I'm failing to see how she's wrong for that observation

of course those were factors, as were others

7/21/2017 4:00:28 PM

Well, to begin with, it can't be quantified, so no one can prove anything. It also completely ignores the reality of the race, the circumstances, the overall tenor and feelings of everyone in general towards Washington. It also ignores the fact that she has a lot of baggage.

Think of it this way, allegedly, if she had simply visited Michigan and Wisconsin, or wherever it was she refused to visit, people say she would have won. So how did the Russian operation cost her the election.

It's honestly just a scapegoat. Personally, I think it had an impact but without being able to quantify it, there is zero justification for saying it cost her the election, particularly over other things which are quantifiable.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 4:09 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 4:06:47 PM

it is quantifiable, though

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

7/21/2017 4:09:08 PM

^^ Mother did nothing wrong!

It was those damn meddling Ruskies

7/21/2017 4:11:05 PM

^We know there was one Comey letter. We have no clue how many fake news stories were pushed via bots and how many people read them. That's where the influence would have been. And then we don't know, of the people who read them, how many changed their votes because of it.

Also, that article says the Comey letter cost the election...

^lol

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 4:20 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 4:11:23 PM

Certain people on the left: "Hillary did everything wrong, stop blaming outside forces!"

Same exact people on the left: "Bernie did nothing wrong, outside forces were to blame!"

7/21/2017 4:28:36 PM

Both had outside factors, one did everything they could to overcome them and the other wasted weeks hiding from the press because they thought their lead was safe

But you're too far up her asshole to understand that

7/21/2017 4:30:26 PM

Quote :

"Refer to my comments regarding the intellect of Trump supporters."

So, you're inferring that we have an inverse relationship between IQ and income in this country? That's a first.

7/21/2017 4:30:38 PM

Huh? I don't recall mentioning anything about income or anything along those lines.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 4:38 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 4:36:12 PM

the 'ol poor = dumb, rich = smart argument

7/21/2017 4:42:02 PM

Relitigation!

Back somewhat on topic, Burr basically said Devin Nunes completely made up inappropriate unmasking today and he didn't even feel compelled to bring it up with Susan Rice thus confirming what we already knew.

7/21/2017 4:44:40 PM

I'm surprised Burr admitted it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/burr-says-questions-about-susan-rice-unmasking-created-by-devin-nunes-2017-7

7/21/2017 4:46:27 PM

I can't believe nobody has brought up the fact that Spicer was a plant by the liberal media to make Trump and his entire adminstration look bad. Of course he sounded stupid every time he had to attempt to make sense of the #fakenews. Who wouldn't??? Totally unfair!

7/21/2017 5:00:02 PM

Sessions is toast.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-discussed-trump-campaign-related-matters-with-russian-ambassador-us-intelligence-intercepts-show/2017/07/21/3e704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html

Quote :

"Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials. Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials both in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign. One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he has no recollection of the April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration."

This must be what Comey was talking about he said there were other reasons why Sessions would be compelled to recuse.

7/21/2017 7:00:46 PM

Seems fairly obvious this was a team Trump leak. Too much coincidence just a day or two after that savage interview.

Maybe I'm underestimating the awfulness of the GOP but who the fuck could he possibly get through a Senate confirmation at this point. I bet he tries Rudy, lol.

7/21/2017 7:42:51 PM

I doubt team Trump leaked intelligence intercepts that it never had.

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2017 7:52:05 PM

Quote :

"the 'ol poor = dumb, rich = smart argument"

AKA reality for 99% of the population.

7/21/2017 10:58:06 PM

I'm going to venture you're neither rich, nor super poor, but you're still one dumb motherfucker.

7/22/2017 1:05:51 AM

Quote :

"Certain people on the left: "Hillary did everything wrong, stop blaming outside forces!" Same exact people on the left: "Bernie did nothing wrong, outside forces were to blame!" "

Inside forces running the DNC were to blame for Bernie loses. Outside "influences" were to blame for Hillary losing. Delegates were given to Hillary. Votes were not given to Trump.

