That's a hell of a story; thanks for typing it up.

I think we're gonna have to start a "Storytime with Restricted thread"...but just continue to drop em in here for now plz


How the fuck did that guy pick up such a large mean dog without getting hurt? That's pretty fucking impressive.

5/9/2014 6:00:45 PM

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"How the fuck did that guy pick up such a large mean dog without getting hurt? That's pretty fucking impressive."

No idea. But I've seen some mind boggling shit in my career. Like a dude hyped up on bath salts, running naked down the street with a police K-9 hanging completely in the air from the guy's flexed bicep (never found the guy, the dog was located around the block).

5/9/2014 6:18:32 PM

What is a "mope"?

But that's a pretty crazy story...

Where is the dog now...

5/9/2014 6:18:39 PM

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"A person of any race or culture that is: presenting themselves as uneducated (either by mannerisms or the clothing they are wearing). Plural = Mopes Mopes usually are up to no good and may have an extensive criminal record and a limited vocabulary."

5/9/2014 6:21:27 PM

The dog was wrangled out of my car and placed in the care and custody of the animal shelter.

5/9/2014 6:22:31 PM

Good story... the discrepancy between the 2 posts made it even funnier.

5/9/2014 6:58:06 PM

Knarf has good stories too, but no one wants to hear

5/9/2014 7:54:59 PM

I want to hear them, Knarf!

5/9/2014 8:09:18 PM

Lol, wait does your patrol car have that front/back metal divider?

5/9/2014 8:13:06 PM

no, this is how he drove the dog to the shelter:

5/9/2014 8:26:09 PM

LOL

5/10/2014 1:38:44 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/11/us/texas-fatal-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c2

5/12/2014 9:01:02 PM

Good story, Restricted!

5/12/2014 9:07:21 PM

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"I'm going to smoke you motherfucker."

It's nice that you give notice to a dog before you spray them

Do humans get that same courtesy?

5/12/2014 9:36:08 PM

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"Do humans get that same courtesy? "

Some have, some haven't. My current agency would write you up for cursing if they got wind of you saying something to that effect.

5/13/2014 6:48:25 AM

what percentage of officers that you know have had to shoot someone?

5/13/2014 7:55:11 AM

HOW HAVE I NEVER HEARD THIS STORY!?

5/13/2014 8:15:49 AM

Hah you never said if you took the dog to the pound or if you had to wait for animal control to show up. Without the divider would have been infinitely better a la Ricky Bobby style.

5/13/2014 9:11:17 AM

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"what percentage of officers that you know have had to shoot someone?"

I would put the figure at less than 1%.

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"HOW HAVE I NEVER HEARD THIS STORY!?"

Because you never answer my calls to go fishing.

5/13/2014 1:21:49 PM

Well, it looks like only about 90 more days and I be retired as a NC LEO.

5/14/2014 6:22:26 PM

I don't care for The Police. There I said it.








































"Roxanne" is one of the worst songs of all time.

5/14/2014 6:46:27 PM

That's Charlie Peru's favorite song.

5/14/2014 7:14:51 PM

I saw a homeless person the other day that looked EXACTLY like him on the streets of SF. I thought about going up to him, but instead I walked briskly in the other direction

5/14/2014 8:07:26 PM

Why retired?

5/14/2014 10:47:57 PM

Well unlike Restricted, I still have 22+ years, so I guess I need to carry the torch. My dum ass will stay in LE for my career. I tried the Fed side, it sucked, Im a cop till I die or retire.

5/15/2014 5:43:17 AM

I wish I still could actually retire; I'm just bailing out of this State.

5/15/2014 6:47:36 AM

The problem with cops is they only give bad news.

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""I'm writing you a ticket for xyz""

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""I'm going to smoke you motherfucker.""

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""So and so died, etc etc etc""

Anytime I have to interact with a cop, I know something bad is gonna come out of their mouth. Cops are mean assholes etc.

5/15/2014 7:59:49 AM

Is it illegal to drive with your left foot out the window.

5/15/2014 8:21:32 AM

Is it legal to turn your lights on just to go through a red light then turn them back off once your through? Definitely saw a cop do this in Charlotte last weekend and he didn't appear to be in any hurry.

5/15/2014 8:43:17 AM

^^^ Maybe if you weren't street racing all of the time you wouldn't have that issue.

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"I wish I still could actually retire; I'm just bailing out of this State."

Ok that makes more sense...I got the feeling you aren't that old!

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"Is it legal to turn your lights on just to go through a red light then turn them back off once your through?"

Imma answer that for him. No.

5/15/2014 9:32:04 AM

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"Is it illegal to drive with your left foot out the window."

