not to be a downer, but following them on twitter doesn't mean much.

most are from the southeast though, several from georgia, florida, tenn, and nc. nice compilation of links!

4/27/2011 10:12:59 PM

i would think it means that he is keeping track of them and has identified them as potential recruits

good enough for me

[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2011 10:13:44 PM

Raymond's athleticism is encouraging. Means you have a guy who can potentially play good defense, finish on breaks, and make hustle rebounds and putbacks.

Slow foot speed and lack of athleticism cost us a lot of points the last few years.

A couple of NCAA teams this year proved you can go far with a bunch of athletic guys who just play defense hard and hustle all the time.

4/27/2011 10:21:29 PM

I'm not saying we have a chance with any of these guys, but the fact that Early is interested in what they are doing means he's probably interested in getting these guys to play basketball for us. All the guys he's following are uncommitted with the exception of Purvis, so that's a red flag right there.

4/27/2011 10:38:29 PM

word is we recently offered 2013 sg Anton Gill from ravenscroft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92UL9QN3XVo

4/27/2011 10:42:59 PM

Organized by position (too much time on my hands). Wish there were more PG on there.

PG
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/100776/kasey-hill

SG
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/77077/dvauntes-smith-rivera
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/67459/rodney-purvis
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/110968/torian-graham
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/109048/anton-gill
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102653/gary-harris
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/96406/ricardo-ledo
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/117578/theo-pinson

SF
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102672/greg-mcclinton
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/72514/shabazz-muhammad

PF
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102823/alex-poythress
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/66469/tony-parker
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/97355/robert-carter
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/66601/perry-ellis
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102645/jarnell-stokes

C
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/109042/kennedy-meeks
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/61194/andre-drummond
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102168/tyrek-coger

4/27/2011 10:53:06 PM

so are any of these recruits following our coaches? that'd mean a lot more than the other way around

4/27/2011 11:01:41 PM

Tyler Lewis is.

4/27/2011 11:25:44 PM

Can we please stop going after 6'8''/6'9'' centers? Jesus.

4/27/2011 11:32:14 PM

yes, when targeting 16/17 year old center prospects, only target the 6'10"+ guys.

4/27/2011 11:41:52 PM

Yeah we need more TBDVs!

4/27/2011 11:48:05 PM

Quote :

" Yeah we need more TBDVs!"

4/28/2011 12:07:08 AM

It's funny how you guys seem to show up as a pair every time that name is mentioned. It's like you have the shining or, even worse, are friends outside of tww.

4/28/2011 12:18:30 AM

Quote :

"It's like you have the shining"

lol

4/28/2011 12:19:37 AM

On name only, we should make a run at Shabazz Muhammad

4/28/2011 1:00:12 AM

I'm pretty sure every school in the country has made a run at him. I could envision a 'zzzzzzzzzzzz' chant being pretty cool.

4/28/2011 1:09:35 AM

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"I could envision a 'zzzzzzzzzzzz' chant being pretty cool."

don't start givin him reasons not to come here. shit's weak.

4/28/2011 6:02:44 AM

There's not a depreciate thread, so not sure where to put this, but packinsider has some insight on what was going on with Ryan, in the article they also mention that Purvis and Hodge are close and that if Purvis is looking around then State would be in a good position for his services

Quote :

"Why did Ryan Harrow decide to leave? After listening to talk radio on the way to work and then scanning the message boards for a bit I realized that it might be the best thing to clear the air and shed a little light on what really led to Ryan Harrow asking for (and receiving) his release from NC State. First of all, the decision was not made because of the resignation of Sidney Lowe, in fact, I don't believe Lowe staying would have changed much. Behind the scenes this past season the Harrows and Lowe were on two very different pages. We were told on numerous occasions that Ryan (and his family) were not happy with Javi Gonzalez having the starting role for the majority of the season and wanted to see Ryan get more minutes. Lowe on the other hand kept with his plan to ease Harrow into the ACC, knowing that his defense was not advanced enough to slow down some of the better opposing guards. We don't want to take sides, because honestly, we don't know what was promised. Did Lowe promise the Harrow's that he'd be the guy from day 1?... What we do know is that Harrow's family was very vocal early in the season about their displeasures and it likely rubbed Lowe the wrong way. We also heard throughout the year last season that Ryan's teammates and even some around the basketball program were less than impressed with his work ethic and toughness. We couldn't believe it because Harrow was always known for being one of the hardest workers on the high school circuit, but the more we asked around, the more we heard the same thing. So I guess you can say that we could've seen this coming and to be honest, we always had a thought that it was very possible. After State failed to hire a big name coach it became even more possible. I'm not sure what the final straw was for Harrow, but in talking with those closest to him it seems as if they felt like they were led a little astray by Sidney Lowe and after the season just wanted a fresh start. http://packinsider.com/2011/04/nc-state-basketball-update-427/"

