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11/27/2013 12:57:10 AM

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"Dave is gonna say whatever bullshit he has to pull out of his ass, because he knows he is on the hot seat after only one pathetic year."

I'm pretty sure this isn't true AT ALL. just curious, how many times has a first-year head coach been fired based solely on team performance?

if he repeats this next year, I'm sure he will be on the hot seat. but i don't see any way he won't improve, at least marginally.

11/27/2013 10:25:25 AM

At a coach's caravan before the season (Doeren was not there), Debbie Yow blatantly said it was a rebuilding year. I think the Athletic Dept. and coaching staff realized it was going to be a tough season. He is absolutely not on the hot seat yet.

11/27/2013 10:40:35 AM

Going winless in conference, whether in year 1 or 25, should automatically put you on the hot seat.

And our performance needs to improve DRASTICALLY next year. We need to win at least 8 games for him to show that this might be a high level conference coach.

11/27/2013 10:44:08 AM

ok

11/27/2013 10:45:14 AM

^^ Would you pay his buyout ?

11/27/2013 10:50:14 AM

DD has shown that he is not a good in game coach. His recruiting has been mediocre, but that could improve. Obviously, not enough time has passed to judge him on player development.

It is obvious that he needs a superstar QB to succeed, and he is putting all of his eggs in the Brissett basket. So we are basically building to a conference championship run by Brissett's senior year. Which means that we need to see drastic improvement by next year.

[Edited on November 27, 2013 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ^Yep. Checks in the mail]

11/27/2013 10:58:41 AM

i don't think he's used to having literally nothing to work with, talent-wise, and that's what's really fucking him up. you can tell from all his trick plays he's used to having athletes with the capability of occasionally getting it done

11/27/2013 11:10:40 AM

It's hard to be a good in game coach when your players can't execute

[Edited on November 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM. Reason : ]

11/27/2013 11:14:53 AM

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"It's hard to be a good in game coach when your players can't execute"

a good in game coach won't ask a team with players that can't execute to go for it on 4th down at their own 30 yard line. quite frankly, that's a /thread statement in terms of whether or not doeren is a good coach. add to that the fact that he did it two weeks in a row and it's approaching the definition of insanity.

i was high on the hire, and still hope he can show something in the next year or two, but there's not much to back up that hope looking at this nearly-over season.

[Edited on November 27, 2013 at 11:43 AM. Reason : ]

11/27/2013 11:42:14 AM

the thing is, as we all know, many of the couch coaches who have relentlessly criticized those decisions would be praising them if they worked.

11/27/2013 11:53:00 AM

many may, but i'm certainly not one of those.
i'd be happy that it worked, but i'd still call it a stupid decision that we got lucky on. it's not hard to see that we have some good players but we aren't Alabama either.

11/27/2013 11:54:58 AM

^^So you are saying if our results were not so bad, we wouldn't be as critical. Provocative.

There was a graphic during one of our games late in the season that showed how poorly we have played in 4th quarters. It was basically an indictment on our coaching and their lack of in game adjustments. However, i would also argue that pre-game coaching and preparation has been pretty bad as well.

11/27/2013 12:23:59 PM

The fake punt against UNC on our side of the 50 was worse than any call I've seen a NCSU football coach make. It turned the game completely in their favor and they won arguably because of it.

11/27/2013 12:27:15 PM

^^A lot of that also had to do with the fact that our D was completely gassed by the 4th qtr. because our offense was anemic the whole game.

I still like the Doeren hire and am excited for the future, but no one can make an argument that the fake punt or 4th down call deep in our own territory was even reasonable.

[Edited on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2013 12:27:21 PM

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"but no one can make an argument that the fake punt or 4th down call deep in our own territory was even reasonable. "

Oh, you haven't met the brilliant Adam Gold, who spent half an hour of radio time explaining that making a 20 yd field goal (not missing) and receiving 3 pts is far worse than faking a punt in your own redzone. It was a masterfully executed argument that hinged on listeners knowing nothing about football or sports in general.

11/27/2013 1:47:48 PM

nowhere to go but up!

11/30/2013 3:34:29 PM

^hahahahahahaha has never applied to NC State. Ever.

11/30/2013 3:45:10 PM

-1 for not bringing Jordan Lynch with him

11/30/2013 3:47:56 PM

well, season 1 was a total failure

let's hope this guy can get his shit together cause so far he is loose butthole

11/30/2013 3:48:29 PM

Maybe a MAC team will buy out his contract.

11/30/2013 3:48:47 PM

^^^^^ We still won 3 games this year. We can win less next year.

Silver lining:
* There are no longer any bragging rights for beating State.
* Cheaper tickets next year?
* Can't start Mitchell next year.

[Edited on November 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM. Reason : -]

11/30/2013 3:51:33 PM

I mean we shouldn't have beat Richmond. That inflated our record. If that's even possible.

11/30/2013 3:52:50 PM

Someone make a flow chart:

NCSU FOOTBALL:

Do you have one of the top 15 NFL QBs in the world on your college roster?

Yes -> 4th place finish.

No -> Last place finish

11/30/2013 5:39:21 PM

Change this to Dave Doeren suicide watch. Im sure he does not like seeing his career flushed down the toilet either.