7/22/2017 10:13:01 PM

Hopefully this leads to the downfall?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/24/jared-kushner-just-threw-donald-trump-jr-under-the-bus-bigly/

Love the headline!

7/24/2017 12:14:13 PM

Pretty solid rundown on what led up to the Magnistsky act and the period shortly after. This guy Bill Browder testified in front of the Senate today:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534864/

7/26/2017 4:38:39 PM

Random Q (not a joke)

Does anyone else think Kushner is gay? He strikes me as a gay guy. Nothing wrong with that but his mannerisms and speech cadences make me think he is secretly in the closet.

[Edited on July 26, 2017 at 7:43 PM. Reason : metro]

7/26/2017 7:42:28 PM

Kushner will come out at some point so that Trump can say he has one of the gays in his family.

7/26/2017 9:19:02 PM

I heard John Kelly once headed a joint Russia-US military operation to destroy a Chinese ICBM launch facility.

Collusion!!!

7/28/2017 8:26:52 PM

another one from the buzzfeed series

"Everyone thinks he was whacked"
The US government ruled Mikhail Lesin’s death an accident, but multiple intelligence and law enforcement officials suspect it was a Russian hit. The government is withholding information so today BuzzFeed News has filed a lawsuit to pry the records loose.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/putins-media-czar-was-murdered-just-before-meeting-feds?utm_term=.inwk5aZ8#.ivAgbAjr

Quote :

"Vladimir Putin’s former media czar was murdered in Washington, DC, on the eve of a planned meeting with the US Justice Department, according to two FBI agents whose assertions cast new doubts on the US government’s official explanation of his death. Mikhail Lesin’s battered body was discovered in his Dupont Circle hotel room on the morning of Nov. 5, 2015, with blunt-force injuries to the head, neck, and torso. After an almost yearlong "comprehensive investigation," a federal prosecutor announced last October that Lesin died alone in his room due to a series of drunken falls “after days of excessive consumption of alcohol.” His death was ruled an "accident," and prosecutors closed the case. But the two FBI agents — as well as a third agent and a serving US intelligence officer — said Lesin was actually bludgeoned to death. None of these officials were directly involved in the government’s investigation, but they said they learned about it from colleagues who were. “Lesin was beaten to death,” one of the FBI agents said. “I would implore you to say as much. There seems to be an effort here to cover up that fact for reasons I can't get into.” He continued: “What I can tell you is that there isn’t a single person inside the bureau who believes this guy got drunk, fell down, and died. Everyone thinks he was whacked and that Putin or the Kremlin were behind it.” In another previously unreported revelation, the two FBI agents said it was the Department of Justice that paid for the hotel room where Lesin died. DOJ officials had invited the Russian to Washington to interview him about the inner workings of RT, the Kremlin-funded network that Lesin founded, they said. But Lesin never made it to the interview. He died the night before it was scheduled to take place."

7/29/2017 9:45:37 AM

775 diplomats being kicked out of Russia. Will make spying just a tad bit harder.

[Edited on July 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM. Reason : a]

7/30/2017 3:44:23 PM

What are the chances trump vetos the sanction bill now?

7/30/2017 4:48:11 PM

So far indications are that he actually will sign it. I tend to think he will but the man is insane so who knows.

7/30/2017 4:48:57 PM

I would think he ignores it and lets it become law. That would allow him to save face with his buddy Putin without having to suffer the defeat of having his first veto overwritten.

I also think he will call Sen. Graham's bluff and as soon as Congress' recess starts, Sessions will be gone so he can appoint whomever to block the investigation. The stakes are too high for him not to.

7/30/2017 7:11:38 PM

Quote :

"775 diplomats being kicked out of Russia. Will make spying just a tad bit harder."

