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"Joe Ovies ?@joeovies Oh look, pissing match between Jim Martin and Dan Kane playing out in the paper. ALL OF THE PAYWALL CLICKS!"

1/3/2013 4:07:09 PM

I do not understand why Ovies and Adam Gold are so meh on the whole UNC scandal. Everytime thay talk about it, they use it as an excuse to bash our "crazy" fans who think that we are grasping at straws wanting a 2nd NCAA investigation.

Honestly State got fucking pounded over our petty athletes selling shoes and tickets scandal while UNC basically gets away with full blown academic fraud in addition to agent-coaches, improper benefits, etc. It pisses me off that they are afraid to take a real stand against UNC. I guess they are scared to lose any listeners.

1/3/2013 4:16:07 PM

^They're all about the lulz and sarcasm. Right now there's not much fun there that's low hanging fruit. They were hitting it hard when it was all Marvin Austin and Pack Pride investigation info.

1/3/2013 4:26:29 PM

So can a case be made by the taxpayers to sue UNC for both its fraudulent waste AND for the coverups taking place? Who would benefit, and who could possibly be forced to pay the price?

Would it just ultimately end up in wasted money going to lawyers and no one else, or could a lawsuit of this kind actually be used to do any good?

[Edited on January 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2013 4:38:42 PM

Quote :

"could a lawsuit of this kind actually be used to do any good?"

subpoena power.

1/3/2013 4:42:07 PM

^Nah, most of the guilty parties would rather go to jail than turn in UNC

1/3/2013 5:19:35 PM

I'm fine with guilty people going to jail.

1/3/2013 5:40:07 PM

Thank god for the folks in Harrisburg. I guess they don't fear the NCAA/UNC as much as the folks in raleigh do.

#lackofinstitutionalfortitude

1/5/2013 11:20:13 AM

TGD could be our lawyer

1/5/2013 1:46:33 PM

^
Problem is taxpayers don't have standing to sue in their role as taxpayers except in very limited circumstances (challenging $$ allocations that violate the Establishment Clause). The state also has sovereign immunity from suit except where the state agrees to give up that immunity. It's why no one's been able to sue under Art. IX Sec. 9 of the NC Constitution re tuition and fee hikes.

It sure would be fun if it could be done though...

1/6/2013 8:42:36 PM

LOL @ how this thread and its talking points mirror Packpride.

BTTT

1/7/2013 9:21:26 AM

^is that really that funny?

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-athletic-department-goals-education-top-10-in-nation/11957924/

1/9/2013 1:31:54 PM

http://jimromenesko.com/2013/01/09/news-observer-editor-were-proud-of-our-reporting-on-the-unc-academic-scandal/

1/9/2013 2:42:59 PM

http://academicreview.unc.edu/media-availability-after-board-of-trustees-meeting/

This was the press conference immediately after the Martin report was presented. Watch Dan Kane's questions start from 13:10. LOL @ the Baker Tilly lady trying to jargon her way out of Kane's questions.

1/10/2013 8:41:26 PM

Great effort on her part

1/11/2013 10:16:38 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/11/2600399/faculty-member-there-was-no-warning.html#disqus_thread

1/12/2013 3:57:48 PM

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"Kramer asked Faculty Council Chairman Jan Boxill to enter his dispute with the report into the record. Boxill suggested to Kramer that he and the others on the athletics committee, who also said they recall no such warning, may just not remember what happened. She has called the Martin report a “thorough investigation” and has urged the university to move forward. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/11/2600399/faculty-member-there-was-no-warning.html#disqus_thread#storylink=cpy"

LOL

1/12/2013 4:13:24 PM

Jan Boxill was one of the Profs who gave Peppers a good grade. She also was heavily involved in the stupid protest on campus to persuade Thorpe to stay on as Chancy. She's deep in this mess

1/12/2013 4:20:58 PM

McAdoo supposedly lost his appeal

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"Dan Kane ? @ dankanenando N.C. Court of Appeals says former UNC football player Michael McAdoo has no case against UNC, NCAA"

[Edited on January 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2013 12:07:09 PM

Hope he spills the beans this offseason...

1/15/2013 12:11:44 PM

Armstrong == UNC

So many parallels that can be drawn ...

[Edited on January 17, 2013 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ...]

1/17/2013 11:14:55 PM

he should have someone ghost write his story

1/17/2013 11:23:03 PM

The most important parallel is the Statute of Limitations

1/17/2013 11:29:21 PM

not related except in the court of public perception

Quote :

" Complaint: UNC pressured dean to underreport sexual assault cases http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/01/50f8ca9bc71da"

1/18/2013 9:40:28 AM

^

Its more of good 'bad publicity' for UNC. Hope it makes national news.

So what sway/influence does a County Commissioner exactly have?

