ya'll figure it out yet?

1/22/2016 11:55:15 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/race-may-play-part-in-overdose-epidemic

Quote :

" The rate of white Americans dying annually from drug overdoses has roughly doubled from 2002 to 2014, while the rate of black Americans and Hispanics who die from drug overdoses has remained almost unchanged over that same time frame. ... "What's happening is we're overexposing whites to prescription opioids," he said. "Doctors prescribe narcotics more cautiously to black patients. It appeared the doctor may be more worried about addiction or diversion of the pills onto the black market if the patient was black and if the patient is white, they're overprescribing." While it's impossible to know doctors' reasons for prescribing certain medications — and individual doctors of course vary significantly in their background and world view — studies have shown that some doctors are less likely to prescribe opioid painkillers to black patients, while other research has suggested that black patients may be less likely to report serious pain."

1/26/2016 11:58:00 AM

So it evens out right? Doctors are racist but it ends up killing more white people so we will call it a wash? haha

1/26/2016 12:05:37 PM

Black Pain Matters #BPM!

1/26/2016 12:47:29 PM

Idk who Stacey Dash is, but I like how she has a fairly reasonable quote... but rather than discuss it we just get character attacks from the liberals. Seems to be a common theme... rather than address what was said they are too busy trying to portray the source as an idiot/racist/bigot.

Also painkillers are racist!!!!

1/26/2016 10:09:07 PM

a white British man named Sam Smith won best new artist at the BET awards in 2015.

Stacey Dash is trying to stir a shit pot.

1/26/2016 10:22:19 PM

I realize that everybody likes to joke around and stuff, but that bit about the painkiller prescriptions is important. Doctors aren't immune to prejudice and whatnot, and in many cases, their jobs actually require them to profile their patients to some extent.

I'm sure reflective practitioners work hard to provide quality care to everyone. But I have no doubt that African Americans, in particular, receive different treatment than other people do. And a lot of folks still pretend that race generally doesn't exist, so I don't know how they'd even begin to address possible bias in their work.

Of course, doctors in general are some of the most arrogant, self-important, presumptuous people on the planet. So they're kind of a pain for everyone.

(Nobody responded to the Stacey Dash stuff because her remarks didn't provide much to discuss.)

1/26/2016 10:50:08 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/flint-michigan-water-crisis-race-poverty/index.html

Quote :

" This is a racial killing. Flint MI is 60% black. When u knowingly poison a black city, u r committing a version of genocide Was the city neglected because it is mostly black and about 40% poor? Several advocates say yes. They charge that Flint residents are victims of "environmental racism" -- that is, race and poverty factored into how Flint wasn't adequa"

I can't believe the MEAN RACIST governor of Michigan is colluding with other governmental conspirators to allow the Flint water crisis as a secret way of hurting black people that they HATE!

#BLM #Outrage #NoLead

To be fair, I think the poverty within Flint is an enabling factor but to claim it to be an issue of racism and as intentional negligence based on the skin color of the towns residents is absurd.

Good Going CNN for posting another race-baiting headline instead of objectively analyzing the issue!

1/27/2016 10:53:29 AM

Quote :

"hurting black people that they HATE!"

Nobody's saying they HATE black people. What is wrong with you?

1/27/2016 11:14:06 AM

Just reading between with the lines with a healthy sprinkle of sarcasm!

1/27/2016 11:33:51 AM

^^ why even respond?

1/27/2016 11:34:22 AM

its all pointless, white privilege is a made up thing so some people can get stuff from other people

1/28/2016 12:27:24 PM

Quote :

"Earlier this week, Toyota agreed to pay back $21.9 million to thousands of African-American and Asian borrowers when it was determined that dealers routinely charged customers of color higher interest rates than white customers with the same credit score and income level. To be clear, this wasn't an aberration of some sort, but appears to be an industry standard. Ally Financial, which was the main financing arm for General Motors, was forced to pay $80 million back to customers of color when it was determined they were charged higher interest rates on their car loans than white customers with the same income and credit scores. They also had to pay $18 million in fees over it. Not to be outdone, Honda was forced to pay $24 million when it was determined they charged black and Latino customers higher interest rates than white customers with the same level of credit worthiness. Fifth Third Bank also got in on the game and was forced to pay back $18 million for illegal credit card and auto loan practices. It also charged African-American and Latino customers who had the same level of credit worthiness as white customers higher interests rates"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-toyota-caught-racist-interest-rate-practices-article-1.2520118?cid=bitly

[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 2:03 PM. Reason : a]

2/4/2016 2:02:54 PM

I don't understand why this is wrong/racist.

I highly doubt this was done because someone doesn't like people of color and wants to charge them more. I would be interested if from an insurance stand-point if purely by the numbers certain ethnic groups represent a certain additional risk for defaulting or being late on debt payments. Although I guess this wouldn't fly in today's PC world.

Already if i'm under-25 applying for car insurance I get charged a higher rate based on the risk associated with my age. ZOME AGEISM!

2/4/2016 2:08:31 PM

How can you say this isnt wrong? Its OK for different races to be charged higher interest when they have the same financial credentials as whites?

