^I agree with your post...I'm not sure you'll find many people who would disagree with the moves Gottfried has made. I love his staff. The attitude of the team seems much better based on what the players have said in interviews. Obviously the recruiting has been incredible. I have no idea if Alex Johnson will be a significant player for this team on the court, but (another poster pointed this out as well) I think it was a very smart move to bring in a veteran point guard leader who can help the team out rather than rush to scoop up whatever remaining PG was available in this recruiting class.


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11/2/2011 8:59:46 PM

I'm interested to see what kind of role De Thaey has this year. I thought he would end up being a project/practice team player, but after seeing that short clip of him at practice he looks like he could be a solid contributor

11/2/2011 9:04:14 PM

i personally like that he didn't go out of his way to appease Harrow. we needed a complete overhaul after the lackadaisical play and carelessness Lowe's regime perpetuated.

but i agree with you about De Thaey. that guy is a beast. what's even better is that he is a 20 year old freshman, so he won't get pushed around as much as a freshman normally would. he's got some guns on him.

11/2/2011 9:24:35 PM

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"I'm interested to see what kind of role De Thaey has this year"

enforcer?

11/2/2011 9:25:38 PM

i am personally hoping he becomes our goon.

11/2/2011 9:38:29 PM

Well, he is in the Brute Squad



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11/2/2011 9:48:00 PM

Brad Stevens lost to Northern State tonight

11/2/2011 10:01:35 PM

De Thaey is already my favorite player on the team

11/2/2011 10:25:40 PM

Things certainly seem to be going in the right direction, but that was the case with Lowe for his first year. The preseason has turned out well, but none of this shit matters until we demonstrate improvement in games.

11/2/2011 10:53:53 PM

PackGuitar AstralEngine From time to time I get these things right. They didn't let me write for StateFansNation for nothing (#humblebrag should go here... I mean come on, that's like a reputable journalistic institution right?).

^I think the biggest difference between Gottfried and Lowe at this point is his track record coming into the position. My last article <http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/21/the-importance-of-qualifications-gottfried-and-his-staff/> went through this in detail, but Gottfried and his staff come into the 2011 season with relevant coaching experience adding up to 8 conference championships and 1 national championship compared to Lowe's staff that came into the 2006 season with only 2 conference championships of experience. That's not to mention the fact that Lowe had never coached on college game in his life when he started in 2006 compared to Gottfried who previously had Alabama ranked #1 briefly and made an appearance in the elite eight as a head coach (also coached on a UCLA national championship team).

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11/2/2011 11:10:02 PM

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"They didn't let me write for StateFansNation for nothing"

lol

11/2/2011 11:10:39 PM

#dumbbrag

11/2/2011 11:14:13 PM

My god stop bringing this stuff up like its new information. Everyone already knows he got Alabama to #1 in the nation, won a title with UCLA, etc. Everyone already knows UNCC made three straight round of 32 appearances.

Re-read what's already been discussed ad nauseam first please

11/2/2011 11:16:16 PM

HaHa... sarcasm is lost on some I guess.

It's been stated, yet comparisons to "we felt better when Lowe came around" also keep getting stated over and over again. If the information has already been stated repeatedly, then it would help to stop making stupid comparisons about "well, we've been optimistic before" by comparing Gottfried to... anyone. Being cautious is healthy, but there is absolutely nothing to show he's anything like our previous coaches.

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11/2/2011 11:18:56 PM

I actually read the article you wrote and really liked it. I ironically just had my roommate read it as we were discussing Warren just a few minutes ago before I saw this thread. Small world.

edit: also I agree that Gott is nothing like the others and he really is a high calibur coach. what happened to end his tenure at Bama was an unfortunate fluke and his work as an analyst since then has helped him network. The class he brought in is top notch and he's turned practices and conditioning around and there's proof of that in Howell's weight loss, the rigor of practice, and putting CJ Leslie in check. He has plans to take the guys to Spain for exhibition play against pro European teams and has organized tougher schedules to get us noticed. Yow has been trying to re-brand us as STATE, which is great and all in all the program is picking up.

Now just let Yow hire a football *cough Mike Leach* coach.

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11/3/2011 12:39:23 AM

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"Now just let Yow hire a football *cough Mike Leach* coach. "

[NO]

11/3/2011 2:16:16 AM

If Tony Haynes should ever retire, my vote is Mike Leach for Color Analyst

11/3/2011 2:21:39 AM

^^who do you realistically think we could get and why not Leach?

11/3/2011 2:44:36 AM

Because he's suing his last school? Because no parent is gonna want their kid to go where he is the head coach?

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11/3/2011 7:34:15 AM

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"why he got let go from 'bama"

this discussion is muddying up the recruiting thread... and not that it matters.... but didn't he leave (kinda similar to herb)?

11/3/2011 2:05:15 PM

I think he resigned/stepped down mid-season.

From wiki:

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"On January 26, 2009, following the controversial departure of player Ronald Steele and a meeting with Alabama Athletics Director Mal Moore, Gottfried resigned mid-season as basketball coach at the University of Alabama."

