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"Anyone else feel like being a Duke lacross player for Franklin Street...we are trying to get a whole team goin..."

That would be awesome, but only if you could get two black girls to pose as strippers to go w/ you...

10/28/2006 6:26:07 PM

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"Video may aid players' defense Club tape surfaces in Duke rape case A woman identified as the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape case performed an athletic pole dance at a Hillsborough strip club at the same time that the accuser was visiting hospitals complaining of intense pain from being assaulted. A time-stamped video shows a woman at The Platinum Club on March 26. The club's former security manager, H.P. Thomas, identified her as the accuser. The video, reviewed by The News & Observer, shows a limber performer. The same woman told doctors at UNC and Duke hospitals around that time that she had been beaten and assaulted and was racked with pain. The accuser, a single mother enrolled at N.C. Central University, charged that three men gang raped, assaulted and choked her in a bathroom at a lacrosse team party that began late on the night of March 13. Three lacrosse players were charged with rape, sexual assault and kidnapping: David Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md; Collin Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J. All players have strongly maintained they are innocent and have called the woman's accusations lies. Linwood Wilson, the investigator for District Attorney Mike Nifong, said Friday that he has watched the video but could not say with certainty that it was the accuser dancing. At trial, defense lawyers could show the March 26 video to jurors to undercut what the accuser told doctors and nurses in the days and weeks after the party. The woman has not spoken publicly since an interview with The N&O in March. The newspaper does not name people listed on police reports as victims of sexual assaults. The following account of the woman's visits with doctors, nurses and police is based on documents from Nifong's investigative files that have been turned over to the defense. Reports of pain The woman was seen in the Duke Hospital emergency room the morning of March 14. She said she was gang raped but not hit or struck. She reported that she was in excruciating pain, rating it a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Nurses and doctors, however, found no obvious discomfort and no associated symptoms of pain, such as grimacing, sweating, or changes in vital signs or posture. The next evening, March 15, a friend drove the woman to UNC Hospitals where she told doctors that she had been gang raped and knocked to the floor several times, at one point hitting her head on a sink. She said the men assaulted her with hands and fists. She said that she was very drunk that evening and that her neck was very painful when she sobered up, and her legs were wobbly. She reported neck pain of 7 on a scale of 1 to 10. One physician wrote, "Due to the patient's long psychological history, she is at very high risk of narcotic abuse, and at clinic, we have recommended not to prescribe the patient any narcotics." A second physician prescribed the muscle relaxant Flexeril and 15 doses of Percocet, a powerful narcotic painkiller. On March 16, two Durham police officers interviewed her at her home. Police narrative In a typewritten narrative of the interview produced in July, Sgt. Mark Gottlieb gave a detailed portrait of a woman in excruciating pain: "The victim had a very slow gate [sic] that was obviously painful while she was walking. Her facial expressions conveyed her pain as she ambulated. ... The victim had to take time to position herself carefully on the sofa so that her exterior portion of either hip was making contact with the cushion. Anytime her bottom touched the sofa cushion while repositioning during our visit, she groaned and had a facial expression consistent with pain." Nine days after that interview, according to the security manager Thomas, the woman was filmed dancing at the same club she had performed at the weekend before the lacrosse party. A three-second clip of the video was first shown on the CBS show "60 Minutes." The News & Observer viewed a copy of the entire pole dance segment. The video segment, about a minute long, shows the woman, introduced as Precious, as she approached a floor-to-ceiling pole on a stage, dressed in a thong and skimpy top. She grasped the pole and lowered herself into a squatting position, so that her buttocks almost touched the floor. With her hands on the floor, she stretched out her right leg vertically, as though she was kicking to the ceiling while squatting, and waved her leg several times to either side of the pole. The accuser's appearance was part of a longer recording documenting an event at the club that began March 25 and continued past midnight. Thomas said that an acquaintance of his filmed the evening and that the dancer seemed fine throughout the night. "She was regular. She danced like she always danced, good old Precious." He said he has known her since the beginning of the year. On March 28, she returned to UNC Hospitals complaining of pain in her neck, back and knees, according to documents in the investigative file. The doctor noted that she was in no obvious distress and did not renew the prescription for narcotics. She returned to UNC Hospitals on April 3, again complaining of neck pain of 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. "The patient is a well-appearing African-American female in no apparent distress," the doctor wrote. On April 11, the accuser met with Nifong and several investigators. Nifong said the woman was still so traumatized at this meeting that she barely spoke and did not discuss the alleged assault of one month earlier. "She probably did not speak 15 words," Nifong said in court Friday. "She had trouble making eye contact. She looked like she was going to cry.""

that hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper for good ole mike

10/29/2006 10:58:05 AM

no, actually, it doesn't.

polls suggest that he's going to win reelection which is what this whole case is all about anyway.

not only that, as an agent of the state, he has very broad immunity - not only will he never suffer any consequences, his actions also enjoy the support of 50% of the population in durham, and all the "civil rights" leaders in the nation have his back bigtime

if anything, this year is probably one of his happiest and most satisfying. I mean, wouldn't you feel like you were the shit if you successfully played an entire demographic to achieve your goals? I know I would

10/29/2006 11:12:10 AM

Criminal immunity yes, but not federal civil rights immunity - and certainly not immunity from professional discipline.

