ah, well i haven't plateaued just yet, so maybe if i get down to 12-13 and can't seem to knock off the last couple of %, ill give your method a shot

3/15/2012 12:47:35 PM

A lot of misunderstanding and misconceptions of insulin, meal timing, and (lack of) breakfast importance ITT.

FYI, insulin resistance and diabetes is not a function of meal timing or carb intake. It is grounded in body composition and being sedentary.

3/15/2012 12:53:15 PM

The basic principle is that when you are fasting you are in fat burning mode.

When you eat, your insulin spikes and you don't really burn fat for the next 2 hours. Then slowly you begin burning fat again.

If you're eating frequently during the day you're never allowing your body to really go into fat burning mode.

Not to mention if you eat small meals you will be hungry ALL THE TIME so its harder for people to maintain their diet.

Reduce your feeding window and eat full meals when you eat. Don't waste your calories on bullshit. If you're eating 6 meals a day you're probably downing bullshit snacks like nuts, protein bars, shakes, crackers, etc.

Skipping breakfast is a great way to lose fat. When I'm really on point I skip lunch too. If you can make it to 5-6 pm everyday before you begin eating you'll lose fat an incredible rate.

3/15/2012 1:12:43 PM

Weight loss is purely a function of calorie deficit. If fasting causes you to eat less, then yes, you will lose weight.

Fat loss is a slightly different animal. To maximize fat loss when losing weight you need two critical things beyond achieving a calorie deficit....

1. Eat high protein. Protein becomes nutrient numbero uno when you are in a calorie deficit. It will help spare lean mass (read: muscle) and mitigate hunger.

2. Strength Train. High tension in muscles signals protein synthesis (aka muscle building). If protein breakdown is not balanced/mitigated by protein synthesis, you will lose muscle mass to supply your body with nutrients.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM. Reason : words and grammar]

3/15/2012 1:42:00 PM

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"^^ You are misremembering. I was the one with the good suggestion to skip breakfast in order to lose fat."

i would think that skipping any meal would result in fat loss......

but like you mentioned, you offered a suggestion. we thank you for your suggestion but like i mentioned earlier, everyone is built differently and have to find what works for them. it works for you...awesome.

i wake up hungry. i stop eating around 6:30/7:00pm at night and eat my first meal 7:00am the next day. i have to eat - i don't feel good if i go any longer. the only time i can push off eating when i wake up is if i work out as soon as i get up.

and i'm in great shape. so yeah. to each is own i guess.

3/15/2012 2:06:52 PM

You don't have to eat your body is just used to it. You should work on training your body to not need food so frequently and you'd see better fat loss results.

I didn't just start off not eating until 6 PM everyday I gradually worked my way to it. Tomorrow don't eat until 8 AM, add 30 minutes a day until you're at like noon. After that it will be easy to progress to 6 PM. You have to get control of your body it will adapt quite easily.

3/15/2012 2:14:28 PM

6 pm? how long of a window are you eating for?

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM. Reason : e]

3/15/2012 2:15:44 PM

I really hope people are just ignoring this guy and not actually taking any of his comments seriously.

If you want educated advice, go talk to a dietitian. Not the internet, and not some personal trainer who gets his information from Men's Health. Your diet is the most important aspect of getting in shape. Treat it that way.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM. Reason : 1]

3/15/2012 2:19:15 PM

usually 6-12 PM if I'm not drinking but later if I'm drinking... Why would you ignore advice that is grounded in science and reality?

Quote :

