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10/28/2014 1:33:07 PM

U.S. authorities collaborated to help prevent news helicopters from filming police abuse, according to recently discovered audio recordings.

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""FAA cannot and will never exclusively ban media from covering an event of national significance, and media was never banned from covering the ongoing events in Ferguson in this case." Huerta also said that, to the best of the FAA's knowledge, "no media outlets objected to any of the restrictions" during the time they were in effect. An FAA manager, in the recordings, lamented that procedures for defining a no-fly area didn't have an option that would accommodate only excluding news helicopters. "There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, `OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said, later working out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic. The less restrictive change by the FAA practically served the authorities' intended goal, an official said: "A lot of the time the (lesser restriction) just keeps the press out, anyways. They don't understand the difference." The Kansas City FAA manager then asked a St. Louis County police official if the restrictions could be lessened so nearby commercial flights wouldn't be affected. The new order allows "aircraft on final (approach) there at St. Louis. It will still keep news people out. ... The only way people will get in there is if they give them permission in there anyway so they, with the (lesser restriction), it still keeps all of them out." "Yeah," replied the police official. "I have no problem with that whatsoever.""

11/3/2014 10:15:56 AM

Wasn't that obvious... why did they need to "discover" this...

11/3/2014 10:35:43 AM

Why is it important to record the exact number of those killed in German concentration camps? Can't we all agree that a few people died and move on?

Crimes must be documented.

11/3/2014 11:16:20 AM

St Louis expected to burn any day this week. National Guard units are already moving into the city. Tomorrow the high temperature will drop from 70F to low 40's with rain. Since police have been handing out "the grand jury is still hearing evidence" press releases all weekend, my bet is tomorrow is the day.

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"The police are getting ready for war when they should be getting ready for a trial. That to me means they’ve already made their decision,” said Ty Pruitt."

Meanwhile, district court rulings are coming right and left against illegal police actions during the prior unrest, including forcing dance-a-thon("if you stop moving you'll be arrested") rules on protesters.

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 5:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2014 5:23:08 PM

Do you live here?

11/10/2014 5:28:06 PM

You'd think in response to protests, the best thing to do is to try and listen and form a dialog.

Rather than remaining recalcitrant against your community, and galvanizing your position, and using this is a basis to violently crush protesters.

Forcibly suppressing a protest movement almost never works... when has this ever been effective in a democracy? This only creates martyrs and grows sympathizers.

11/10/2014 5:28:50 PM

Do you? It's time to leave.

11/10/2014 5:29:26 PM

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"Has anyone considered that it wasn't marijuana or mental illness, but maybe he just didn't give a fuck?"

Haha, in dealing with juveniles in detention on a daily basis, you would be amazed at how many just don't give a fuck. No mental illness/hallucinogenic drugs needed with the lunacy that I see every day. I've been spit on, beat, hit, nearly stabbed and had death threats come my way countless times just for being there. Sadly, the general public just doesn't want to believe that this kind of evil exists in the world. The kind of evil that law enforcement has to deal with on a daily basis.

11/10/2014 5:59:22 PM

The next time it happens just shoot them. Don't worry, we'll spend $millions to protect you.

11/10/2014 6:21:07 PM

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/10/racial-tweet-has-duncanville-teacher-in-twitter-storm/18803641/

Teacher in hot water over a RACIST tweet regarding the Ferguson debacle.

11/10/2014 6:25:00 PM

First amendment protections only apply to government employees if the content of their speech is a matter of public concern. Most of the relevant cases involve school teachers, appropriately enough, and "public concern" seems to depend on what the judge ate for breakfast that day.

11/10/2014 6:49:26 PM

Atlanta police militarizing in advance of this week's riots.
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/11/06/apd-ferguson-decision-preps/18624721/

11/10/2014 6:59:56 PM

.

[Edited on November 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM. Reason : nevermind. no point.]

11/11/2014 9:01:06 AM

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"Society today is going to hell in a handbasket and quick. There are no morals anymore. Very few people even have a moral compass to point them in the right direction and social media dictates the world."

what the fuck are you babbling about?

11/11/2014 9:12:05 AM

Nothing. Nevermind. I'll just edit that comment out. Its gonna do nothing for this thread. You guys just continue with your comments.