11/30/2013 8:45:44 PM

I honestly think we got worse every single game this season, culminating in that abysmal effort today

11/30/2013 8:56:16 PM

I see no upside for keeping him past today. Sure we will lose some recruits but at least we won't lose games by going for fourth down inside our 30 and demoralizing the whole team with pop warner decisions. Dude's a clown, and is costing the university and our reputation too much money. Canada can go overdose on maple syrup while we're on the subject. He's worse than Dana Bible, and I can't believe I would ever say that.

[Edited on November 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2013 9:59:27 PM

We all knew we needed to yet rid of TOB years ago bit you fuckers asked for this.


Cant put it all on Doeren but my god the dude looks clueless on in game decisions and preparation.


That being said he did the right thing by installing the system and letting our guys learn it. Now the hard part will be getting anyone to buy in after we failed so miserably week after week with it.

Hes got one more year or its curtains for DD.

Guy has to be shitting bricks. Not sure why anyone in his position would have taken this desperation job when he had such a good returning team at NIU.

We are a solid 3 years away from being competitve agaim. TOB couldnt have left us in worse shape if he tried.

11/30/2013 10:37:10 PM

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" TOB couldnt have left us in worse shape if he tried."

Yeah, no receivers, no d line, no kicker, no tight ends, no running backs. Bare.

11/30/2013 10:42:23 PM

if we gave Tom Reed three seasons, we'll give Doeren at least three seasons

11/30/2013 10:48:07 PM

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"We all knew we needed to yet rid of TOB years ago"

So you wanted to fire him after going 9-4 or 8-5?

Sounds non-delusional to me.

11/30/2013 10:57:44 PM

Would you rather prepare the lifeboats when the ship starts sinking or when its fully submerged?

11/30/2013 11:57:31 PM

i'm sure its been said... but I'm mostly annoyed with the play calling. How do you run 4th & inches out of the shotgun when your QB has been falling forward for 3 yards ALL DAY? How do you run a bootleg on 4th and short? :mind blown:

Our offense in a nutshell all season:

Bubble screen
QB sneak
RB off tackle
fake punt

repeat.

11/30/2013 11:59:50 PM

^^Like when you said the Panthers should fire Rivera a year ago...

12/1/2013 12:01:07 AM

I say we sign a fifteen year contract with DD. Just avoid the delusion of "hiring up" to a better coach. Save us all time and money.

12/1/2013 12:03:13 AM

The panthers d coordinator is doing all of the leg work. Riveria is just riding his coat tails.

12/1/2013 12:06:37 AM

12/1/2013 12:16:44 AM

Looks like we hit our 1987/1996/2006 low point. About every 10 years we suck ass. Looks like we're about 3 years ahead of schedule, at least.


Anyway, obviously you gotta give the man time to get his system in place, but fuck me if this season wasn't hard to watch.



I'd also be interested in doing one with recruiting rankings somehow imposed on that as well, but I'm not sure how the units could overlay with wins/losses...or where to get that information.....mehhh.....

[Edited on December 1, 2013 at 3:20 AM. Reason : ]

12/1/2013 3:03:05 AM

Very elaborate dumb graph

12/1/2013 4:02:16 AM

Face, if we're gonna take 3 years to be competitive again, then why fire Doeren after year 2? What are your expectations of him? Any W-L target? Recruiting rankings? 4-4 in ACC?

[Edited on December 1, 2013 at 7:05 AM. Reason : ]

12/1/2013 7:04:43 AM

I can't believe some of you idiotic fuckers are saying he should be gone after 1 year


goddamn no-foresight not looking at the forest for the trees motherfuckers

12/1/2013 7:21:19 AM

No, pretty sure regardless of forest or trees, Doeren fucking sucks

12/1/2013 7:38:52 AM

Keyboard coaches

12/1/2013 7:45:10 AM

I'll give him another free pass year next year. (He has to get 5 or 6 wins at least though. The 3rd year he needs to be damn competitive or hes out. I'm thinking 7 wins with positive vibes going into the 4th year or he's out.

12/1/2013 1:30:28 PM

The last two starting QBs are starting in the pros....can we make it three?

12/1/2013 1:43:31 PM

With QBs that no one else wants? Don't think so unless there is another program out there as dumb as us

12/1/2013 2:16:48 PM

^^pretty low expectations. We had a coach who could get us 7-8 wins a year, but decided to "upgrade", so our expectations should be higher for this coach.

We are building for a championship run by Brissett's senior year, in 2 years. The year after that will be another terrible rebuilding year like this one, because we don't have a 5 star QB in the pipeline to replace Brissett. And Doreren has shown that he can't win with anything less than a heisman level QB.

If we are competing for a championship in 2 years, we have to win at least 8 games next year.

12/1/2013 2:19:16 PM

Why do people think 3 years is enough time to turn a program like NCSU. Man needs 5 years. Shit it will take that at least to get a decent O-line

[Edited on December 1, 2013 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2013 2:59:37 PM

We can do well with a freshman or sophomore qb that we recruit next year. we could always get another transfer as well.

I say 3 years to be decent and 5 yeas to compete for championships. if you are not decent by 3 years you are not going to suddenly compete for championships in year 5. we should never excepect to win a championship or play for one in this division but if we are at least a clemson or fsu win away from winning the division i'd say thats competitive. Basically we need to be winnning 6-7 games by year 3 and 8-10 games by year 5.

A six win season and bowl bid only requires like 2 real wins these days.

12/1/2013 3:11:19 PM

I don't think even 5 years will be long enough for Doeren

12/1/2013 3:12:14 PM