" 3. Myth: Eat small meals to keep blood sugar levels under control. Truth According to legions of diet and health "experts," eating small meals every so often will help you avoid hunger pangs, provide you with stable energy throughout the day and keep you mentally sharp. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, blood sugar is extremely well-regulated and maintained within a tight range in healthy people. It does not swing wildly up and down like a chimpanzee on meth and it doesn't plummet from going a few hours without food. Or even a full day without food. Or a week without food for that matter. People seem to believe they will suffer severe hunger and mental impairment from not eating every so often. Consider for a second the evolutionary consequences for survival if this was true. Given that regular periods of fasting, even famine, was a natural part of our past, do you think we'd be here today if we were unable to function when obtaining food was most critical? I have seen healthy young males, bodybuilders nonetheless, complain of lethargy and mental haze if they didn't get to eat for a few hours. It's completely absurd. But I digress... Maintaining blood sugar is of very high priority and we have developed efficient pathways that will make it happen even under extreme conditions. If you were to fast for 23 hrs and then go for a 90 min run at 70-75% VO2max, your blood sugar after the run would be identical to the same run performed in the fed state. It would take no less than three days or 84 hours of fasting to reach blood sugar levels low enough to affect your mental state; and this is temporary, as your brain adapts to the use of ketones. During 48 hours of fasting, or severe calorie deprivation, blood sugar is maintained within a normal range no measure of cognitive performance is negatively affected. For more on blood sugar, read my review of Eat Stop Eat Expanded Edition, which includes a relevant excerpt. Also, keep in mind that the above cited studies are all performed under conditions that are much more extreme than the fasting protocol I, or Brad Pilon, recommends. What about blood sugar and hunger? Blood sugar is one of many short-term feedback mechanisms used to regulate hunger and the notion which exists to say that low blood sugar may cause hunger is correct. Low just means lower range. This is subject to numerous confounders, such as your habitual diet, energy intake and genetics. Most importantly perhaps, it's subject to entrained meal patterns, regulated by ghrelin and other metabolic hormones. In essence, this means that blood sugar follows the meal pattern you are used to. This is relevant for those who fear blood sugar issues and hunger from regular periods of fasting, as it serves to explain why people can easily adapt to regular periods of fasting without negative effects. Origin Not sure how people came to believe that skipping a meal would dumb them down. There is some truth to blood sugar and hunger, but this is often taken out of context. There's no need to eat regularly to "maintain" blood sugar as it maintains itself just fine and adapts to whatever meal pattern you choose. "

3/15/2012 2:23:09 PM

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"If you want educated advice, go talk to a dietitian. Not the internet, and not some personal trainer who gets his information from Men's Health."

You do realize dieticians and nutritionists generally advocate the food pyramid, right?

They also tend to recommend whole grains to diabetics, and advocate against low-carb/ketogenic diets. Even in the face of hard evidence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1325029/

And, if you are going to make a claim against my knowledge, at least base it on some facts. I get the majority of my information from Lyle McDonald's books and website http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, and actively stay up-to-date on the latest nutrition literature.

FYI: Here what is next on my nutrition reading list: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrition-Metabolism-Sareen-Gropper/dp/0495116572/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331836899&sr=8-1

Just because I hurt your feelings bashing crossfit in another thread, doesn't give you the ground to make baseless claims about my knowledge.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 2:53 PM. Reason : moar words]

3/15/2012 2:49:45 PM

the internet is the best place to go for information on anything. Why would i go to one dietician whose credentials i know nothing about and who may not have studied nutrition in 20 years and has no idea what they are talking about?

I certainly wouldn't recommend any mass marketed material or the advice perpetuated in fitness magazines. All they talk about is ineffective ab exercises and ways to add lbs to your bench press. Those magazines perpetuate the same myths over and over again because its what people want to hear.

People always want to take the easy way out with cardio and eating a lot. In reality you need to be a lot smarter than that. That's why no one ever gets real results.

Sure a total fat ass who is 15-20% bodyfat can lose weight by eating six small meals instead of six huge meals and wasting thousands of hours on an elliptical. But he's not going to get abs, sorry.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 3:13 PM. Reason : a]

3/15/2012 3:12:06 PM

Easy with the roid rage dude. I dont remember even mentioning you. But if you took it that way, you might want to reevaluate yourself.

I dont know anything about you, and I dont really care what your credentials are. But unless you are a certified dieticien, offering nutrition advice is actually illegal.

Also, from ACSM:

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"The ACSM has one of the most rigorous certification programs, but the group still says its trainers should discuss no more than the most basic nutrition guidelines found on the government's food pyramid."

3/15/2012 3:22:53 PM

C'mon guys, get with the hivemind. The fitness/nutrition industry knows best, and they do not have a vested interest in making sure that you maintain a mediocre physique. Six small meals a day, otherwise you're going to blow up and get diabetes.

3/15/2012 3:30:02 PM

In response to the low-carb ketogenic diet, they only used this treatment in 28 patients. That isn't really "hard" evidence. It also mentions they need to be under close diet control to even have this treatment, so advocating for that should be followed-up immediately with, "but make sure you do this with aid from your physician."