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"CHAPEL HILL-When former Governor Jim Martin has released his findings on the African Studies program, he said it was an academic scandal, and not related to athletics. But some local residents still have questions about how athletes might have factored into the scandal. Barry Jacobs, who serves as an Orange County Commissioner and also works as a sportswriter, is one of those residents. “People related to athletics at UNC want to say it’s over and that everyone can move on,” he says. “But for those of us who really know athletics, it’s true at every school that people in academic advising in the athletic department know where to go to keep players eligible. And it hasn’t been adequately explored by Governor Martin as to what the connection was at the other end at the pipeline.” Prior to Martin’s review, some had speculated that certain classes might have been specifically tailored to athletes as a way to keep them eligible for competition. On Thursday, when he released his findings, Martin said he saw no evidence of this—but Jacobs says while solid proof might not exist, he’s still curious about what athletes might have been saying to each other.” “There were a lot of athletes in those classes,” he says. “You can’t say they were necessarily designed for athletes, but certainly there was knowledge of where you could go to get at least a B or a B+.” Prior to Martin’s review, an earlier internal UNC investigation found that the irregularities in the AFAM Department were linked to just two individuals—former department chair Julius Nyang’oro and former administrator Deborah Crowder. Nyang’oro resigned earlier this year amid the controversy, and Crowder resigned in 2009. Martin’s review maintains that no other individual was culpable in the scandal. During the course of his investigation, his team attempted to contact Crowder and Nyang’oro; calls to both individuals went unreturned. But going forward, Jacobs says he’s still eager to hear what either of them have to say about exactly what happened. “I’m hoping that when people in law enforcement pursue their investigations, they can use their subpoena power to get some of the people who wouldn’t talk to Governor Martin to answer the questions we all still need answered,” he says. In any event, Jacobs says UNC’s reputation will be permanently altered by the fallout. “Whatever we may think of the athletic component, it is a university, and it’s a university that takes great pride in its academic excellence,” he says. “So, the fact that this was going on under a number of chancellors and a number of deans, is not a good thing.”"

http://chapelboro.com/County-Commissioner-On-AFAM-Scandal-It-Hasn-t-Been/15103086

1/18/2013 4:08:03 PM

Do you not know who Barry Jacobs is?

1/18/2013 4:12:33 PM

^ i have no idea. Who is he?

1/18/2013 4:23:55 PM

http://www.accsports.com/contributors/barry-jacobs.php

1/18/2013 4:45:25 PM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/19/3797820/ncaa-chief-were-still-talking.html

1/19/2013 12:46:16 PM

Quote :

"“And we will continue to talk more with North Carolina.”"

stopped reading there

1/19/2013 2:42:04 PM

Unbelievable! Minnesota got buttfucked for far less and they let UNC skate because its an ACADEMIC issue... Un fucking believable

http://brainerddispatch.com/stories/102400/nsp_1024000019.shtml

1/19/2013 4:13:09 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncaa-announces-problems-with-miami-investigation/12015093/ (not unc)

1/23/2013 2:47:53 PM

NCAA is now forking itself. Awesome.

1/23/2013 3:42:04 PM

With what they have let Carolina get away with why would anyone expect them to get anything right going forward?

1/23/2013 3:48:15 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-s-mcdonald-suspended-three-games-for-academic-issue/12016398/

I wonder if this is why Thorp had to bail on the meeting yesterday for a couple of hours to "deal with an issue on campus." Probably not, but who knows.

1/23/2013 4:38:36 PM

It can be expected now that they have to do their own work

1/23/2013 8:01:50 PM

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"A Wake County judge sent a message Thursday to state investigators probing possible sports-agent activity in connection with the UNC-Chapel Hill football program. Any search warrants in Wake County that investigators have asked to be shielded from public scrutiny will be unsealed in 45 days, Judge Donald Stephens said. “I’m well aware this is an investigation that’s extremely complicated,” Stephens said from the bench. “It’s been going on two and a half years. It’s about to be concluded.” Without disclosing what was in three sealed documents in Wake County, Stephens acknowledged that they included details that would be of much interest to the public. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/24/2630657/wake-judge-keeps-warrants-related.html#storylink=cpy"

Interesting

1/25/2013 10:06:51 AM

http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2013/01/26/12/07/XaLZO.So.156.pdf


[Edited on January 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ]

1/28/2013 11:11:05 AM

So basically anything outside of Afam or whatever he had a c or below... All of those other programs clearly don't have good instructors

1/28/2013 11:33:46 AM

I feel like a black man getting a D in a class called "The black experience" is pretty hilarious.

1/28/2013 11:42:45 AM

I hate chapel hell. I don't drive there if i can help.

Last week I went to turn in some tags to the DMV office at University Mall, since I technically live in Orange Co.

It has been shut down. This was the office that was aiding the scam-U football players in their parking fraud. They would mount hundreds of dollars in parking tickets on campus and then instead of paying the fines, they would get new tags from the DMV office. Something like that.