I would feel LIKE shit if I got my law license taken away from me. Which is likely what will happen in this case.

10/29/2006 3:01:39 PM

lol bullshit

i'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, just that the white lawyering establishment would never touch this issue. Jesse Jackson and the BPP made sure it became about race instead of the facts

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 6:24 PM. Reason : s]

10/29/2006 6:22:27 PM

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"Excoriator: Jesse Jackson and the BPP made sure it became about race instead of the facts"

Actually I think the racist remarks heard by neighbors started that...

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"hooksaw: PS: When Kobe Bryant was accused of rape, which I said was total bullshit from the beginning, did the Lakers cancel the season? Where do the lacrosse players go to get last season back? Where does the winning lacrosse coach who was fired go to get his Duke job back? Where do the falsely accused young men go to get their reputations back? Any woman who lies about being sexually assaulted should have a special place reserved for her in Hell."

AHA, you showed your ass again.

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"thatguyuknw3: Anyone else feel like being a Duke lacross player for Franklin Street...we are trying to get a whole team goin..."

Lame.

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"Nighthawk: Its ironic that the black community swarms around this girl and proclaims these young mens guilt with almost no evidence and apparently hardly even any testimony from the accuser, yet with ALL the shit that went down with OJ, many still claim he is innocnent. Fucking ironic I tell ya."

If I recall, it wasn't just black people "swarming around this girl." In fact, most of the faces at the little vigil thingy appeared to be white. This case struck a chord with a lot of people...nothing ironic about that. (I can't believe you brought OJ into this. LOL)

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 7:20 PM. Reason : PWNT all around!]

10/29/2006 7:08:21 PM

^ Uh. . ."showed my ass" how?

10/30/2006 2:54:52 AM

PS: "PWNT all around"? You're insane!

10/30/2006 2:59:36 AM

The "PWNT all around!" thing was a joke.

And you showed your ass when you bragged about prejudging the Kobe Bryant situation.

10/30/2006 3:02:46 AM

I knew it didn't smell right from the beginning. And I was right:

"When Bryant's accuser underwent her medical exam, swabs were taken from her vagina and thighs. Also, fabric samples were taken from the yellow underpants she wore to the exam and the purple pair worn during her encounter with Bryant. Initially, this evidence was analyzed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation at the crime lab in Denver, which found that the pair worn to the exam contained a semen stain belonging to a man other than Bryant.

The defense subsequently ran its own forensic tests on the underwear and the swabs collected from the accuser. The analysis was performed by a private lab in Ventura, Calif., operated by Marc Taylor, a former L.A. Medical Examiner's Office criminalist who worked as an expert witness for the O.J. Simpson defense team. Taylor's lab reported that it found sperm from a man other than Bryant -- identified as Mr. X -- in both pairs of the accuser's underwear and on the swabs taken from her body."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/31/scorecard0906/index.html

Kobe doesn't need to rape a woman. He gets more pussy thrown at him than most men would see in dozens of lifetimes.

As for O.J., I didn't bring him up but I agree with the guy who did. Some of us remember that he killed two people. And understand, I was a big fan of Juice--before he turned to murder.

10/30/2006 3:27:04 AM

I've always been inclined to think that OJ was innocent

I'll never understand this auto-guilt mechanism

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 7:01 AM. Reason : s]

10/30/2006 7:01:20 AM

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"Linwood Wilson, the investigator for District Attorney Mike Nifong, said Friday that he has watched the video but could not say with certainty that it was the accuser dancing."

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he, like his boss, has spent such little time with the accuser that he really doesn't have a good memory of what she looks like

10/30/2006 7:25:52 AM

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"I've always been inclined to think that OJ was innocent"

then you obviously paid no attention to that case

10/30/2006 8:20:57 AM

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"hooksaw: Kobe doesn't need to rape a woman. He gets more pussy thrown at him than most men would see in dozens of lifetimes."

This argument is silly, by the way. Sex can get boring, and sometimes people look to up the ante.