3/15/2012 3:32:53 PM

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"Easy with the roid rage dude. I dont remember even mentioning you. But if you took it that way, you might want to reevaluate yourself. I dont know anything about you, and I dont really care what your credentials are. But unless you are a certified dieticien, offering nutrition advice is actually illegal. "

Considering I am just about the only personal trainer in this thread giving out nutrition guidance, it is not a long stretch to deduce that you were referring to me. Secondly, this isn't the first time we've exchanged unfriendly dialogue.

And what exactly should I reevaluate about myself? Getting annoyed by an internet figure who questions my knowledge? Yea, maybe I shouldn't care, and I don't really care that much, but I am going to respond to what might be attacks on my credibility.

Yes, technically it is illegal to give out diet advice if you are not a registered dietician or nutritionist. So this whole fucking thread is a violation of law, so lets just shut it down. I mean, since it's against the law, it can't be useful or provide utility. Blow jobs are illegal too in NC, and I'll be damned if I tell my GF to stop doing that.

3/15/2012 4:00:39 PM

How is that not hard evidence? How many people would you need to look at? It's a lot better than erroneous claims backed by exactly zero evidence that frequent eating prevents diabetes.

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"Twenty-one of the 28 participants who were enrolled completed the study. Twenty participants were men; 13 were White, 8 were African-American. The mean [± SD] age was 56.0 ± 7.9 years and BMI was 42.2 ± 5.8 kg/m2. Hemoglobin A1c decreased by 16% from 7.5 ± 1.4% to 6.3 ± 1.0% (p < 0.001) from baseline to week 16. Diabetes medications were discontinued in 7 participants, reduced in 10 participants, and unchanged in 4 participants. The mean body weight decreased by 6.6% from 131.4 ± 18.3 kg to 122.7 ± 18.9 kg (p < 0.001). In linear regression analyses, weight change at 16 weeks did not predict change in hemoglobin A1c. Fasting serum triglyceride decreased 42% from 2.69 ± 2.87 mmol/L to 1.57 ± 1.38 mmol/L (p = 0.001) while other serum lipid measurements did not change significantly."

The "frequent eating" conventional wisdom doesn't pass the common sense test. Our ancestors didn't have access to 6 meals a deal. You ate when you could find food.

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"The ACSM has one of the most rigorous certification programs, but the group still says its trainers should discuss no more than the most basic nutrition guidelines found on the government's food pyramid."

The food pyramid? Really? If a trainer brought up the food pyramid in anything other than jest, that would be our last session. It's like the government wants people to be fat and unattractive.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM. Reason : ]

3/15/2012 4:01:07 PM

YOU GUYS.......

3/15/2012 4:10:59 PM

People just HATE to find out that the advice they've been following (and not getting results with) is wrong.

Which is crazy. I used to train my everliving nutsac off in my early 20's. Yes, I looked good. But i was lifting for ~75 minute sessions 4-5 times a week, playing basketball 5 times a week, and doing cardio. And eating clean (yes drinking a lot too).

Now, I do 1/3rd of the work and am getting better results because i actually follow correct guidelines instead of the old school poor advice that most people follow.

3/15/2012 4:12:21 PM

To be fair, that study talks about ketogenic diets, not intermittent fasting. However there is evidence that supports the benefits of fasting on glycemia.

3/15/2012 4:12:40 PM

3/15/2012 4:16:52 PM

Quote :

"You don't have to eat your body is just used to it. You should work on training your body to not need food so frequently and you'd see better fat loss results. I didn't just start off not eating until 6 PM everyday I gradually worked my way to it. Tomorrow don't eat until 8 AM, add 30 minutes a day until you're at like noon. After that it will be easy to progress to 6 PM. You have to get control of your body it will adapt quite easily."

I eat 3 meals a day. I would consider that a fair amount of control. Considering you don't know me nor what I look like it's not really fair for you to judge what my fat percentage is to begin with. I would imagine mine is on the lower end of "normal" for a female with my height. I'm not looking to be a fitness model so going much lower wouldn't make any sense.

My work schedule is not normal either. I'm at work before most people have even woken up and I don't eat until an hour after I get to work.