No

5/15/2014 12:10:23 PM

I once got pulled for having no side view mirrors (jeep wrangler with doors off). that's some bullshit!

is having at least a driver side mirror really the law?

my mom got scared And said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air adding aftermarket mirrors that attach to the windshield frame.

[Edited on May 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2014 12:14:06 PM

It is a lot easier to see to the right than the left with no mirrors.

I drove my jeep like that once and quickly realized that a mirror was necessary. Once I got the passenger one it sucked because that one you could ONLY see with the doors off, with the soft door in it was not visible.

5/15/2014 4:24:50 PM

After 1966 all vehicles have to be equipped with a driver side mirror.

5/15/2014 5:19:04 PM

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"Cops are mean assholes etc."

I am not. I honestly dont care about messing with otherwise decent people over petty shit. I am much more in to the serious stuff that I think we all would agree is bad.

5/16/2014 5:46:03 AM

Apparently Saturday night (~11 PM) my buddy was driving down a cut threw road that contains 3 stop signs. He lives in NoDA which is a gentrified neighborhood surrounded by the ghetto. After stopping at the first stop sign and proceeding through the intersection he noticed a police officer on the perpendicular road who proceeding to turn right to now be behind my friend.

Not thinking twice about it, my buddy proceeded to stop at the next two stop signs finally taking a left onto the main road. After the third stop sign while he was pulling onto the main road, the cop turned on his lights and pulled my friend over.

According to my friend the cop walked up to his cracked window and without stating the reason for the traffic stop requested his license and registration. My friend says he politely stated that he didn't consent to handing over his license and registration without knowing why he was being stopped. They ended up getting into an argument with the cop stating that he would be arrested if he didn't present the requested information; at no time informing my friend the nature of the traffic stop. Finally the cops loses patience and with back-up arriving opens my friends door and proceeds with the arrest.

At no time during the arrest, my friend claims, were his miranda rights read. He was informed he was being arrested for refusal to cooperate with a police officer and overheard the arresting officer tell one of the cops that showed up, as back-up, that he witnessed my friend run a stop sign. The cops than proceeded to search his vehicle which I thought was illegal to do for a routine traffic stop without a warrant unless the police felt they were in clear and present danger (which would have been a No since my buddy was in handcuffs)

I've been friend with the guy since I was 13 and if he ran the stop sign he would own up, taking responsibility. My question does a police officer have to inform a person of the reason for a traffic stop before they can demand their information? My friend swears you do not but I think he could be wrong.

Honestly I think the officer was fishing (potential DUI, drugs catch, etc) and when my friend started making the cops life difficult, the officer fabricated the stop sign violation to give themselves a reason for the stop.



[Edited on May 19, 2014 at 1:12 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2014 1:10:30 PM

if you get arrested they can search your car without your consent, and your friend was required to identify himself when asked.

5/19/2014 1:15:19 PM

^^Your friend sounds like a dick. I mean it's cool to know/exercise your rights etc, but if you're gonna be all dickish about it then know that shit 100%.

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/your-rights-and-police

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"If you are stopped in your car, DO... DO show your license, registration, and proof of insurance when asked (you have to if you’re stopped while driving)."

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"hen my friend started making the cops life difficult, the officer fabricated the stop sign violation to give themselves a reason for the stop."

Sounds like he dicked himself into a ticket and an arrest.

I know the balance of power when I get pulled over and I respect it. I ain't trying to play fuck fuck games with those dudes.

[Edited on May 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM. Reason : What was the outcome...they let him go after a while or was he taken in? I assume a ticket...]

5/19/2014 1:16:42 PM

why is your friend such a d-bag? if he didn't do anything wrong just hand over the goddamn ID and registration. you guys must be a real fun bunch to hang out with.

5/19/2014 1:17:09 PM

Honestly you'd probably like my buddy Jeepin. He's a frequent at PMTBR too.

Not sure what his deal was. Think he's going through a fuck the system kind of phase. I told him he should have just handed over his ID and registration.

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"Sounds like he dicked himself into a ticket and an arrest."

My thoughts....

Yeah he was taken in, had to post bond and got the running a stop sign ticket. He's going to subpoena the camera of the officer doing the stop to fight the stop sign ticket although from what it sounds he was wrong for not handing his ID over.

[Edited on May 19, 2014 at 2:56 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2014 2:48:11 PM

I have always found just being honest and respectful to cops gets you much further than anything else. I have been pulled twice for 90+ in a 55 and both times received warning tickets. I simply owned up to it and apologized and told them why I was going so fast and once they ran my license and realized I wasnt a criminal let me on my way and told me to slow the fuck down.

5/19/2014 3:02:49 PM

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"According to my friend the cop walked up to his cracked window and without stating the reason for the traffic stop requested his license and registration. My friend says he politely stated that he didn't consent to handing over his license and registration without knowing why he was being stopped."