11/11/2014 9:20:31 AM

^^is there something about prayer in schools, homos ruining the sanctity of marriage, taking Christ out of CHRISTmas and using Xmas instead, and no wearing of jeans by women in that story? I feel like it was that kind of post, based on the part you quoted.

[Edited on November 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM. Reason : damn, dirty ass ungodly jeans]

11/11/2014 9:21:49 AM

actually, none of that...but the two responses so far are exactly why I deleted it.

11/11/2014 9:25:37 AM

go back to your chair and stop forwarding emails, grandma

11/11/2014 9:36:48 AM

I don't know what baldy ^ said, but just ignore him, he's a known troll on this website.

11/11/2014 11:09:08 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

11/15/2014 12:40:30 AM

^ that kind of yada yada yadas over the specific events of the encounter. And it seems to add more discrepancy to the witness accounts than their is. Most witnesses say he had his hands up, with video of the construction workers miming the motion just after the shooting.

11/15/2014 2:26:01 PM

I guess that link is interesting and all...but all that is new is that it was a "brief encounter", right? I mean, that's not really any kind of bombshell one way or the other. I got the impression from the beginning that it was a brief encounter...not any kind of long altercation. I guess having all those details and times and everything is necessary to the story...but I'm not sure at all what to make of it.

11/15/2014 2:36:36 PM

what that radio chatter validates is that the officer identified Brown as the robbery suspect instead of just harassing him for jaywalking. it doesn't do anything to explain how everything went to shit after Brown started running away, but it kills the claim that the officer wasn't aware of the robbery and was just harassing two kids walking in the street.

11/15/2014 7:40:34 PM

Ah gotcha. I haven't followed this as closely lately and had forgotten that angle. Makes sense.

11/15/2014 7:47:58 PM

except that it's just his word on that. there is no recording of the radio chatter, right?

[Edited on November 15, 2014 at 8:39 PM. Reason : may be wrong on that. i read it more than 24 hrs ago]

11/15/2014 8:39:00 PM

Video has emerged of Darren Wilson arresting a man because he was recording him on his cell phone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAkbovfTeA


All charges were later dropped. The man who filmed the video said he was afraid to post it until he moved out of Ferguson so he would be safe from police retribution.

11/15/2014 8:55:51 PM

^^The wording isn't completely clear

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"At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a “stealing in progress” at the Ferguson Market. The 911 operator was still talking to the caller in the background. In a second broadcast, 19 seconds later, the dispatcher says the suspect is a black male in a white T-shirt running toward QuikTrip, and had stolen a box of Swisher cigars. About four minutes later, there’s more detail: the suspect is wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts, and is accompanied by another man. At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves – units 25 and 22 – if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared. At 12:02 p.m., Wilson says, “21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car.” His call triggered at least two officers to head his way, including one who said he was close to Wilson. Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call."

They have direct quote from some of the radio chatter. But then that last paragraph (the one specifically mentioning that Wilson knew Brown matched the description) is just "sources have told..."


[Edited on November 15, 2014 at 9:14 PM. Reason : naa]

11/15/2014 9:13:14 PM

where's the full video? that clip doesn't tell us shit

11/15/2014 9:13:59 PM

maybe I'm assuming that "put me on Canfield with two" means that he's on Canfield with two suspects in the robbery he inquired about two minutes earlier. Seems obvious enough, but I don't know how cops normally communicate about suspects or call-ins in general.

11/15/2014 9:25:59 PM

^you're probably right. the placement of that last paragraph i quoted throws me off. but i guess when he first stopped Brown and his friend for walking in the street was before he said "Put me on Canfield with two."

the placement of it, and the timeline of the thing was throwing me off.

11/15/2014 9:29:57 PM

all of that was released months ago with the report, i've definitely read that radio exchange before.
edit: i don't think it was officially released, i think it was a police scanner recording someone released shortly after

i don't see how you can conclude that he knew they were related from that


unrelated:
someone tell the protesters wearing military surplus gas masks that they have to screw filter cartridges into the side or they don't do anything.


[Edited on November 17, 2014 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2014 1:28:18 PM

I think he could have very well have been stopping them in response to the strong arm robbery at the convenience store.