Like I mentioned above, I appreciate your suggestions, as does everyone else, but your way might not be for everyone. I tried IF and it didn't fit right with my lifestyle and schedule. And that's okay. I have a really solid diet and work out plan and am in control. I think those are the most important aspects.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM. Reason : Omg ipad]

3/15/2012 4:20:51 PM

im just basing it on you saying that you "need food" in the morning. You don't you just think you do

3/15/2012 4:57:04 PM

I probably don't physically "need" it, but I sure feel better when I do it. I think there is no doubt it could potentially help certain people who are having trouble reaching specific goals; however, I don't think it's something everyone needs to be doing. At a certain point, the benefits of something like that are just not big enough for me to worry about the inconvenience.

3/15/2012 5:21:05 PM

let's clear this up: food pyramid my plate

and yes, personal trainers aren't supposed to give in depth nutrition advice unless they have additional certifications (see the Dietetics/Nutrition Practice Act under chapter 90 of the North Carolina General Statutes).

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"You do realize dieticians and nutritionists generally advocate the food pyramid, right?"

This is one of the reasons why I don't like posting nutrition advice - I don't necessarily agree with all of the government's guidelines on nutrition, even though I'm "encouraged to." In summary - in order to stay within our scope of practice and not get sued, we use Decision Aids, which are essentially guidelines set forth by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (formerly ADA) and other government agencies.

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"FYI: Here what is next on my nutrition reading list: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrition-Metabolism-Sareen-Gropper/dp/0495116572/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331836899&sr=8-1"

I have that book if you want to borrow it. I also have an older edition (27th, I think they're on 29th now) of Harper's Illustrated Biochemistry which is also a good reference.

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"Why would i go to one dietician whose credentials i know nothing about and who may not have studied nutrition in 20 years and has no idea what they are talking about?"

In order to maintain RD credentials, you have to have a certain number of continuing education hours every few years (I think it's 75 hours every 5 years).

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 5:42 PM. Reason : is this The Soap Box?]

3/15/2012 5:24:44 PM

Triple whoppers are the key. Sample size me.

3/15/2012 5:51:51 PM

Yes but you said yourself dieticians are supposed to follow the government propaganda.

It's akin to learning economics from a college professor. He's paid by the government to brainwash students. No thanks I like unbiased information

3/15/2012 6:09:20 PM

For someone who gets so annoyed by Crossfit's "weekend certification", dont you find it hypocritical to think that your nutrition advice based on an Amazon curriculum is more educated than an accredited program?

Anyway, I think it's important for the people in this thread who have honest questions about their diet to know that there is a big difference between the professionals and the internet geniuses. Especially considering all of the silly diet schemes that are being posted.

3/15/2012 6:13:20 PM

I used that amazon book in FN620 (Advanced Nutrient Metabolism I).

3/15/2012 6:18:25 PM

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"Anyway, I think it's important for the people in this thread who have honest questions about their diet to know that there is a big difference between the professionals and the internet geniuses. Especially considering all of the silly diet schemes that are being posted."

"Experts" passed some arbitrary, state-sanctioned certification, therefore they must be right.

It's just like the article posted on the previous page about heart disease. 95% of doctors will suggest a low fat, low cholesterol, high carbohydrate diet supplemented with statin drugs for potential heart disease patients, even in the face of mounting evidence that a very different approach is needed.

My advice, as in all areas, is to stop trusting the government for unbiased information. Monsanto virtually runs the Department of Agriculture and they don't want people to stop guzzling down HFCS any time soon. Conventional wisdom isn't always right.

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM. Reason : ]

3/15/2012 6:52:04 PM

Quote :

"stop trusting the government for unbiased information"

3/15/2012 8:11:50 PM

This thread has gone full retard. Was a good thread too.

3/15/2012 9:19:17 PM

Lets get it back on track! It's 3 months into everyone's New Year goals - where do you stand?

I didn't set any specific goals set but I wanted to get to a good maintaining weight (just about there! One more pound to go), try running 1 race a month (just signed up for a race in April - the only month I didn't race was January), and keep tweaking my diet and learning more about my allergy (I'm still wrapping my head around it, still have some slip ups but I'm learning).

3/15/2012 10:32:54 PM

Yes, let's get back on track.

I'm inviting ALL OF YOU to take one of my boot camp classes this week FOR FREE. Two choices: Friday at noon or Saturday at 9am. The address is 2700 Wycliff Road. Located in the Martin Marietta complex, ground floor of the middle building - you would never know a gym was there unless someone told you. So I'm telling you. And you should come.

porcha and CassTheSass usually attend the Saturday class. Maybe I can get Sayer to come so you can meet the worst juror ever along with other tdub celebrities.