4/28/2011 9:22:40 AM

figures. Harrow could end up one of the more hated ex-players to have played for the Pack in a while. What a loser

4/28/2011 2:12:21 PM

Does anybody think that maybe Harrow was a little intimidated by his bigger, better god-brother? I definitely haven’t heard anything from Brown defending Harrow’s decision.

Brown was clearly the better PG -- much better defender, shooter, passer, penetrator -- he looked like a genuine star at times. Harrow never seemed comfortable out there, couldn’t shoot, and didn’t have the strength to finish inside. Maybe – MAYBE -- there was a little resentment/jealousy going on … maybe even a little fear that Brown would run the point this season.

Just speculation, and probably way off the mark, but who knows. I think Brown showed us what an ACC-level guard should look like. Harrow wasn’t there yet. Not saying I wanted him to leave – it screws our depth completely – but I always felt better with the ball in Brown’s hands vs Harrow’s

4/28/2011 2:23:20 PM

nah, i think costner fucked his gf

4/28/2011 2:29:27 PM

One of the things I thought he did best was driving to the basket to get a layup and if he got fouled he was pretty much automatic with his free throws. He had a nice running floater too. It was a nice skill to have on the team.

4/28/2011 2:32:10 PM

I'd really like to see things work out for Harrow, but the more I read the more I'm convinced he's pretty much fucked. I don't mean to say he'd have been better off staying, because with the attitude he's purported to have, he's in trouble anywhere.

4/28/2011 2:33:36 PM

the more i read (which i take all with a grain of salt), the more i think he was kinda a whiney brat, but i'm pretty sure than in 2 or 3 years, we'll be watching him on another team and be saying "damn, wish he was still here., espcially in '11.. if he wasn't such a whiney bitch"

4/28/2011 2:39:46 PM

Quote :

"nah, i think costner fucked his gf"

Swore I saw Costner on campus driving a black camaro with NJ plates on Tuesday.

4/28/2011 2:45:06 PM

Costner ran out in front of me on Western Blvd his Sophomore year. I probably missed hitting him by about 10 feet. He was one of my friend's neighbors as well. So I saw him often, he was nice, but his attitude off the court his last season was the same as it was on the court in not giving a shit.

4/28/2011 2:49:47 PM

Quote :

"i'm pretty sure than in 2 or 3 years, we'll be watching him on another team and be saying "damn, wish he was still here., espcially in '11.. if he wasn't such a whiney bitch""

Yeah, and I hope that's what happens (insofar as he goes on to success not that we plunge further into the shitter), because I'm sure he's a good kid, just really immature. Not a bitch saboteur like Costner.

It's funny, last summer I'm sure lots of us were expecting pretty much this exact scenario to play out with CJL. Go figure.

4/28/2011 2:50:40 PM

a few guys on PP are talking about how much he sucks, and was only good for chipping paint off the iron.... dumbasses.

4/28/2011 2:56:56 PM

Quote :

"He had a nice running floater too."

i'm pretty sure he shot a worse percentage on these than CJL did on 3 pointers

i've never seen anyone in my life miss more floaters short than him

[Edited on April 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2011 3:17:54 PM

Quote :

"Swore I saw Costner on campus driving a black camaro with NJ plates on Tuesday. "

That would make sense..

Quote :

"@PackMensBball NC State Men'sBball Dad-to-be Brandon Costner stopped by today to meet the new staff. Great to see former players coming back. 26 Apr via web"

4/28/2011 3:24:23 PM

Quote :

"Maybe – MAYBE -- there was a little resentment/jealousy going on … maybe even a little fear that Brown would run the point this season. "

That is what Hodge hinted at (Bullet posted the article in the CJ leslie thread).
One thing that shouldn't be forgotten in the Harrow debacle is that while Brown led the team in assists he also led in turnovers.

4/28/2011 4:38:04 PM

Yeah, he was careless with the ball at times, especially early in the year. But he also made some plays in the lane that I’ve never seen a State player make.