It is very common for cops to "stop" a suspect for a different reason than the real reason they are stopping them. For instance say they are looking for a white SUV with a suspect for a property crime in it, they cant legally go around pulling every white SUV on the road over. They can however if they see one stop it for a traffic violation like failing to signal or drifting left of center. (both innocent things cops rarely actually write tickets for, but are technically illegal)

So the cops pull over white SUVs in the area they are looking for a suspect in, they tell the driver the reason they stopped them is the very minor driving infraction, they run the ID pursuant to the traffic stop, see if the person has a criminal record, see if they fit the description of their suspect, and get a chance to see inside the car as well to look for any evidence that person may be involved with the crime. The cop has the option to not even ticket the driver for the traffic violation so they can let them go with a verbal warning if they choose too after satisfying themselves the people in the SUV are not involved with the property crime.

If walking down the center of the street is illegal (it probably is) then the cop would have had reason to stop Michael Brown just for that, his goal could still have been to investigate the shoplifting strong arm robbery of the convenience store.

Also I hate to say it but you have to be either high or a plain old idiot to just walk in the middle of the road in front of a cop.

All of that is a separate issue than the question of if officer Wilson continued firing on Michael Brown once Michael Brown was trying to surrender.

11/17/2014 1:51:39 PM

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"Also I hate to say it but you have to be either high or a plain old idiot to just walk in the middle of the road in front of a cop."

To be fair lots of people in the neighborhood I have to drive through to get to mine do this all the time including when there are police cars rolling through. Most of them could care less to even get out of the way after they have seen you.

11/17/2014 2:15:08 PM

Those people.

11/17/2014 2:42:18 PM

Ahead of the grand jury decision the KKK threatened protesters with lethal force. Anonymous has responded by outing KKK members, including at least one or two cops. They also outed some that attended a Darren Wilson rally. They have assumed control of the KKK's main national twitter account:

http://aattp.org/anonymous-unmasks-racist-kkk-creeps-threatening-lethal-force-against-ferguson-protectors-imagesvideo/
https://twitter.com/AnonCopWatch/status/534369603699216386
http://filmingcops.com/anonymous-exposes-cop-as-member-of-kkk-behind-letter-threatening-to-kill-ferguson-protesters/
Twitter hashtags are #OpKKK and #HoodsOff

[Edited on November 17, 2014 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2014 2:42:29 PM

Wilson might be one of those "tough guy" cops: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/16/ferguson-video-shows-darren-wilson-arresting-man-for-recording-him

11/17/2014 2:46:02 PM

Now its time for everyone's favorite game: Police, Skinheads or Klansmen?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

11/17/2014 2:51:04 PM

A state of emergency has just been declared for Ferguson:
http://governor.mo.gov/news/executive-orders/executive-order-14-14

11/17/2014 3:22:01 PM

this is going to get hairy.

11/17/2014 3:33:42 PM

so what's TWW's take on this? Are we rioting or not? I need a side.

11/17/2014 3:54:04 PM

I think we all know what this is about.

Immigration and Ebola.

11/17/2014 4:02:06 PM

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"I think he could have very well have been stopping them in response to the strong arm robbery at the convenience store. It is very common for cops to "stop" a suspect for a different reason than the real reason they are stopping them."

that radio traffic does not conflict with other reports that he stopped them to tell them to get off the road, then decided they met the description and called for backup before pulling back up to them.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

and at that point he has someone just meeting a pretty simple description, and I'm not sure what that is supposed to change about the narrative

11/17/2014 4:04:26 PM

Martial law declared in St. Louis, effective until Christmas. Here we go!

In 2007 Missouri explicitly banned confiscation of firearms from citizens during states of emergency(unlike most states where it's still allowed). I'll bet they regret that now.

[Edited on November 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2014 5:09:14 PM

11/17/2014 5:12:18 PM

Seems like these pre-emptive martial law will incite people to riot more...

If I were them, i'd prepare the riot squads, but not enact martial law until people actually flip out.

If I were a protestor in Ferguson, this would be my call to start preparing the molotovs and pile up some rocks.

11/17/2014 5:24:11 PM

I wish you were a protester in Ferguson.

11/17/2014 6:37:58 PM

11/17/2014 6:56:26 PM

^^haha

moron is geographically challenged; he would show up in the wrong ferguson

11/17/2014 7:40:05 PM

pants up! dont loot!

11/17/2014 8:40:31 PM