All fitness levels welcome!

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM. Reason : no excuses]

3/15/2012 10:34:05 PM

Can I also just say that even if you backed up your claims with an article that summarizes a particular study, just be careful and do your own homework. They tend to cherry pick information or misinterpret something that the author said, especially if you're not so scientifically minded and reading them as a lay person.

3/15/2012 10:37:07 PM

Quote :

"For someone who gets so annoyed by Crossfit's "weekend certification", dont you find it hypocritical to think that your nutrition advice based on an Amazon curriculum is more educated than an accredited program? "

HCH, how do you think people become experts? Go to school? Hardly.

Experts have immersed themselves in a given field. They read all the latest and greatest material on it. They experiment on themselves. They have practical experience in the field. The best are always questioning the status quo.

Accreditation is generally bullshit. It's all about money. It can be useful to set a standard, but it is usually not very high.

And, I don't find it hypocritical. I don't judge people by the letters or certifications behind their name. I judge them by their practical experience, effectiveness, and willingness to learn.

The crossfit certification is shitty because any one with $1000, an interest in masochistic exercise and a free weekend can become Crossfit Level 1 Certified. I disagree with a lot of nutritionists because it seems hard evidence is falling on deaf ears and blind eyes.

3/15/2012 10:37:12 PM

Exactly. How could you doubt MattJM when he consistently posts correct information and has the body and clientele backing up his claims?

It makes no sense.

Oh wait, Fitness Latino Magazine just told me to increase my bench by 20 lbs all i have to do is crossover cables for a week and take Cell-Tech Creatine.

And calling Lyle McDonald "amazon material" is just laughable. You are the kind of guy who listens to the State of the Union Address from Obama and thinks he actually understands the economy better than the business owners do.


Please, can I get advice from someone who recommends i eat 5 vegetables, 4 fruits, 3 dairys, 2 proteins, and only 1 fat each day!!!!!

[Edited on March 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM. Reason : a]

3/15/2012 11:01:55 PM

I'm starting my cut for beach season this Sunday...

I'm going to miss my desserts

3/15/2012 11:04:46 PM

I'm interested to follow along. I'll probably do a lesser version, because my sloth sometimes takes control.

3/15/2012 11:07:09 PM

This nutrition argument of the last few pages reminds me of this gem Skwinkle posted:

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"No fruit. Fruit is bad. Fruit is sugar. Wait! How can fruit be bad? Fruit is ok...you should be having some fruit. You don't have enough green vegies. Only leafy vegies. Green smoothies, oh wait, those are too high calorie. Splenda is bad. Stevia is unproven. Diet Soda is horrible, coffee is bad, dairy is bad, wheat is bad, flour is bad, sugar is bad, gluten is bad. Too much protein, not enough protein. Protein powder is helpful and the body absorbs it FASTER. Protein powder is BAD because the body burns more calories when you eat real food. Drink more water. Too much water is bad. Don't drink water with meals or it ruins digestion. Protein bars are a good snack, protein bars are bad for you. Meals have to be precisely 40/40/20 or no, wait, 40/30/30 no wait 60/20/20. Every 3 hours you must eat. Deli meat has sodium. Don't eat red meat. Go fat free. No, you need fat. This fat is ok, this fat is not ok. Count calories. Don't count calories, count fat grams. Eat salads, don't eat salads. You can't ever drink. Cheat days are bad. You must have a cheat day to confuse your body. No one needs dairy. Dairy helps with weight loss. Avoid everything white. Go on the Zone. Atkins always works. Shakes only. Slim-Fast. Frozen meals are the curse of the devil. Avoid salt. Only egg whites. A few egg yolks are ok. Carrots have too much sugar. Only eat clean. More fiber, less fiber. Lo-carb, moderate carb, high carb. Calories: don't count calories. Calories don't count, fat counts. Calories don't count, carbs count. Shoot for 2200 calories if you are training that hard!! No! You still have to keep calories LOW even if you are working out. Stagger calories. Stagger carbs. Cheat day vs. Cheat meal. Do you see the madness here? There are all these opinions and ideas about what works best- and I am not saying that the people that told me this or that were WRONG. For THEM, a certain way works. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF EATING AND "DIETING" AND TRAINING THAT IS SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM FOR US. ONLY FOR US. What works for ME might not work for you. What works for you might sound hideous to me. "

3/15/2012 11:23:51 PM

Allow me to replace her confusion with correct dietary information.