I think income and credit score is more than enough information to determine a borrowers ability to pay back debt. I mean, thats the reason why credit scores and credit reports came into existence. And why does insurance risk come into play at the dealer? The dealer needs to know if you have current insurance and thats it.

Insurance is far riskier than a car/house loan because there is no collateral so, of course, demographics come into play. Unsecured loans also come with higher interest rates for this same reason.

[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM. Reason : a]

2/4/2016 2:15:41 PM

nah it's pretty much the definition of racism if everything except race was held the same

2/4/2016 2:16:27 PM

the idiot racist doesn't find a clearly racist policy racist

shocking

2/4/2016 2:38:36 PM

Quote :

" Its OK for different races to be charged higher interest when they have the same financial credentials as whites? I think income and credit score is more than enough information to determine a borrowers ability to pay back debt"

That seems fair to me.

I'm just saying devils advocate surely some analyst made the decision to charge a higher interest rate to certain minorities based on data correlating certain groups to a greater debt risk. Though i'm sure the analysis was not based on samples of people with analogous income/wealth levels. Since income disparities between the median individual has more to play into the risk factor then ones skin color.

Purely a case of analytics not racism

Let just keep thinking there is just a big conspiracy of important people that just enjoy picking on and discriminating against people of color..........

2/4/2016 2:40:46 PM

oh shit...it's page 1 all over again!



[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ^also, i'm sure your argument would hold up in court. oh wait...it didnt (multiple times)]

2/4/2016 2:54:54 PM

I'M NOT RACIST GUYS, I'M JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE

2/4/2016 3:04:35 PM

It is literally analytics. Racism is analytics. Analytics aren't necessarily accurate or based on sound reasoning. HUR is a magician and his power is semantics. That being said he is 100% correct. Let's move on.

2/4/2016 3:05:23 PM

Quote :

"It is literally analytics assumptions. Racism is analytics assumptions. Analytics Assumptions aren't necessarily accurate or based on sound reasoning."

True analysis would be based on data - in this case the data points would be income and credit score. So no, this isnt analytics that somehow determined black/asian borrowers must have a higher interest rate. Because analysis of the data points would have come to the same result if the borrower was white or black or asian.

Not to mention the ECOA, so banks could not have used race in their analytics anyways:

Quote :

"Two federal laws, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) and the Fair Housing Act (FHA), offer protections against discrimination. The ECOA forbids credit discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, age, or whether you receive income from a public assistance program. Creditors may ask you for most of this information in certain situations, but they may not use it as a reason to deny you credit or to set the terms of your credit. They are never allowed to ask your religion. Everyone who participates in the decision to grant credit or in setting the terms of that credit, including real estate brokers who arrange financing, must comply with the ECOA."

[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 3:16 PM. Reason : a]

2/4/2016 3:12:01 PM

So what is the rational or explanation? I guess Honda the Japanese car maker is just a bunch of racists that love white people and discriminate against other Asians and detest blacks!

2/4/2016 3:22:11 PM

Really? Dealers man. Dealers.

2/4/2016 3:27:53 PM

^^
A federal investigation has been opened against the american honda finance corporation.
Honda's financial services branch will pay out $24 million after accusations of racial discrimination.

Since you can't read.

2/4/2016 3:37:11 PM

Quote :

"True analysis would be based on data - in this case the data points would be income and credit score"

The issue here is 'data'. The difference between science and magic is that scientist believes there is data and a magician knows that that there is only language (see what I did there?). This is exactly how propaganda works and it is what you just did in your post. The world literally is what you say it is. This is how you convince people to rally against untermensch or muslims or whatever the fuck you want.

[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 4:21 PM. Reason : general semantics and chill]

2/4/2016 4:12:34 PM

lies, damned lies, and statistics

garbage in, garbage out

2/4/2016 4:29:55 PM

I'm sure the executives at Honda financial were sitting around the board room brainstorming ideas to raise profit$. This is when the unsung hero raised his hand and spoke up!

Executive Douche A: "Well we don't like minorities! Let's charge them more to take out a vehicle loan!"

Executive Douche B: "Seconded!"

CFO: "I recommend at least a 0.5% increase in interest rates. Small enough to go unnoticed but large enough to positively affect the bottom line!"

CEO: "Great idea, let us at least table this idea until after we run it by Donald Trump."

2/4/2016 5:31:20 PM

racism does exist and when things like the toyota dealer happens, or similar racist dealings at banks happen, they can get sued for being racist.

this does not mean that white people in general have better or easier lives because they are white and anyone who assumes this is being racist themselves

2/4/2016 6:11:56 PM

u

[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 6:26 PM. Reason : #HUR]



[Edited on February 4, 2016 at 6:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2016 6:22:47 PM

^^"racism does exist... but that doesn't mean the majority (whites) are privileged just because they aren't subjected to it! And if you think they are, YOU'RE THE RACIST!!"

lol, sound logic. You're funny.

2/4/2016 6:29:16 PM

^^ I see some overly-privileged racists in that picture!