4/28/2011 4:55:49 PM

i'm not going to pretend that brown wasn't TO prone last year, because he was

but john wall averaged 4 TOs a game at kentucky

and I feel like a lot of brown's turnovers were carelessness more than him not being able to handle pressure

4/28/2011 5:02:04 PM

Quote :

"that while Brown led the team in assists he also led in turnovers"

That rarely happens with primary ball handlers...

Nolan Smith led Duke in assts and TOs.
Stitt led Clemson in assts and TOs.
Reggie Jackson led BC in asst and TOs.
Iman Shumpert led GT in asst and TOs.
Terrell Stoglin led MD in asst and TOs.
Kendell Marshall led UNC in asst and TOs.
CJ Harris led WF in asst and TOs.
Malcolm Delaney led VT in asst and TOs.

FSU, Virginia, and Miami were the only ACC schools where that didn't happen.

4/28/2011 5:03:59 PM

lorenzo brown wasn't our primary ball handler.

4/28/2011 5:06:13 PM

Quote :

"That rarely happens with primary ball handlers... "

Brown wasn't our primary ball handler


[Edited on April 28, 2011 at 5:07 PM. Reason : ^beat me to it!]

4/28/2011 5:06:15 PM

Quote :

"Brown led the team in assists he also led in turnovers."

Harrow had the highest assist rate, Brown had the highest turnover rate

4/28/2011 5:14:31 PM

Not surprising I was simply going on a per game basis. Just reinforces my concern.

4/28/2011 5:38:15 PM

Not related to NCSU, but I remember reading about this guy a year or so ago.

God's Gift Achiuwa chooses St. John's

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/ncb/news/story?id=6443546

4/28/2011 5:44:19 PM

Quote :

"Anton Gill's latest offer comes from Wolfpack By Nick Stevens Posted at 4:48 p.m. Anton Gill is one of the top players from the Class of 2013. The Ravenscroft sophomore is a four-star shooting guard, according to Scout.com, standing at 6-foot-3. "There's always things I can work on, but I think I had a really good season," Gill said, reflecting back to his sophomore season at Ravenscroft. "I felt like I shot the ball well, I did a lot of things to help the team win." Gill helped the Ravens to a 25-4 overall record, which included a TISAC regular season and conference tournament title, and a championship in the GlaxoSmithKline Holiday Invitational. That performance has also led Gill to three Division-I college basketball offers from Charlotte, East Carolina, and most recently, NC State. "My first offer came from East Carolina," Gill said. The Pirates have close ties to Gill whose father, whose name is also Anton, played in Greenville in the 1990's. "They have a great staff. I was up there for the elite camp and they talked to me and my dad," Gill said. "They're just really nice people. Their one goal is for all their players to get better." During this past season, Gill picked up his second offer. The Charlotte 49ers offered the shooting guard, and he's been able to get to know the program. "They've got a new coach now and they had a pretty good season," said Gill. "I went to their elite camp too." Gill's recruitment took a major turn this week though. On Wednesday, Gill picked up his first offer from an Atlantic Coast Conference school - NC State. "I had a phone call with Coach (Orlando) Early. I called him and he was just talking about what they're trying to do now at NC State with the new coaching staff," Gill said. "He said, 'We'd like to offer you a full scholarship." Gill said he was thrilled. "It was great. At first I didn't believe what he said on the phone," Gill laughed. "It took me a second to process it, but it felt really good." Offering Gill was among some of the first recruiting moves made by the new coaching staff at NC State since Mark Gottfried was hired. The staff has been pitching an improving program to Gill. "They're trying to take their recruiting to the national level, trying to get some of the best players in the nation," Gill said. "They said their goal is to win a national championship, and they felt like I could help them do that." NC State is his first ACC offer, but it likely won't be Gill's last. Clemson, North Carolina and Wake Forest have all been talking to Gill frequently since the season ended, and he hopes more offers are on the way. Having grown up on Tobacco Road, Gill says he's managed to stay somewhat neutral. "I was kind of a bandwagon fan. Whoever was winning, I had a t-shirt for that team," said Gill. Since Gill is only a sophomore, he has plenty of time to land more offers and to narrow down his list of schools. Gill says he already knows what is important to him though. "I'm just going to have to find a college where I fit in academically with what I want to study," he said. "I still haven't figured out exactly what that is yet because I am so young." No matter what Gill decides to study, the attention from colleges is a positive thing for him. "It gives me great confidence knowing that somebody believes in me, thinks I have the ability to help them accomplish a goal like that," said Gill. "It makes me feel like if I keep working hard, anything is possible." "

interview included: http://www.highschoolot.com/content/blogpost/9514983/

4/28/2011 6:05:24 PM

I have a feeling that Harrow is going to make a huge mistake and transfer somewhere that isn't the best fit for him. He's a talented basketball player, but he's not John Wall. I don't see him being the starter at Kentucky - ever. If he goes to Kentucky then I think he'll sit out next year, and sit on the bench the following year. At that point he'll have 2 years to play 1. Calipari will recruit a top 5 PG to be his point guard and Ryan will realize that he's never going to see the floor except in mop-up duty.

