is packboozie really mad about us dropping TOB like a bad habit? Is it his contention that TOB would have done something with this squad this year (which is basically all TOB recruits) that Doeren didn't? Right, he probably would have lost more and run it straight up the middle every down more.

11/23/2013 10:36:15 PM

TOB would have lost to Richmond

11/23/2013 10:40:05 PM

From PP

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"Here's the deal, and wrc you know damn well it's not that hard to figure: Last two years, we had the 65th and 83rd ranked schedules. Right? Last two years, TOB won just 7 regular season games against those pitiful schedules. Right? Last year was the year that TOB pointed to as "the" year, with his best two classes as seniors and redshirt seniors, and his star QB recruit in his final year....right? So with all that, and the 65th ranked schedule, TOB managed to win 7 games, only one vs. a FBS team with a winning record. Now.....all that is gone this year. We now know what kind of QB Pete is, what kind of decision maker. A different offense wouldn't matter....he played in the "correct" offense at CSU and still never had a season with more TD's than INT's. So TOB is still here. Nearly all of the players that helped him win a paltry 7 games last year are gone. What would a reasonable estimate of our win total be? I could see another win or two from having the continuity....no more. Thomas is still the QB. We still lost damn near everyone off last year's team that only won 7, and we have a tougher schedule. I don't think it takes a Nostradamus to figure out that this year was going to be a rebuilding year for anyone. "

11/23/2013 10:41:59 PM

Apparently aaronburro is not seeing the plays that Matt Canada is calling.

We run up the middle until we are down 30 and then throw the ball and score.

[Edited on November 23, 2013 at 10:47 PM. Reason : ^The schedule this year is one of the easiest in school history]

11/23/2013 10:44:02 PM

Seems like Doeren has given up on the season like most fans at this point. Hopefully a new QB helps next year. I hope he calls a little more throwing and not so many sweeps and gimmick running plays.

11/23/2013 11:39:48 PM

^^ and that was different from TOB's offensive game how? If anything, TOB did that MORE, which, if you'll read my previous post, is astonishingly exactly what I said. So, I ask you, again, what, exactly, do you think TOB would have done different that would have resulted in more wins? Punt the ball more often to a team's best kick returned in a tie game with a minute left in the game? Run the ball straight up the middle every play more often? Give 15 yard cushions on every single play?

11/24/2013 12:08:55 AM

^You're in a idiot, a fucking idiot.

TOB didn't run up to the punter and say - "kick it to gio."

11/24/2013 12:10:48 AM

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"Last two years, we had the 65th and 83rd ranked schedules."

I'm just curious as to what our SOS is this year

Also, there comes a point where you can't keep blaming the OC or DC for playcalling...the HC has the ultimate authority, and while I'm sure he wants to micromanage and let his guys do his thing, when you're 0-7 in conference, you might want to change things up. That 4th and 1 run that got blown up for a 5 yard loss today made me cringe.

11/24/2013 12:13:05 AM

his failing was not running up to the punter and saying "for the love of cake, DO NOT kick it to gio"

11/24/2013 12:13:32 AM

TOB wasn't the answer and I don't believe Doeren is either. He doesn't have the "it" factor, he doesn't excite me. We need someone flashy, someone who can bring some energy to the program, someone who has inroads to the hotbed of Florida and can bring a pipeline of players......CTC



[Edited on November 24, 2013 at 1:58 AM. Reason : .]

11/24/2013 1:55:50 AM

chuck was herb. they were both the most successful of our lifetime and both had great defense.

gott is tob with no defense but enough inherited talent to look ok for a little while. both sucked at the schools they were at before and surprise they both sucked here.

we hoped sidney lowe was chuck but he wasn't

11/24/2013 3:17:15 AM

just cause Herb's teams didn't allow many points it doesn't mean they played good defense. It just means they wasted a lot of time on offense.

11/24/2013 9:49:04 AM

That's not really how teams lead the conference or nation in scoring defense, but whatever.

If it wasn't good defense, then teams would have controlled the tempo and scored a lot more points. We weren't so good that our offensive rhythm determined the rhythm of every game.