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11/3/2011 2:18:33 PM

Well, similar to Herb in the sense that He left before he could be let go, although i don't think there's evidence thatcFpwler was going to fire Herb. Just having the fan base calling for it and it happening are two different things.

Gottfried alledgedly had some, shall we say "personal issues with the student body" and some trouble with his players in the middle of a disappointing start which followed a disappointing season and resigned.

11/3/2011 2:20:48 PM

Fowler would not have fired Herb. Gott's time at Bama started going down hill when Early left.

11/3/2011 2:26:23 PM

It seems that Warren especially credits Early in recruiting him.

11/3/2011 2:30:10 PM

Article about Gottfried by a Tarheel (it's not bad)

http://theblackfalcon.net/articles/thegottfather.html

(dp)

11/3/2011 4:18:46 PM

The gotfather...

I like it

11/3/2011 5:17:45 PM

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"Note 3: This doesn't really go with the rest of my piece, but to any Pack readers: if you aren't already happy Harrow left, you should be. If Larry Drew taught anyone anything, it's that chemistry matters. You're better off. Trust me."

Best quote of the article.

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11/3/2011 5:52:26 PM

It's fun reading a tarheel piece without blood shooting out of my eyes. I guess its better when you put your bias upfront rather than hiding behind the joke of journalistic integrity.

11/3/2011 6:57:24 PM

gottfather.... I like it.

I like this coach a lot... first time I've said that since I've been old enough to really care/follow NCSU sports.

11/3/2011 6:58:41 PM

Not a bad article

11/3/2011 7:21:00 PM

sad thing is, most of the unc fans trashing ncsu are people who never attended unc. I've noticed that amongst their fans, a lot of graduates are level-headed and dont resort to name calling, while wal-mart fans feel like they need to live up to their perception of "The Carolina Way" and belittle their (non)rivals.

11/3/2011 7:35:39 PM

pulling for Bama in the football game: -0.1 credibility

11/5/2011 8:22:35 PM

I won't hold that against him

11/5/2011 8:23:48 PM

thats why i only subtracted a tenth of a point

he actually recruited a few of the current players to play basketball

11/5/2011 8:24:23 PM

It always pissed me off when Herb pulled for Carnegie Mellon

11/5/2011 8:26:41 PM

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"I've noticed that amongst their fans, a lot of graduates are level-headed and dont resort to name calling, while wal-mart fans feel like they need to live up to their perception of "The Carolina Way" and belittle their (non)rivals."

I have not noticed this in the slightest.

In fact, those that went to UNC are the wine & cheese crowd that is the worst.

11/5/2011 8:26:58 PM

lol @ the broke-ass Grantland footnotes on that BLACK FALCON site

11/5/2011 8:29:02 PM

lol this is Carnegie Mellon's football stadium (as if Brass Monkey couldn't already tell you the concrete subcontractor who poured the slab during its 1990 construction)

11/5/2011 8:29:30 PM

I've noticed it. I can have a reasonable conversation with a few unc-ch graduates I know. It's the redneck wal-mart unc-ch fans that are intolerable.

11/5/2011 8:30:23 PM

thats a nice luxury/press box

11/5/2011 8:32:52 PM

I've noticed both kinds of UNC alumni. The kind that's just their normal fan base who went to UNC and the kind who actually has a level head about things.

I think it's got less to do with the alumni/not alumni thing than it does the kind of people you interact with.

11/5/2011 9:31:07 PM

^^^^So the visitor's side seats, like, 20 people?

11/5/2011 10:13:05 PM

maybe like 1800 no idea

11/5/2011 10:17:39 PM

5 star recruits or not, this right here gives me more hope than anything. from what i've seen via performance, i don't think anyone since Valvano had bothered to coach rebounding:

http://www.twitvid.com/NLDCK



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11/7/2011 1:48:05 PM

Gottfried's trademark is his offense. As a result, our defense still looks like it's lagging a little, but seeing our players fight for the rebound is really nice. I'm still holding off on any kudos until I see it during a game, though. When Herb left and Lowe came to Raleigh, rebounding was something that supposedly was going to be improved on.

11/8/2011 8:32:34 AM

^^ I'm sure we haven't had a coach since V that has never ran similar rebounding drills...

11/8/2011 8:49:24 AM

I read that three times and still don't know what you're trying to say.

11/8/2011 9:21:01 AM

I heard Scott's comments about pracitcing more game situations as opposed to set plays, but I'd be willing to bet every college coach does that rebounding drill sometimes. just saying.

11/8/2011 11:53:44 AM

scientific studies has shown rebounding is a function of talent and really can't be improved by coaching. Yes, different emphasis can be put on rebounding at the expense of defense, but even that has a minute impact.

We've got good rebounders at every position (except Wood at SF who never gets any) so we should be fine in that department this year.

11/8/2011 3:42:06 PM

11/8/2011 4:53:07 PM