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 1:42 PM. Reason : sss]

10/30/2006 1:42:28 PM

and there are plenty of women that would be willing to give it to kobe any way he wanted them to, it's not silly it's just that there are women that throw themselves at men with money/celebrity status

10/30/2006 3:27:50 PM

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"Criminal immunity yes, but not federal civil rights immunity - and certainly not immunity from professional discipline. I would feel LIKE shit if I got my law license taken away from me. Which is likely what will happen in this case. "

I dont think they would win on a federal civil rights claim

10/30/2006 5:20:46 PM

exactly

10/30/2006 5:42:59 PM

sounds like something went down, but it was over-exaggerated

she obviously felt aggrieved

if she were that disillusioned, why would she even get herself into it? i don't think she's that complicated

if she were after publicity, surely we would've heard more by now

if anyone's guilty in the legal sense, it's nifong, but i doubt he's guilty of much

10/30/2006 8:06:56 PM

I haven't forgotten about the t shirts for the Dook basketball game.

Got Rape? with Duke logo on front

10/30/2006 8:10:52 PM

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"KeB: and there are plenty of women that would be willing to give it to kobe any way he wanted them to, it's not silly it's just that there are women that throw themselves at men with money/celebrity status"

If you cannot envision a situation where a wealthy, famous would commit rape, you're of a clean and pure mind.

I'm not denying that these men can get with tons of chicks, but to suggest that they're incapable of rape is silly.

10/31/2006 2:54:28 AM

^ Rough sex can cause the same type of "injuries." And some girls like it rough.

By the way, concerning the O.J. thing, my fiancee's former boss testified in the trial as a statistician. He had a photo of the "bloody glove" and the probability numbers that O.J. did it framed and hanging in his office. After seeing the trial and seeing those astronomical probability numbers, there is no doubt in my mind that O.J. did it. In addition, when he got off on murder charges, why did some people feel the need to cheer and celebrate?

10/31/2006 3:11:53 AM

^^i am in no way saying that a famous or rich person couldnt commit rape, i am just saying that in your given comment about kobe having to rape somebody b/c he is bored with sex when in reality there are plenty of women out there that would let him anything that he pleases.

At the same time i can also see a celebrity overstepping their boundaries with the reasoning that "hey i'm rich and famous you know you want it".

So i am def not putting it past any person to rape somebody

10/31/2006 3:51:35 AM

i really dont see how the video aids in the player's defense.

why is it hard to believe that the accuser had recovered from the pain of the attack in the 9 days in between her alleged attack and alleged performance? athletes "play through the pain" all the time, yet a dancer doing the same is discredited?

and the inconsistency of her emotions regarding the alleged attack seem absurd why? plenty of people have ups and downs following a traumatic incident. just because she didnt stop going to work and become homeless and depressed and stop eating, her story becomes harder to believe?

10/31/2006 9:08:45 AM

yes

10/31/2006 10:01:26 AM

wow, this is still going on?

10/31/2006 11:16:21 AM

yes, and just wait till the trial starts. If they have one.

10/31/2006 11:19:01 AM

in the N&O today

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"DURHAM - The second dancer in the Duke University lacrosse rape case told a television interviewer Monday that after she and the accuser left a team party, the accuser wanted to have marks on her body. The accuser's words came as Kim Roberts struggled to get the woman out of her car, Roberts said in the interview. "She pretty much had her head down, but she said, plain as day, 'Go ahead, go ahead, put marks on me. Go ahead. That's what I want,' " Roberts, also known as Kim Pittman, said on ABC's "Good Morning America.""

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/504586.html

the rest of the column reveals how Kim Roberts didn't tell any of this to the police; and though she's speaking about it on ABC's Good Morning America she feels bad about saying it b/c it may be prejudicial to the trial........................

gah she's such a horrible witness

[Edited on October 31, 2006 at 11:52 AM. Reason : ]

10/31/2006 11:50:41 AM

I read somewhere that the second stipper has hired someone (or been "contacted" by people) to help her "spin" this situation her way. She lost all credibility when she agreed to that. She is just another attention whore (zomg, literally?).

10/31/2006 1:04:36 PM

I know it's off-topic, but as far as the Kobe case goes, I'm with BridgetSPK. I won't make a judgement about whether or not it was rape in Kobe's case, but the number of women willing to throw themselves at a celebrity has nothing to do with how likely the celebrity is to rape a woman. Rape is less about sex and more about power. Even God's Gift to Women is capable of rape, and possibly even inclined to commit it.

10/31/2006 9:34:56 PM

likewise, false accusations of rape are about power

10/31/2006 9:36:02 PM

^^ Maybe, maybe not - but it does have a lot to do with the ability of those women to make false accusations of rape, which of course is what this entire thread is about.