We don't have that many diplomats in Russia. The majority of the people losing their jobs at the embassy/consulates will be Russians hired locally. This will def make diplomatic work a lot harder.

7/31/2017 12:56:54 PM

^ah, didn't think about the local hires, good point

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-embassy-russia-may-cut-u-s-diplomats-or-locals-n788041

[Edited on July 31, 2017 at 1:07 PM. Reason : CNN literally just posted the article haha]

7/31/2017 1:05:04 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.d7afe0ff2ebd

Trump crafted Don Jr.'s initial misleading statement on the Russia-Trump Tower meeting. Why would the President be so interested in making sure Don jr.'s lies were "the best?"


Trump knew exactly what was happening at that meeting.

.....


GUUIIILLLLLTTEEEEEEEEEEEE!!11!!!!!!1!!!!!

7/31/2017 8:31:51 PM

^

7/31/2017 8:40:54 PM

Mueller is assembling a grand jury for Trump Russia:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/345212-mueller-establishes-grand-jury-in-trump-russia-probe-report

Special counsel Robert Mueller has reportedly impaneled a grand jury in Washington as part of the ongoing investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

Such a move would signal that the investigation is growing and entering a new phase. The special counsel is looking into Russia's efforts to influence the election and any ties between President Trump's campaign and Moscow.

Mueller’s spokesman declined to comment to the newspaper, while White House special counsel Ty Cobb said he was unaware of the new development.

[Edited on August 3, 2017 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

8/3/2017 3:58:22 PM

I have no idea if Donald Trump has done anything unseemly financially or is beholden to foreign governments because of massive debt. Neither does anyone else.

Which is exactly why he got away with a startling lack of transparency as all of us focused on emails and pussy-grabbing. It should be looked at as a shameful period of US political history.

I think it's important Muellers team objectively vets this and informs the public, no matter what the truth is.

8/3/2017 5:11:39 PM

I once thought grand juries were a death sentence (you still get a chance at trial), but then Scott Walker somehow wiggled out of his multiple criminal probes. That guy was also definitely guilty.

Interesting grand jury in NC:
http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article164846392.html

8/3/2017 7:13:03 PM

https://www.apnews.com/a250d1088af44a3b8b55275dc97de608

Another link to Cambridge Analytica. Flynn is updating his disclosure forms AGAIN (Christ, how many chances does one get to get this shit right?) and it turns out he was getting paid by CA for some "consulting."

Could be nothing, but God, CA creeps me out more than just about any other aspect of this fiasco.

8/4/2017 10:28:18 AM

Special Counsel Mueller using grand jury in federal court in Washington as part of Russia investigation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/special-counsel-mueller-using-grand-jury-in-federal-court-in-washington-as-part-of-russia-investigation/2017/08/03/1585da56-7887-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.567799f38561


heating up

8/4/2017 10:39:12 AM

https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/895283093308932097

Everything is fine.

8/9/2017 10:09:48 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-conducted-predawn-raid-of-former-trump-campaign-chairman-manaforts-home/2017/08/09/5879fa9c-7c45-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.c766a1ff7a65

Quote :

"FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort’s home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee."

Odds the timing indicates perjury at least?

[Edited on August 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM. Reason : a]

8/9/2017 10:18:54 AM

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

Quote :

"On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed. Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds."

Quote :

"“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote. “Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”"

Quote :

"Time stamps in the metadata provide further evidence of what happened on July 5. The stamps recording the download indicate that it occurred in the Eastern Daylight Time Zone at approximately 6:45 pm. This confirms that the person entering the DNC system was working somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. In theory the operation could have been conducted from Bangor or Miami or anywhere in between—but not Russia, Romania, or anywhere else outside the EDT zone. Combined with Forensicator’s findings on the transfer rate, the time stamps constitute more evidence that the download was conducted locally, since delivery overheads—conversion of data into packets, addressing, sequencing times, error checks, and the like—degrade all data transfers conducted via the Internet, more or less according to the distance involved."