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"No fruit. Fruit is bad. Fruit is sugar. Wait! How can fruit be bad? Fruit is ok...you should be having some fruit. "

Fruit is healthy in moderation. You don't want to eat 3,000 calories worth of fruit per day, but you aren't a fat ass because you ate an orange at work.

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" You don't have enough green vegies. Only leafy vegies. Green smoothies, oh wait, those are too high calorie. "

Leafy veggies are completely different than starchy vegetables. If you can't comprehend the difference between spinach and corn then forget about ever having a good body.

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"Splenda is bad. Stevia is unproven. Diet Soda is horrible, coffee is bad, dairy is bad, wheat is bad, flour is bad, sugar is bad, gluten is bad. "

You shouldn't eat bullshit. Wow. What a breakthrough. Don't eat skittles either. Coffee is fine though. Dairy can definitely slow down fat loss and wreak havoc on digestion for many though.

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"Too much protein, not enough protein. Protein powder is helpful and the body absorbs it FASTER. Protein powder is BAD because the body burns more calories when you eat real food. Drink more water. Too much water is bad. Don't drink water with meals or it ruins digestion. Protein bars are a good snack, protein bars are bad for you. "

No one ever says you are eating too much protein so that's a dumb comment. Too little protein is obviously bad. Protein powder is obviously not bad but it's not as good for satiety so if you're a fatass you should chew instead. Water is not bad unless consumed in extreme amounts, don't be ridiculous. Protein bars are not a good snack because they contain too much sugar. All of this is REALLY basic advice, nothing complicated here.

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" Meals have to be precisely 40/40/20 or no, wait, 40/30/30 no wait 60/20/20. "

Macros are based off your goals (build muscle, loss fat, maintenance, etc). If you don't know what you're trying to accomplish then maybe I could see how this could be confusing.

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"Every 3 hours you must eat. "

Terrible advice, fasting is much healthier and better for muscle building and fat loss.

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"Deli meat has sodium. Don't eat red meat. Go fat free. No, you need fat. This fat is ok, this fat is not ok. Count calories. Don't count calories, count fat grams. Eat salads, don't eat salads. You can't ever drink. Cheat days are bad. You must have a cheat day to confuse your body. No one needs dairy. Dairy helps with weight loss. "

Sodium intake doesn't matter unless you have iodine deficiency. Red meat is still debateable but to be safe try not to overconsume it (even though i think its ok, but i could be wrong...), fat free is usually stupid. If you're eating a food that is fat free chances are it's total dogshit food or is carb laced like yogurt for idiots who weigh 220 and think they are doing the right thing by eating fat free sugar. Salads are great, try to avoid the oils and fried chicken on it though fat ass. Alcohol is fine, just make sure you arent drinking beer or mixed drinks and you'll be alright. Cheat days ARE bad, why would you wipe out a weeks worth of progress on 4 chicken tenders? Dairy does slow fat loss and is hard on your digestive system. It's not a bad idea to avoid it, but i love my cheese.

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" Go on the Zone. Atkins always works. Shakes only. Slim-Fast. Frozen meals are the curse of the devil. "

Stop listening to mass marketing and you'll never hear anyone recommend this stuff except for low carb which has merit.

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"Avoid salt."

Unless you're cutting weight for an MMA fight or have iodine deficiency the salt content is the last thing you should pay attention to.

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" Only egg whites. A few egg yolks are ok. "

Science is mixed on this. I eat ~6 eggs a day so i just eat the whites. If you're eating 2-3 eggs a week I wouldnt worry about it, cholesterol is more hereditary than dietary.

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"Carrots have too much sugar. "

You didn't get to be a fat hosebeast by eating too many carrots I promise.

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"Only eat clean. More fiber, less fiber. Lo-carb, moderate carb, high carb."

No one is recommending low fiber or high carb anywhere. Moderate to high carbs on workout days, low to moderate carbs on off days. Fiber is good for dietary and health reasons. I cant recall anyone ever saying you should store a lot of shit in your intestines so you can give someone at WolfCreek an Upper Decker.