11/1/2006 12:36:34 AM

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"KeB: ^^i am in no way saying that a famous or rich person couldnt commit rape, i am just saying that in your given comment about kobe having to rape somebody b/c he is bored with sex when in reality there are plenty of women out there that would let him anything that he pleases. At the same time i can also see a celebrity overstepping their boundaries with the reasoning that "hey i'm rich and famous you know you want it". So i am def not putting it past any person to rape somebody"

Except I never said that Kobe Bryant had "to rape somebody b/c he is bored with sex." I merely objected to hooksaw's assertion that "Kobe doesn't need to rape a woman. He gets more pussy thrown at him than most men would see in dozens of lifetimes." Perhaps you misunderstood me?

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"Wolfpack2K: ^^ Maybe, maybe not - but it does have a lot to do with the ability of those women to make false accusations of rape, which of course is what this entire thread is about."

I'm not following. The word "ability" is throwing me off. Did you mean "inclination"?

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 3:52 AM. Reason : "merely objected to an assertion" Shit, I sound obnoxious.]

11/1/2006 3:51:12 AM

If the newspapers are not going to print the accuser's name, they shouldn't print the names of the accused unless there is a conviction.



















My bad. I thought the newspapers might want people to believe they're impartial.
Thinking about it, maybe it's better for people to realize they're yellow journalism.

11/1/2006 11:03:31 AM

i think the lying bitch should be charged with crimes once its found she is lying.

11/1/2006 12:59:42 PM

I wonder if you could get both Nifong and the stripper on libel and slander and conspiracy to comit libel and slander charges.

11/1/2006 1:31:23 PM

not a chance in hell

11/1/2006 1:32:20 PM

I don't know which is worse:
1) The accuser is lying and nothing really happened
or
2) She did in fact get raped

On one hand I would never want someone to be raped. On the other hand, if she is lying, this will have lasting effects because it will cause more people to make horrible comments like, "i think the lying bitch should be charged with crimes once its found she is lying" and it will deter others from ever reporting it.

11/1/2006 2:34:21 PM

I love Nifong's campaign signs...They're so creative:

keep
NIFONG

11/1/2006 4:44:50 PM

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"On one hand I would never want someone to be raped. On the other hand, if she is lying, this will have lasting effects because it will cause more people to make horrible comments like, "i think the lying bitch should be charged with crimes once its found she is lying""

What's horrible about that? In my opinion, someone who makes a false accusation of rape should get the same penalty that her victims would have got if they had been convicted.

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"I wonder if you could get both Nifong and the stripper on libel and slander and conspiracy to comit libel and slander charges."

Crystal Mangum, yes. Nifong, no - he likely enjoys prosecutorial immunity. The only way to get Nifong, probably (I'm not an expert on NC law) is to go after him on a federal civil rights action.

11/1/2006 5:05:43 PM

To enjoy such imunity wouldn't he have to act in his responsibilities as a prosecuter? Couldn't you argue that he was negligent in his duties and shouldn't enjoy such immunity? Not saying you could win it but would it be possible to argue it succesfully?

11/1/2006 8:42:35 PM

^and that's what they would determine in a civil suit

11/1/2006 8:50:09 PM

I was responding to the "lying b***h" comment. My fear is that it would serve to encourage people to dismiss accusers as "lying b***hes" prior to trial.

11/2/2006 9:59:33 AM

^^^ Not really - prosecuting people is within his duties as prosecutor. The whole reason for immunity is to protect against negligence suits for someone acting within their official duties.

^ If it becomes so clear that the person is lying, then what's wrong with it?

11/2/2006 6:32:15 PM

Double edged sword as far as the lying bitch thing goes.

No, people who make the accusation shouldn't be discounted

But I dont think that means that those who clearly make the accusation falsely should go unpunished. The solution though would be to only punish in clear cases of lying where a seperate trial could be made to really determine that, not just in cases where the defendant is found innocent.

[Edited on November 3, 2006 at 2:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2006 2:53:34 AM

there is no way they would win a federal civil rights claim. Nifong would ahve to be depriving them of some constitutional right which he is not doing. You cant even argue equal protection because being rich is not a protected class

11/3/2006 10:34:14 AM

I fail to see how it is "clear" she is lying, if your opinion is based upon information made public via the defendants on 60 minutes, the other Stripper, and the internet. Coupling this with "armchair" legal analysis does not make something "clear"

11/3/2006 12:08:01 PM

I think those guys did it. Nifong would not be going this far to make a bafoon out of himself. If someone sais they were raped, then by god give them their day in court.

11/3/2006 12:13:56 PM

Mike Nifuck:



WHAT A FUCKWAD!

11/3/2006 12:33:01 PM

Nervous Nellie Brodhead:

11/3/2006 12:36:48 PM

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"I think those guys did it. Nifong would not be going this far to make a bafoon out of himself."

Unless he was a buffoon, in which case he couldn't help it.

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"If someone sais they were raped, then by god give them their day in court."

I think that is why they actually are going to court with this case.

11/3/2006 12:49:41 PM