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"You say kill but I dont have the freedom like I did in high school"

1/26/2011 11:55:09 AM

what does that even mean?

1/26/2011 11:58:10 AM

Hey Ribs... Fuck you

1/26/2011 11:58:17 AM

He's talking about freedom on the court, you dolts.

Someone (presumably from his high school, barely intelligibly) wrote: "Start killin then like how u use to my Nigga u thinking bout it too much jus relax n kill"

Then he said "You say kill but I dont have the freedom like I did in high school"

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM. Reason : -]

1/26/2011 12:00:20 PM

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"Shut the fuck up Harrow. Do you realize the shit storm you just started?"

kirbs71 cussing and threatening players on a message board like a big man.

1/26/2011 12:00:58 PM

Kirbs71 cautioning players.

1/26/2011 12:02:54 PM

stop trollings kirby. people get natually frustrated with losing. I don't think there is a player this year that people can jump on, like they were in previous seasons. We loved to blame costner and team chemistry with hickson, but I think the majority of us understand the talent on the floor. This makes people upset.

We hear CJL talk about ACC championships and Lowe talk about the talent NCSU has, but from the outside perspective and the on the court adjustments and lack of effort, fans get angry. I think it's better that we are angry than complacent, but often times it is infact directed in the wrong way or to the wrong people.

1/26/2011 12:06:50 PM

luckily I'd expect if any bballer saw that this thread was 253 pages they'd just be like

tl;dr

1/26/2011 12:09:09 PM

Its not anger towards him. It is just sound advice. Keep that shit to yourself and NEVER attack your fan base.

1/26/2011 12:15:43 PM

Well, when a chunk of your fan base consists of mouth breathers who show up to basketball games, and complain about things of which they know nothing, I could see how it could get annoying for a highly touted freshman.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:20 PM. Reason : fucking words, how do they work?]

1/26/2011 12:19:49 PM

the problem is not our players, it's our coaches.

i would think that after 5 years of this shit with differing casts of characters, people would figure out out by now. i think, like Ernie hinted at earlier, they finally have after last night.

sure, leslie didn't play well, but who left him in the fucking game during that pivotal stretch when we surrendered the last 7 points of our once 19 point lead?

jesus christ.

lay off the damn kid.... lay off of all of them. lowe's ass is as good as gone, so let's at least make the environment a stable one for the time when we finally hire a real coach.

1/26/2011 12:24:54 PM

FACE: don't even mention chris wright. Mentioning him would be a negative point about harris. Whether or not Harris is good is irrelevant. With the players he has recruited we have went to one sweet sixteen. That was with one decent coach too. I hate Herb Sendek but looking at the landscape of the ACC if Herb was here (I'm glad he's not) he could be the third or fourth best coach in the ACC. Sid right now is below the guy from Wake. So, bottom line, and like I said before we need a clean slate. I don't like seeing Harris on the sidelines now because it reminds me of the Herb era. After Sid is gone I don't want that constant reminder of this horrendous era in Wolfpack basketball sitting on the bench either!

1/26/2011 12:25:11 PM

maybe so. but again, keep that shit to yourself. Have college athletes learned anything from previous Facebook/Twitter scandals?

1/26/2011 12:25:19 PM

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"Sid right now is below the guy from Wake."

Despite whooping that ass head to head?

1/26/2011 12:28:13 PM

he doesnt get Wake's hopes up with big leads

1/26/2011 12:30:02 PM

^^Bzdelik needs time, recruiting, his players, a POINT GUARD, scholarship players, talents, top 10 recruiting classes, etc.

1/26/2011 12:31:35 PM

^ sounds familiar

1/26/2011 12:34:19 PM

What happens to all your hopes when we can Lowe, Leslie, brown and Harrow decide to transfer, Uchebo and the Tylers decommit, and we are left in the shitter?

1/26/2011 12:35:11 PM

^ the Tyler's won't de-commit.

Or, at least one of 'em won't -- Lewis was coming here whether Lowe was HNIC or not.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2011 12:37:05 PM

^^You are really dumb man. There's not much else to say.

CJL, Brown, and Harrow with NBA aspirations are not going to transfer and sit out a year.

The three recruits are average for ACC talent.

We are already in the shitter.

Give up already.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason : get a clue about basketball and report back to us]

1/26/2011 12:37:16 PM

AstralEngine has taken the retard belt from former sunshiners and is wearing it proudly

1/26/2011 12:39:00 PM

This team plays a lot better when it gambles and turns up the pressure on defense. It seems we apply good pressure and force turnovers until someone breaks it or we get a bad bounce and then Lowe gets scared and we revert into our status quo defense where we try to contest shots but don't really try for steals. We need to FORCE TEMPO on the defensive end. Most freshmen don't have the focus to guard for 35 sec. ours certainly do not. Maybe some real full court presses?

