government funding!? This...no! It's blasphemy!

Regarding media, the future is internet news. It's that simple. Radio and TV are ineffective means of exposing the fraud and violence that has grown up around the system we live in.

I really believe that if Americans were shown true news in gruesome detail - children being exploded into bits by Obama's drone attacks, families being destroyed by drug laws, the factory conditions for iPhone workers - many of them would change their tune. These are the kinds of images that were necessary for me to understand the evil that has taken over the U.S. government and other governments. It's very important that Americans not see those things. Because of the media situation in this country, Americans have tunnel vision. They care more about which candidate's wife bakes the best cookies or some bullshit sound bite than the death and destruction going on every day.

That is the real shame - not that federal funding is potentially going to get pulled for some media outlet that has a negligible impact on public awareness. People need to wake the fuck up and start focusing on things that really matter.

[Edited on October 5, 2012 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

10/5/2012 4:09:47 PM

Actually, a lot of people don't have and can't afford access to Internet or broadband

Idiot

10/5/2012 4:18:59 PM

I thought the internet was free at libraries.

10/5/2012 4:19:55 PM

Some libraries don't have public computers

Some towns don't have accessible libraries

10/5/2012 4:21:07 PM

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"Some libraries don't have public computers Some towns don't have accessible libraries"

And Republicans want to make sure that's the rule, not the exception.

10/5/2012 4:24:22 PM

this d#numbers clown seems like a real d-bag

10/5/2012 4:27:48 PM

Take's a snewf to know one.

10/5/2012 4:34:15 PM

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"Some libraries don't have public computers Some towns don't have accessible libraries "

If it's free at some, isn't it free to everyone?

The only roadblock is initiative.

10/5/2012 4:35:50 PM

if geniusboy is arguing in favor of your position, it's time to rethink your position

[Edited on October 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM. Reason : dat grammar]

10/5/2012 4:37:08 PM

^^ or, you know... Roads

10/5/2012 4:39:17 PM

Did you say roads?

10/5/2012 4:40:32 PM

Did you say

10/5/2012 4:41:34 PM

10/5/2012 4:42:07 PM

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"Actually, a lot of people don't have and can't afford access to Internet or broadband Idiot"

Can you provide some examples of people/regions that don't have access to Internet, but do have access to PBS or NPR?

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"this d#numbers clown seems like a real d-bag"

It's true. You can tell because I'm the one throwing insults around instead of reason-based arguments.

10/5/2012 4:42:25 PM

No, you must have misheard him on this internet message board where the words people use are static and can be read multiple times if necessary. Perhaps he should type it again.

10/5/2012 4:43:14 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/02/18/us/18broadband_graphic.html?ref=us

Most of that

10/5/2012 4:43:54 PM

Now you need high speed broadband to access news online?

Those poor souls. I can't imagine the time it takes to load one porn vid for them. Better switch to 240p, b.

10/5/2012 4:45:39 PM

http://ncbroadband.gov/

10/5/2012 4:46:05 PM

Dial up and satellite don't exist either...


These people must have no impact on their surroundings because their surroundings have no impact on them!

10/5/2012 4:47:28 PM

We need a rural internetification program like we had a a rural electrification program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act

[Edited on October 5, 2012 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ...]

10/5/2012 5:06:50 PM

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"Out with the old spiritual mumbo jumbo, the superstitions, and the backward ways. We're gonna see a brave new world where they run everybody a wire and hook us all up to a grid. Yes, sir, a veritable age of reason. Like the one they had in France. Not a moment too soon.""

10/5/2012 5:08:21 PM

^^^ some people can't afford or don't have access

10/5/2012 5:16:05 PM

Quote :

"Actually, a lot of people don't have and can't afford access to Internet or broadband "

So back to your original statement, you were really talking about

10/5/2012 5:39:54 PM

Did I have a typo somewhere or is that how you think it is supposed to be spelled?

10/5/2012 5:49:30 PM

That's why I was asking you because how many handicapped non-internet non-road-having secluded broke-ass no-plumbing no-satellite no-dialup no-friends no-library nonmotivated people exist that matter to anything or anybody?

10/5/2012 5:52:51 PM

I just posted a couple resources showing how many people don't have access to Internet

But I don't understand why that's even being discussed in this Doritos finger thread

10/5/2012 5:55:16 PM

Broadband not having access to certain areas of land is not the same as people not having access to broadband.

People can move around to areas with broadband if they wanted to.

10/5/2012 6:09:26 PM

Sure because everyone has plenty of money and are mobile and everything

10/5/2012 6:39:01 PM

^^STFU I grew up in rural NC where there was/still isnt any broadband. People can't just move. Who moves for internet?

In 2012 broadband should be everywhere but instead of investing in internet we are investing in roads in Iraq, schools in Afganistan, weapons for rebels in Egypt, oh and PBS.

[Edited on October 5, 2012 at 6:41 PM. Reason : Dumbboyxxx]

10/5/2012 6:41:38 PM

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"You're the exact type of "worker bee" that the system is designed to pump out. You're completely obedient and loyal"

actually, i was a college dropout and complete fuck up, up until around age 23 or 24. the LAST thing i'd planned to do in life was to give back to any institution of higher learning, for any reason. If I hadn't have dropped out during my last semester at NCSU, they would have gladly booted me out.

then, a few years later, this crazy thing happened: I went back to school, and I met profs and people who actually gave a fuck about education, learning, and the same shit I did. Eventually, I wanted to become like them- a person who wanted to be a better person.

by every possible metric, i should have never graduated from college, let alone got into grad school. 'worker bee' my ass...