At that point, I think Harrow makes the wise decision and transfers to a UNCW, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, etc. type of school, sits out another year, and then plays his final year as a borderline all-conference player.

My advice to Harrow would be to go to a school that is decent right now. He could certainly transfer to one of the UGA, Ok. State, LSU, etc. type schools and still play in a major conference, albeit at school with lower expectations that isn't stacked with current and incoming talent. We see this happen all the time with athletes. The Ryan Mallet cases are few, while the Mitch Mustain cases are common (to use a football analogy).

I think Ryan needs to be careful with where he transfers, for his own sake. If he couldn't win the starting job at NC State, he's not going to win the starting job at Kentucky or any other top 10 program. Best of luck to the kid, but if he didn't want to be here then I'm glad he's gone. If he isn't talented enough to deliver a 25-win season then I'm glad he's gone. If he thought he was bigger than the program, and that he was entitled to tell the fanbase how we should act or what we should expect (such as in his open letters), then I'm glad he's gone.

4/28/2011 7:48:02 PM

If he goes to Kentucky then I think he'll sit out next year, and sit on the bench the following year. At that point he'll have 2 years to play 1.

Wouldn't he have 2 years to play 2?

4/28/2011 8:08:08 PM

I think you only get 5 years to play 4, so it would look like:

FR: NC State
RS-FR: Transfer
So: Kentucky
JR: Transfer
SR: Wherever

I could be wrong about this, but I think this is how it works. My post may have been a little confusing, but in the following sentence I predict that he decides to transfer after riding the pine for a year at KY and seeing the incoming recruits. That's where I was getting the 2 years to play 1.

[Edited on April 28, 2011 at 10:21 PM. Reason : clarification]

4/28/2011 10:19:47 PM

AH - well reading the KY forums - they need a PG for when Teauge leaves and all the top ones are gone - hence harrow.

4/28/2011 10:34:40 PM

The new Assistant Coach, Jeff Dunlap, has a lot of high school connections through 'exposure tournaments.'

Quote :

"Prior to being hired at WMU he worked for Big Shots, an organization that puts on exposure camps for high school basketball players across the country Dunlap was tournament director at camps held in Georgia and Alabama "

I like the connections but I get uneasy feelings about these types of events. Either way, welcome aboard, Jeff.

Here's the website if you're too lazy to click the first result in google for Big Shots:

http://www.bigshots.net/

4/28/2011 11:57:28 PM

Dunlap was hired as the Director of Basketball operations. That's not the same as Assistant Coach is it?

[Edited on April 29, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : he was also DOBops and asst coach under gottfried at alabama]

4/29/2011 10:35:33 AM

Quote :

"they need a PG for when Teauge leaves and all the top ones are gone - hence harrow."

I don't follow this. Calipari gets a 5* PG each year. So by this time next year when Teague is gone, Cal will have already signed a new recruit in the c/o 2012.

4/29/2011 10:43:15 AM

Cal and UK have their pick of the top 25 players

i don't see why they would need Harrow, but he would probably be one of the best backup PGs in the country once he figures out how to gain weight and play defense

4/29/2011 10:48:52 AM

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"Brown wasn't our primary ball handler"

Second half of the season Brown handled the ball just as much as Javi or Harrow did.

He was our main creator (as evidenced by him leading us in assists). That also usually leads to leading the team in turnovers.

Bottom line is the fact that he led the team in turnovers means nothing. He will probably do it next year as well...when he will also lead us in assists...just as Smith, Stitt, Jackson, Shumpert, Stoglin, Marshall, Harris, and Delaney last year.

Let's just hope he improves on the asst/TO ratio.

4/29/2011 11:00:44 AM

Quote :

"Harrow had the highest assist rate, Brown had the highest turnover rate"

4/29/2011 11:11:51 AM