I also do not like how we don't contest layups and gimme shots because of the fear of getting a foul called on us (happened a bunch in the Miami game the big dude would get a rebound and instead of fouling the shit out of him we let him have the layup). We never seem to have foul trouble (outside of wood) and we are now deep enough were we could afford it. Our post D is weak as shit, not only do they not guard their own men well, they also don't provide very good help on guards. If a guard is coming in for a layup FOUL THE SHIT OUT OF HIM (make sure it is clean but make sure he doesn't make the shot and thinks about it the next time).

Maybe once Lowe realizes the writing is on the wall he will gamble a little more? It will certainly make it more exciting.

1/26/2011 12:43:34 PM

I'm just curious. All of you are spouting off at the mouth for Lowe to be fired, but with what seems like absolutely no foresight about what's going to happen next.

We don't have a short list of interested coaches
We don't even have a short list of realistically obtainable coaches
We do have a couple of made lists filled up with mostly fantasy and coaches who might not be any better than Lowe


I'm just curious what you expect to happen next season, the season after.. how many years until we're back in the NCAA's? Where are your expectations?

1/26/2011 12:44:19 PM

See, its comments like that from Harrow that are the reason we've been bitching for the Lowe haters to shut the fuck up. You say we have no proof that these kids will transfer if Lowe is fired, but god damn they know what assholes our fanbase has been....why in the hell would they stay?


And before it even starts...this shit has become inexcusable from the coaching staff..I recognize that...but its going to be impossible for us to have a clean break with all of you mouthing off.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 12:47:35 PM

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"We don't have a short list of interested coaches"

_we_ don't, but a competent AD should have a short list at all times

1/26/2011 12:47:47 PM

^^^

I think we'd rather gamble at this point, and hope that we'd be back in it within the next couple of years rather than stick with Lowe and be certain that we won't be back in it within the next couple of years.

And thanks, Debbie, for letting us know that there aren't any short lists out there.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM. Reason : ^'s]

1/26/2011 12:48:40 PM

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"See, its comments like that from Harrow that are the reason we've been bitching for the Lowe haters to shut the fuck up. You say we have no proof that these kids will transfer if Lowe is fired, but god damn they know what assholes our fanbase has been....why in the hell would they stay?"

Yes, it's always good to hold onto a worthless coach because you're worried about transfers and recruiting classes.

It is a proven recipe for a successful collegiate sports program, I promise.

1/26/2011 12:49:53 PM

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"See, its comments like that from Harrow that are the reason we've been bitching for the Lowe haters to shut the fuck up. You say we have no proof that these kids will transfer if Lowe is fired, but god damn they know what assholes our fanbase has been....why in the hell would they stay? "

I bash SIDNEY LOWE not CJL or Harrow or Enrico. I never say anything negative about anyone personally.

The last 2 seasons the "Sunshine Squad" has been saying that Lowe coaches well, the players don't execute.

So who again is exactly bashing the players?

1/26/2011 12:50:51 PM

Where did I call you out for bashing the players? He's likely referring to you shitting on the coaching staff since the first loss of the season and every non-perfect game we've played since, thus ramping up the pressure for them to do well.


Not saying they shouldn't sack up and play tough, but all of you have been acting like assholes towards this staff for a long time. Even as a supporter didn't disagree that the staff doesn't fuck some things up...or that they deserve to be gone if we collapse, but wait till the end of the fucking season.


(obviously the likelihood of a turn around is slim at this point, but people were acting like the world was over at 0-0, which is totally absurd regardless of our history)

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 12:53:38 PM

My biggest fear is that IF WE HAVE A COACHING CHANGE we revert to a Sendek style coach. We finally have enough talent to competitively run a traditional system and it would be NC STATE SHIT to get another weave and heave coach.
If Lowe teams could force turnovers I would be content and this team would be pretty damn good.

1/26/2011 12:54:40 PM

You think a new Athletic Director, who has barely had enough time here to get her feet wet, would be comfortable canning the current mens bball coach after one season?

1/26/2011 12:55:03 PM

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"What happens to all your hopes when we can Lowe, Leslie, brown and Harrow decide to transfer, Uchebo and the Tylers decommit, and we are left in the shitter?"

Leslie definitely wouldn't transfer. Lowe's firing may be the final push he needs to jump to the NBA after the season, but he'd be an idiot to transfer given his pro potential. Harrow and Brown...I don't know about.

1/26/2011 12:55:49 PM

lol, someone posted this on his wall



Also, you really need to get your head checked if you think Ryan is complaining about people bitching about the coaching staff. Try all of the hate for one of his best friends (CJL), and all of the complaining of under performing of another (Zo)? Hell, he even complained that he doesn't have the freedom on the court like he used to. They're not stupid...they can see the limitations of the staff as well as anyone else.