§ 20-29. Surrender of license.

Any person operating or in charge of a motor vehicle, when requested by an officer in uniform...who shall refuse, on demand of such officer or such other person, to produce his license and exhibit same to such officer or such other person for the purpose of examination, or who shall refuse to surrender his license on demand of the Division, or fail to produce same when requested by a court of this State, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor

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"At no time during the arrest, my friend claims, were his miranda rights read."

There is NO requirement to be read them when you are arrested, only when custody and interrogation are present.

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"The cops than proceeded to search his vehicle which I thought was illegal to do for a routine traffic stop without a warrant unless the police felt they were in clear and present danger (which would have been a No since my buddy was in handcuffs)"

Wrong. See Carroll v. United States.

I don't mind criticisms of law enforcement and police officers, but there is a ton of misinformation that gets passed on by internet lawyers and hippies.

5/19/2014 6:54:00 PM

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"Honestly I think the officer was fishing (potential DUI, drugs catch, etc) "

That's called police work.

5/19/2014 6:56:28 PM

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"I know the balance of power when I get pulled over and I respect it. I ain't trying to play fuck fuck games with those dudes. "

Absolutely. Especially when you've got nothing to hide or worry about. Just get the traffic stop over with and get on with your day. Don't make a simple situation difficult for no fucking reason.

5/19/2014 7:12:34 PM

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"§ 20-29. Surrender of license."

Yeah I didn't think he was right in abstaining his liscence.

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"Wrong. See Carroll v. United States. "

There was some ~2007-2008 NC supreme court ruling where if one gets pulled over for a traffic violation (aka speeding) a NC police officer can't use that as
probably cause to search for drugs, illegal weapons, etc. I think once my friend was arrested this protection was gone as it was
no longer a "traffic stop" but a failure to "surrender of license".

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"That's called police work."

To arbitrarily pull people over? This happened to me twice in Wilmington. Both times it was apparent he was fishing for a DUI.
One of the incidents i was in my gym clothes (about to go to bed), doing a favor for my buddy taking him and friends downtown. The officer said he pulled me
for a tag light being out. Kept asking if I had been drinking, where I was going that evening, and how they don't tolerate drinking
and driving in "their town". The car i was driving was a rental and I told him that I was just dropping them off then going home to bed as it was a
work night. I got home and discovered my tag light wasn't even out btw....

[Edited on May 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM. Reason : l]

5/19/2014 7:23:44 PM

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"There was some ~2007-2008 NC supreme court ruling where if one gets pulled over for a traffic violation (aka speeding) a NC police officer can't use that as probably cause to search for drugs, illegal weapons, etc. I think once my friend was arrested this protection was gone as it was no longer a "traffic stop" but a failure to "surrender of license"."

First and foremost, Supreme Court decisions tend to trump State laws. You can pull someone over for speeding and develop probable cause outside the scope of the original stop and search the car. Now how long you can extend to find the PC to search a car, etc would take several hours to go over.

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"To arbitrarily pull people over? "

See Whren v. U.S.

As long as I have a lawful excuse to pull you over, I can sniff for other things as long as I can articulate reasonable suspicion that another crime is afoot.

In the past, I've seen wanted people driving, told them I stopped them for a tag light...confirmed the warrant and arrested them. I did it a lot with drunks too. It relaxes them, they think are they are just getting pulled for something stupid and that I have no idea they are drunk. I get them to talk to me (developing reasonable suspicion) and then have them step out. If I walk up there like billy badass and accuse them of drinking, they will just be dicks.



[Edited on May 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ...]

5/19/2014 7:46:32 PM

Also he wasn't only pulled over, he was arrested. So that court case isn't even relevent

5/19/2014 7:51:48 PM

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"There was some ~2007-2008 NC supreme court ruling where if one gets pulled over for a traffic violation (aka speeding) a NC police officer can't use that as probably cause to search for drugs, illegal weapons, etc. I think once my friend was arrested this protection was gone as it was no longer a "traffic stop" but a failure to "surrender of license"."

Your friend elevated the " charges" and exposed himself. Don't be stupid.

5/19/2014 7:54:20 PM

The Carroll Doctrine would still apply. Up until a few years ago, if you were arrested on a traffic stop it was basically a free search for law enforcement. That was made moot by Arizona v. Gant (which was a bad case based on stupid police work) unless you can articulate that the evidence of the crime is located in the car. I could see if the driver acknowledged that he had a license on him or in the car but was refusing to hand it over, the officer would be justified in searching the car for that license or any documents that could identify the driver. However, the officer may have developed some sort of probable cause too.

5/19/2014 7:55:17 PM

I was responding to the NC court case he was referencing here, it doesn't apply

5/19/2014 7:59:53 PM