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" Calories: don't count calories. Calories don't count, fat counts. Calories don't count, carbs count. Shoot for 2200 calories if you are training that hard!! No! You still have to keep calories LOW even if you are working out. Stagger calories. Stagger carbs. Cheat day vs. Cheat meal. "

Don't be such a fucking flake. Calories in vs Calories out. This isn't rocket science. Don't starve yourself and don't gorge yourself. Why are you making this so difficult?

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" Do you see the madness here? There are all these opinions and ideas about what works best- and I am not saying that the people that told me this or that were WRONG. For THEM, a certain way works. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF EATING AND "DIETING" AND TRAINING THAT IS SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM FOR US. ONLY FOR US. What works for ME might not work for you. What works for you might sound hideous to me. ""

What I see is you making excuses for being fat. You are blaming other people for your chronic eating problem. You didn't get fat because you ate too many salads at lunch or you ate a few egg yolks. You are fat because you overeat, period.

Your statement that "what works for ME might not work for you" is you saying "I'm not willing to eat the way that works for the other millions of people who have lost weight by not overeating".


Bullshit is bullshit. Call it like you see it. Fat is fat. If you're fat you're fat. No one cares that you eat 6 small meals everyday and eat fruit roll ups dipped in fat free yogurt. You're still fat.

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 12:36 AM. Reason : a]

3/16/2012 12:35:39 AM

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 1:39 AM. Reason : also im pretty sure skwinkle isn't fat]

3/16/2012 1:39:04 AM

That wasn't my writing. I posted a link or a quote or something from a blog because, like ShinAntonio, I found the arguments fitting with the BS in this thread. Which is why I am not participating this year. And yes, I'm doing just fine on the beach body front, thanks.

3/16/2012 9:22:48 AM

this thread has been trolled into uselessness.
it used to be one of the few threads I kept up with regularly.

3/16/2012 9:25:30 AM

Correct information is very important, if you want to call that trolling then yes I'm trolling.

3/16/2012 9:36:58 AM

Quote :

"Lets get it back on track! It's 3 months into everyone's New Year goals - where do you stand?"

My Goals for this year(2012):
Do another 8k, hopefully two
Run the Philly Rock & Roll half marathon September 16th
Trim my body down some more, get down into the 120s
Be in the best shape of my life by the time I hit 30 years old (June 27th)

So I changed my goal of running another 8k to doing 12 events for 2012.
My Events for 2012:
Feb 5: SuperBowl 5k
March 31: Phillies 5k
April 7: Brave the Race 10k
April 22: Revolutionary 5 Miler
April 28: Sandy's Sprint 5k
May 6: Broad Street 10 Miler
May 19: Girls on the Run 5k
June 2: Lung Cancer Yogathon
June 3: See Chicks Run 10k
Sept 16: Phila Rock & Roll Half

I still have to figure out what I'm doing in October and November

I'm going down in lbs after plateauing for awhile, I think this new "myfitnesspal" app has been really helping me, since starting it I'm down a 1 1/2 lbs, also eating a good breakfast with a lot of protein has really helped to keep me fueled for longer in the day and for my workouts.

Also on March 27th I'll have only three months left to get to "the best shape in my life" so far I think I'm really on target. I'm eating healthy, I'm eating more, on the days that I'm not running or having a rest day I'm weight training, I'm a lot trimmer than I've been in years, and I'm very happy.

So that is March.

3/16/2012 9:48:14 AM

any of you ever heard of http://www.fitocracy.com/?

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM. Reason : didnt see a thread anywhere for it]

3/16/2012 1:10:03 PM

yeah i use it

posted several months ago that if people wanted invites, let me know.

the takers never did shit with it.

i like it a lot. i no longer track shit on a crappy excel file.

3/16/2012 1:18:12 PM

i use gym buddy on my phone to track my workouts while im at the gym.

i like fitocracy for the social aspect. fitocracy does have pretty good data capabilities and the ability to export your graphs. so far its been fun to track my training days, get points, and see how i stack up with other people that use it.

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

3/16/2012 1:41:38 PM

i think there's a mobile app somewhere in beta testing... that'd be nice to be able to track live.

3/16/2012 1:48:09 PM

Yay Minks great job so far!!!!

And I'll be at begonias' bikini boot camp class tomorrow morning. She'll kick your ass!

3/16/2012 7:07:59 PM