1/26/2011 12:57:00 PM

What happens if we stay with what we've got, all those guys come in, and we still finish 10th in the league?


Don't think talent is the issue here, and potential recruits is no reason to keep a coach that doesn't appear to be improving a terrible program

1/26/2011 12:57:41 PM

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"but all of you have been acting like assholes towards this staff for a long time."

Yeah how dare I keep buying tickets and God-forbid fucking cheer at games. I don't approve but I've supported the hell out of Sid. Criticism on fucking TWW does not equal not supporting the man. Really tired of hearing that bs.

Maybe Harrow and Lowe would like it better if they were at GT or BC with high school crowds because people don't give a fuck.

What Harrow said is true people shouldn't be attacking CJL personally but he should have kept that to himself and the team.

1/26/2011 12:58:06 PM

Too many people worried about canning Lowe because they still are under the impression that we have Lee Fowler for an AD ITT.

1/26/2011 12:59:22 PM

^^^You're right, freshman should be all ACC caliber coming into our team and totally change us from bottom of the pile ACC nobodies to top four contenders... that's reasonable

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ^]

1/26/2011 1:00:45 PM

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"^^^You're right, freshman should be all ACC caliber coming into our team and totally change us from bottom of the pile ACC nobodies to top four contenders... that's reasonable"

No, but a coach in year 5 should be experiencing somewhat of an uptrend in the win column and consistently getting better.

This isn't year 1, ya know

1/26/2011 1:01:58 PM

Have you seen the other teams in the ACC this year? There is no reason that anyone should have expected us to be outside of at least the top 4-5 this year.

1/26/2011 1:02:19 PM

thank you ^^^^^

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 1:04 PM. Reason : cause]

1/26/2011 1:02:39 PM

How do people feel about replacing Towe with someone with a reputation for defense?

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"Too many people worried about canning Lowe because they still are under the impression that we have Lee Fowler for an AD ITT."

No. Too many people are worried about canning Lowe because they understand that NCSU isn't exactly a destination job that is going to attract top coaching candidates (the last coaching search provides an indication of this).

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/26/2011 1:03:58 PM

Easy solution:


stop talking shit about the players.



ANY player can be coached to greatness.... it just takes a good coach.


If our players want to leave if Sidney gets shown the door, without taking into account the idea that we may end up with a better coach to help them cultivate their talents, then that's on them. Nothing we can do about that but wish them well.


But at no point should any of you fucking numbskulls be talking shit to the players.

1/26/2011 1:04:21 PM

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"We don't have a short list of interested coaches We don't even have a short list of realistically obtainable coaches "

Who knew that AstralEngine was Debbie Yow? That's a goddamn revelation right there.

1/26/2011 1:08:25 PM

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"How do people feel about replacing Towe with someone with a reputation for defense"

considering we'd still have someone that has no clue as head coach, this is a terrible idea

1/26/2011 1:09:26 PM

^^ We, TWW.

Not We, NCSU. Debbie Yow et al. can be looking ahead into the future and that would be reasonable (albeit heartbreaking to me) if that's what she was doing.

My point is that TWW is all rawr rawr rawr with no real idea what the future could be like otherwise. It's the instant gratification problem, because you're frustrated with our lack of success.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 1:11:29 PM

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"ANY player can be coached to greatness"

yeah, Coach K would've made Trevor Ferguson a lottery pick

1/26/2011 1:11:50 PM

so just so we're clear, you're still on the bandwagon Twista?

I don't really get AstralEngine's point. we have one of the worst coaches of all time. why are you so worried about a possible replacement? it's not like this is a high risk situation.

1/26/2011 1:15:43 PM

I think Lowe can run an offense the defense is what kills us. We force Clemson into their average number of TO and we win that game. Clemson is averaging about 14 turnovers PG in conference play. We force the fewest TO of anyone in the league.
When the team is running well and clicking it is because we are forcing turnovers.

^we could easily end up with a bzzzzzzdelick situation on our hands and that is a bad situation. That team actually has a decent talent level and it is one of the worst teams in ACC history.


[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ^]

1/26/2011 1:16:14 PM

^^^^ Why should we have a short list? This isn't Championship Manager. There's nothing wrong with complaining when the team is losing an inordinate amount of winnable games.

The problem with the era of the fantasy sports owner is that a Joe Public fan is expected have some credible answer for every problem he complains about. Radio hosts do it all the time now, despite having only a slightly firmer grasp on the realistic ins and outs of sports management than the fan they're talking down to.

1/26/2011 1:18:02 PM

Wake does not really have very good talent this year.

and I have faith in Yow to make a better hire than Bzzzzz. look at Colorado this year, they're doing way better since he left.

1/26/2011 1:20:26 PM