11/24/2013 3:13:44 PM

When did a Herb team ever lead the nation in scoring defense? And when a team like UVA uses up 30 seconds on the shot clock every offensive possession before taking a shot, yes, it is a huge factor in how many points they allow per game

ok apparently he did at ASU one year...i'll defer to ncstatetke on that one

[Edited on November 24, 2013 at 3:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2013 3:17:14 PM

lets just all agree that it was better defense than either coach after him.

11/24/2013 3:22:55 PM

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"So, I ask you, again, what, exactly, do you think TOB would have done different that would have resulted in more wins? Punt the ball more often to a team's best kick returned in a tie game with a minute left in the game? Run the ball straight up the middle every play more often? Give 15 yard cushions on every single play?"

Glennon had 564 passing attempts versus 471 rushing attempts for the team in 2012...how exactly did TOB "run the ball straight up the middle every play"? You are blind and dumb if you think our offense isn't worse this year.

[Edited on November 24, 2013 at 3:27 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2013 3:23:52 PM

that was because we had an nfl qb

11/24/2013 3:49:24 PM

Glennon/Wilson/Ryan didn't just magically become NFL QBs on their own while playing for TOB, discounting his hand in their development is myopic.

11/24/2013 3:59:04 PM

you're right. Wilson became one at Wisconsin, which is why he acted like a little bitch but then tried to blame it on TOB, cause he knew he would never get any airtime at NCSU.

11/24/2013 5:10:05 PM

Amato made rivers a great qb

11/24/2013 5:12:07 PM

Wilson's 300+ int-less streak was as a freshman. Glennon was the fifth ranked qb as a 17-18 year old behind ej manuel, terrelle pryor, andrew luck, and dayne crist, 3 of whom are nfl starters.. I don't know how much credit I'd give TOB, he certainly didn't make them worse

11/24/2013 5:16:11 PM

^^ http://youtu.be/hA610Xmduv8



[Edited on November 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM. Reason : couldn't resist]

11/24/2013 5:40:16 PM

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"Wilson's 300+ int-less streak was as a freshman. Glennon was the fifth ranked qb as a 17-18 year old behind ej manuel, terrelle pryor, andrew luck, and dayne crist, 3 of whom are nfl starters.. I don't know how much credit I'd give TOB, he certainly didn't make them worse"

Wilson's streak was during his redshirt freshman season, and he was in no way a finished product when he arrived on campus. Glennon was certainly the most touted of the 3 but being a top 50 recruit out of high school is far from an automatic ticket to the NFL. You can try to argue that TOB had nothing to do with developing two middling recruits and a top 50 player into NFL starters but you're really just rationalizing an anti-TOB bias.

11/24/2013 9:54:07 PM

^ I thought his streak was between his RS Freshman year his RS Soph years?

11/25/2013 9:46:09 AM

Dont know how anyone can discount TOB/Bible's QB development. Along with Wilson and Glennon he also had like 5 NFL QBs at BC.

The problem is even with NFL QBs he could never win 10 games

11/25/2013 10:11:46 AM

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"The problem is even with NFL QBs he could never win 10 games"

Bingo. The fact that TOB needed NFL caliber QBs to be mediocre is a big statement against him, even if his coaching was the reason the QBs were NFL caliber

11/25/2013 10:44:15 AM

they clearly didn't develop... anything else.
i have the same criticism of DD, except so far i haven't seen -any- development.

11/25/2013 11:00:23 AM

were you expecting "development" in the first season of a first year coach? usually player development takes longer than a season

11/25/2013 11:03:48 AM

doeren got shadrach to stop fumbling

thats pretty much it though

then again the best qb on our roster is a former cb playing wr

11/25/2013 11:09:17 AM

Lol we have had one 10-win season ever and it took 14 games to get there. Some of you act like we are a SEC school. Dick Sheridan, Lou Holtz, and Earle Edwards combined for 0 ten win seasons.