Quote :

"In addition, there is the adulteration of the documents Guccifer 2.0 posted on June 15, when he made his first appearance. This came to light when researchers penetrated what Folden calls Guccifer’s top layer of metadata and analyzed what was in the layers beneath. They found that the first five files Guccifer made public had each been run, via ordinary cut-and-paste, through a single template that effectively immersed them in what could plausibly be cast as Russian fingerprints. They were not: The Russian markings were artificially inserted prior to posting. “It’s clear,” another forensics investigator self-identified as HET, wrote in a report on this question, “that metadata was deliberately altered and documents were deliberately pasted into a Russianified [W]ord document with Russian language settings and style headings.” To be noted in this connection: The list of the CIA’s cyber-tools WikiLeaks began to release in March and labeled Vault 7 includes one called Marble that is capable of obfuscating the origin of documents in false-flag operations and leaving markings that point to whatever the CIA wants to point to. (The tool can also “de-obfuscate” what it has obfuscated.) It is not known whether this tool was deployed in the Guccifer case, but it is there for such a use."

[Edited on August 10, 2017 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

8/10/2017 12:01:47 PM

Uh, I've been downloading stuff through my shitty Comcast residential ISP at 25 MB/s+ for more than a year. That's like 200 Mbps which isn't even their highest tier. I would assume the DNC servers probably have an enterprise class gigabit connection. The "science" in that article is utter trash and I could disprove myself with a screenshot from uTorrent.

8/10/2017 12:23:40 PM

You're mistaken. Xfinity bumped their highest plan to 200mbps from 150mbps in Nov 2016.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Bumps-Performance-Pro-Blast-Pro-Speeds-in-Many-Markets-138373

From the previous article:

Quote :

"What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack. Other investigators have built on this finding. Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by http://www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second."

8/10/2017 12:35:05 PM

They bumped their 150mbps tier to 200mbps, but they already had a 200+mbps tiers you could pay for. And again, I'm just pointing out that those speeds weren't even "unobtainable" to a random joe in 2016, let alone whatever business class ISP the DNC was using. Believe whatever you want to believe though, I'm sure this random Wordpress site has the real goods!

8/10/2017 12:51:09 PM

I'll just point out to anyone else reading that it's Shrike's word on his download speed from last year

vs

A report from speedtest.net and analysis by former NSA cryptologists (William Binney, Ed Loomis) and IBM's US IT Manager of 33 years (Skip Folden)

8/10/2017 1:10:55 PM

Yeah, the analysis wasn't done by any of those guys, it was done by somebody who calls himself the "Forensicator" (lolol) and someone else using the pseudonym Adam Carter. Did you even read the article you're quoting?

As for my word, I took this screenshot last year,



That translates to rough 30MB/s, which according that article is supposed ot be super duper unobtainable!!!

8/10/2017 1:23:15 PM

a few questions:

why are they assuming it was a residential internet service? or are they saying the upload on the DNC server is residential service that can't do that speed? and operatives from russia can't have a remote footprint in the same timezone? why not? (they address why the speeds via vpn wouldn't work, but never talk about this). and they determine east coast because that was the setting the computer was using, which can be changed to anything so really that point isn't very convincing.

also as best as i can tell following the links in that story, the speed discussion is not based on experts but a reddit discussion? when i start following links i'm having trouble finding an actual report and not just a ton of blog posts

none of this seems particularly convincing and the arguments not very well fleshed out

[Edited on August 10, 2017 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

8/10/2017 1:29:48 PM

Which month of 2016?

Folden and Loomis referenced that analysis and built on it.

Quote :

"Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by http://www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second."

And here's further analysis on the speed required for this data transfer:

https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/the-need-for-speed/

8/10/2017 1:33:59 PM

Also idk how I missed this, lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html

Quote :

"A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community."

8/10/2017 2:16:05 PM

cool

8/10/2017 3:17:21 PM