10/5/2012 7:04:06 PM

Did anybody else get pissed at Romney for being such a stuck up pussy bitch who always had to get the last word in to every single fucking topic being discussed? I found it so completely and utterly and thoroughly fucking disgusting how he just kept shoving himself inappropriately onto the floor even though it was blatantly against the rules. I must reiterate: What a fucking pussy bitch. They need to fire the fucking moderator or at least find somebody who is going to keep things on track. I keep reading that people think Romney won this debate but I seriously don't know how you can make that piece of shit scumbag look any more unlikeable than after the serious douche charade he displayed that night.

10/5/2012 8:57:10 PM

^^

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"Major : English"

YOU'RE STILL A FUCK UP.

10/5/2012 9:17:35 PM

^^I expect that from a Republican in a debate. The problem was the moderator. He was terrible this year.

Amazingly, I thought Anderson Cooper was a really good moderator back in 2008. Would be nice for him to return. Wolf Blitzer is also a TERRIBLE moderator.

10/5/2012 9:36:23 PM

^^ eh, maybe

at least I love my job, I get summers and 6 weeks of winter off, and I make pretty good money

10/5/2012 9:58:46 PM

parentcanpay, take off your blue-colored glasses.

at least romney didn't take jabs at the moderator.

10/5/2012 10:06:40 PM

Yeah he did

He'll, dude even said he was cutting his job

10/5/2012 10:20:47 PM

Recap: Mitt Romney knows magic...






but Obama has a magic trick of his own

10/5/2012 11:14:35 PM

^It was a handkerchief. He didn't "cheat" in the debate, and sorry but I could give a fuck about "time honored traditions", this is a fucking national debate on policies and positions for the leader of the free world.

They should not only BOTH have notes with them, but the shit that spews from their mouths should also be accompanied by a video screen showing original sources that they are quoting from/implying from/referencing.

In our modern world of nearly instant search, correlation and fact checking, why the FUCK would we enforce ancient Greek rules of debate and rhetoric?

Also, Romney is still toeing the line of the Paul Ryan "supply side economics" policy bullshit.

10/6/2012 1:06:22 AM

^You win this thread.

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"Can you provide some examples of people/regions that don't have access to Internet, but do have access to PBS or NPR?"

people out in the boondocks without reliable transportation but with old-timey radios

see NPR stations can go out for dozens of miles, hundreds in the AM band at high power

10/6/2012 1:10:51 AM

FACT CHECK: LABOR SECRETARY SOLIS MISLEADS ON JOBS REVISIONS
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/05/Suspicion-Falls-on-Labor-Secretary-Solis-as-Jobs-Numbers-Questioned

10/6/2012 3:50:03 AM

Quote :

"They should not only BOTH have notes with them, but the shit that spews from their mouths should also be accompanied by a video screen showing original sources that they are quoting from/implying from/referencing. "

Why can't fox news pull this off even with video screens?
Why can't cnn pull this off even with video screens?

10/6/2012 3:54:33 AM

^^ OK, so she spoke incorrectly. I'm not sure why that matters. Mittens and Barry do that all the time. That doesn't have anything to do with the loony conspiracy theories on the cooked numbers.

^ with that I agree with you. Instead of CNN's awful trend line why not a fact check ticker or something?

[Edited on October 6, 2012 at 8:21 AM. Reason : x]

10/6/2012 8:20:48 AM

If Obama hadn't already killed breitbart, I was going to if I ever found out I had a terminal disease or something.

10/6/2012 9:26:07 AM

Quote :

"Did anybody else get pissed at Romney for being such a stuck up pussy bitch who always had to get the last word in to every single fucking topic being discussed? I found it so completely and utterly and thoroughly fucking disgusting how he just kept shoving himself inappropriately onto the floor even though it was blatantly against the rules. I must reiterate: What a fucking pussy bitch. They need to fire the fucking moderator or at least find somebody who is going to keep things on track. I keep reading that people think Romney won this debate but I seriously don't know how you can make that piece of shit scumbag look any more unlikeable than after the serious douche charade he displayed that night"

Did anyone else notice that Obama spoke for over 4 minutes longer than Romney and that during his speaking times would not answer the questions asked by the moderator and would bring up off-topic points at the end of his statements in hopes that Romney wouldn't be able to counter? Did anyone else notice the moderator only cut Romney short and never tried to interrupt Obama during his remarks even though he was obviously going over the stated time limit? Had Romney not been assertive and fought for his time to address Obama's off-topic jabs, he would have likely spoke for 10minutes less than the president and appeared to not have "won" the debate. Because he did those things, he "won" the debate.

Again, this was a debate, rules in debates are simply guidelines for reference for each debater to understand the system and create a debate strategy. Obama's strategy was to talk slowly, use his time wisely and throw some curve balls at Romney. Romney responded and did what he had to do to stay relevant in the debate and not let Obama walk right over him.

10/6/2012 10:57:41 AM

Wow, definitely not a handkerchief.

10/6/2012 11:04:22 AM

^

Moron.

10/6/2012 1:11:04 PM

haha, Romney blows his nose on paper sheets. I guess they were out of dollar bills.

10/6/2012 1:22:15 PM