2/4/2016 7:21:49 PM

racism exists in every direction and every race is subjected to it, every race has individuals who are prejudiced against others

white privileged is a racist idea in itself

if anything, any widespread systemic policies or practices that are currently racist are prejudiced against white people. that is not a privilege

2/7/2016 11:52:42 AM

nah

2/7/2016 12:17:09 PM

^^ lol

2/7/2016 12:40:29 PM

The old "whites are the true victims of racism!".

2/7/2016 12:46:36 PM

not what I said

I said every race can be subjected to racism

2/7/2016 12:50:10 PM

Some sociological and psychological circles would say racism = power + prejudice. So another way of saying that is member of a group very well may have prejudice beliefs about another group, however without the power (that perhaps comes with being in a majority, holding high power offices, etc..) they are largely incapable of discrimination or racism.


So that uncle I have who is always spouting off at the mouth from his rocking chair about evil white people who stank (I don't really have an uncle like this, btw), really has no way to spread his prejudiced influence much further than his living room.
The powers that are in charge of bank loans for Toyota very well might be able to use their influence and prejudice to fuck with the interest rates of black people.

2/7/2016 1:32:35 PM

power is just the capacity to force your beliefs on others

i grew up surrounded by what i thought were racist people in eastern nc and they had no power over others. i considered them racist because they would make snap judgments about someone bc of that person's skin color, use derogatory racist terms to describe someone, make jokes based on skin color or assume they were better than someone else based on skin color.

racism can hurt people whether or not the person being racist has authority or power

2/8/2016 11:33:11 AM

Quote :

"White heroin addicts get overdose treatment, rehabilitation and reincorporation, a system that will be there for them again and again and again. Black drug users got jail cells and “Just Say No.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/opinion/when-addiction-has-a-white-face.html

Interesting article outlining the differences in police tactics and government response between the crack epidemic in the 1980s among predominantly black communities and the current heroin epidemic in white communities.

2/9/2016 11:43:47 AM

African Americans are actually admitted at a higher rate to publicly funded substance abuse treatment programs, despite what an emotional opinion piece from a liberal professor will tell you.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/treatment-statistics

I guess that increased tax burden is a white privilege too huh.

2/9/2016 3:16:38 PM

It is. Black people don't have the privilege to pay taxes because they are all in prison for crimes they didn't commit.

2/9/2016 3:29:38 PM

^^ actually, whites are <60% of the arrests for drugs and alcohol (despite usage rates the same or higher as blacks), so the fact they are 60% of treatment admissions means they're overrepresented in that particular area... yet another white privilege.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2016 4:22:10 PM

Yeah but we didn't start the fire. I think that's the privledge

2/9/2016 4:26:04 PM

Take up the White Man's burden And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:—

2/9/2016 4:33:07 PM

Quote :

"^^ actually, whites are <60% of the arrests for drugs and alcohol (despite usage rates the same or higher as blacks), so the fact they are 60% of treatment admissions means they're overrepresented in that particular area... yet another white privilege."

Arrest rates for drugs isn't really an accurate indicator of usage rate.

You know, men and women smoke pot at roughly the same rate... yet men make up 93% of pot arrests to 7% female... OMG when will the war on men stop! Why does our society hate men so much! Female Privilege... you wouldn't understand... you weren't victimized. #Liberalism

The fact is having 13% of the population making up 20% of the rehabilitation population is a privilege. So that snippet meant to generate outrage and clicks is simply not true. The truth is secondary when it comes to perpetuating a narrative of victimhood.

2/10/2016 11:51:51 AM

Quote :

" Arrest rates for drugs isn't really an accurate indicator of usage rate. "

that's what he said

also, you have tried to use arrest rates as equivalents to usage rates in the past when you've said that black people are arrested more for drugs or traffic violations because they use more drugs and commit more traffic violations

2/10/2016 12:05:28 PM

Quote :

"Arrest rates for drugs isn't really an accurate indicator of usage rate. You know, men and women smoke pot at roughly the same rate... yet men make up 93% of pot arrests to 7% female... OMG when will the war on men stop! Why does our society hate men so much! Female Privilege... you wouldn't understand... you weren't victimized. #Liberalism The fact is having 13% of the population making up 20% of the rehabilitation population is a privilege. So that snippet meant to generate outrage and clicks is simply not true. The truth is secondary when it comes to perpetuating a narrative of victimhood. "

I will dumb this down for you, since you don't seem to understand... we already know that blacks are over-criminalized by the justice system, note that this doesn't mean whites never get detained/arrested, they just get arrested less than they should be.

But of the blacks/whites that DO get arrested, whites are MORE LIKELY to get referred to treatment programs than blacks, which the links you posted demonstrate.

Does this make sense? You can't arbitrarily pick points of reference for data that fits your incorrect perception of reality.

2/10/2016 12:20:12 PM

Quote :

"You can't arbitrarily pick points of reference for data that fits your incorrect perception of reality."

Sure he can! #reversefalsenarrative

2/10/2016 12:21:53 PM

elbow jerk reaction

2/10/2016 1:19:53 PM