[Edited on November 25, 2013 at 11:13 AM. Reason : ^,^^ We have not improved any as the year went on]

11/25/2013 11:10:06 AM

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"You're in a idiot, a fucking idiot."

11/25/2013 12:13:58 PM

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"were you expecting "development" in the first season of a first year coach?"

absolutely. at the very least, you stop getting ridiculous penalty flags thrown at you like beads at Mardi Gras

11/25/2013 12:36:01 PM

We're 6th in the acc in penalties unless I missed one of the new schools.. It's not that bad

11/25/2013 12:40:11 PM

I'll admit. They DID fix the issue where we couldn't even line up correctly. It took half the season, but I haven't heard that one in a while.

11/25/2013 12:43:08 PM

ok, so, up to now, the players have finally been coached up to where they are not doing something they shouldn't be doing to begin with.

ok cool

11/25/2013 12:57:11 PM

hire rod carey

11/25/2013 1:09:59 PM

I know we're all looking back at the TOB era with rose-tinted glass now, but let's not forget this,

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"SI_DougFarrar ?@SI_DougFarrar 1m 2013 NFL season totals for third-round QBs who have played for North Carolina State since 2010: 344 of 544 for 4,144 yards, 32 TD, 10 INT."

The man had NFL starter playing QB for his entire tenure and couldn't muster a single achievement of note.

11/25/2013 1:25:06 PM

Two of these dudes wanna know which NFL team is starting them.

11/25/2013 1:48:35 PM

Who was TOB's strength and conditioning coach?

I forgot about Beck's gut. That thing was epic.

11/25/2013 2:54:49 PM

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"couldn't muster a single achievement of note."

Beat UNC-CH 5 straight times.

11/25/2013 3:13:15 PM

DD gave a pretty good discussion today on the radio during his presser.

Said we have no depth basically and because the offense is so inept, it made the defense look that much worse because they had to play so much after 3 and outs.

He was really exciting about the redshirts and freshmen for next year coupled with the young guys this year.

11/25/2013 5:27:37 PM

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"Lol we have had one 10-win season ever and it took 14 games to get there. Some of you act like we are a SEC school. Dick Sheridan, Lou Holtz, and Earle Edwards combined for 0 ten win seasons."

good thing we arent the only school TOB coached at

11/25/2013 5:51:44 PM

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"Some of you act like we are a SEC school."

I know I speak for the rest of us when I say that I think one ACC conference win would signify that we're ready to run the table in the SEC.

11/25/2013 5:54:47 PM

I know I speak for the rest of us when I say that I think one ACC conference win would signify that we're ready to run the table in the SEC.

11/26/2013 7:06:06 AM

[quote]DD gave a pretty good discussion today on the radio during his presser.

Said we have no depth basically and because the offense is so inept, it made the defense look that much worse because they had to play so much after 3 and outs.

He was really exciting about the redshirts and freshmen for next year coupled with the young guys this year.

I'm actually excited about next year as DD will have the QB he wants to run his offense and it can't possibly be worse than this year... can it? Mitchell and Thomas are honestly the worse quarterbacks I've seen this year in all college football, i challenge someone to prove me otherwise. With that being said i don't like the fact that DD is blaming the offense for his defensive struggles. In the first series of the ECU game they were moving the ball at will and scored early on the first drive I don't think their QB had a single incompletion. We do have a lack of depth but some of that rests on the coach not properly preparing the players.

11/26/2013 5:10:49 PM

Dave is gonna say whatever bullshit he has to pull out of his ass, because he knows he is on the hot seat after only one pathetic year.

11/26/2013 6:14:46 PM

Blaming the former coach in the first year is a solid move. Has he mentioned the wind being a factor too?

11/26/2013 6:45:14 PM

Nothing DD said from ^^^ is WRONG AT ALL.

11/26/2013 8:08:33 PM

^^^^I think the defense has taken a toll from the year and being on the field so much throughout the year

11/26/2013 8:43:58 PM

The system works.

NIU 12-0

Lynch with record breaking night 350+ rushing yards.

11/26/2013 11:57:50 PM