Now, I have to drive to Northgate Mall in durham. I was the only white person in the whole mall.

scam-U football players have now indirectly increased my odds of being shot, stabbed, carjacked and the like.

I wish I owned a chapel hill sized bull dozer.

1/30/2013 9:31:00 AM

http://www.heraldsun.com/opinion/opinioncolumnists/x3714323/Harris-Martin-s-retraction-and-why-it-matters

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"CHAPEL HILL — For a solid month Jim Martin’s report on UNC’s “academic anomalies” has caused much hand-wringing among UNC faculty. When the former governor asserted that the Faculty Athletics Committee (FAC) had soft-pedaled concerns raised by athletics officials in 2002 and 2006, he effectively laid the blame for the UNC athletic-academic scandal at the feet of the faculty. Out of a misguided desire to protect academic freedom, he claimed, representatives of the faculty had defended the right of instructors to offer courses in any conceivable format — even including the no-show and little-work format. Worried athletics officials, we were told, acted responsibly on this guidance from an elected faculty committee: They had informed the staff of the academic support center for student athletes (ASPSA) that any course offered by a UNC faculty member was above reproach, and that UNC teaching practices should never be questioned. Yet now we learn the evidence for Martin’s assertions is non-existent. Faculty who actually served on the FAC in 2002 and 2006 had already disputed the Martin narrative and were formalizing an explicit dissent from his report; they had cited meeting minutes that reflected no discussion whatsoever of teaching tactics or unorthodox course formats. At a meeting of a BOG subcommittee last week, Raina Rose Tagle, a representative of the accounting firm that assisted Martin, belatedly “clarified” Martin’s claims by noting that athletics officials had broached the topic of unorthodox teaching only by asking “a question...sort of offline”—that is, somewhere beyond the purview of the FAC. Tagle acknowledged that Martin’s central finding about FAC negligence — a finding so central that it is discussed four times in his text — should be “removed from the report.” Some will be inclined to skip right over this seemingly minor and off-hand “correction” to the Martin report — including BOG member Louis Bissette, who has denied that the change disqualifies the report “in any way.” But the importance of this event cannot be overstated. The validity of Martin’s interpretation of UNC’s troubles as “not an athletics scandal” hinged on the anecdote about the FAC; the discrediting of that anecdote undermines the interpretive thrust of the entire report. The leaders of ASPSA made the claims they made to Martin for one basic reason: they hoped to deflect critical attention away from the support program itself. Academic counselors had the authority, until very recently, to register athletes for their semester course schedules. Those counselors, Martin acknowledges, directed athletes to take the courses offered through the good graces of Julius Nyang’oro and Deborah Crowder. Those counselors, we have every reason to believe, struggled to find courses that under-prepared or under-motivated athletes could pass without too much difficulty. Crowder and Nyang’oro, it is well established, had close ties to personnel in the ASPSA. Now, with the retraction of the claim about the FAC, we also know this: The only officials on the UNC campus who were clearly in the know about the “paper course” scam, other than Crowder and Nyang’oro themselves, were staff and administrators in the athletics complex. And far from raising any “red flags,” far from approaching the suspect courses with caution, the personnel from ASPSA eagerly exploited the availability of free credits and GPA-boosting courses. Like bees to honey, athletes swarmed to these courses in such numbers that they accounted for 45 percent of the enrollments — even though athletes make up only about 4 percent of UNC’s undergraduates and no more than 16 percent of total enrollments in the department of African and Afro-American studies. The fact that athletes also happened to cluster at high rates in other courses, which Martin and Tagle seem to want to interpret as a sign of the sheer randomness of the athletes’ presence in the fully bogus courses, is beside the point. How many of the 45 percent were revenue-sport athletes? How many used paper courses as a lifeline to eligibility? We may never know, since Martin and Tagle oddly decided that such questions were irrelevant to their information gathering. But one critical data point no longer needs to be teased out of the blizzard of quantitative evidence they have provided: the UNC officials whose students most benefited from the paper course scam labored hard to sell Jim Martin a false and misleading story about faculty negligence. ASPSA complicity in academic fraud can no longer be plausibly denied. “Not an athletics scandal” indeed. Jay M. Smith is a professor of history at UNC-Chapel Hill"

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 9:35 AM. Reason : ...]

1/30/2013 9:35:18 AM

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"Now, I have to drive to Northgate Mall in durham. I was the only white person in the whole mall. scam-U football players have now indirectly increased my odds of being shot, stabbed, carjacked and the like. "

This sounds like you read an article on Durham from 10 years ago and wrote a fake story based on that. UNC provides enough craziness in this thread without you going all Helen Lovejoy on us.

1/30/2013 10:04:23 AM

yeah, i dug up a news paper from 10 years ago so that I could find a reason to hate on durham and chapel hilll on the web.

"You're so blind, even Jesus couldn't help you."

-Helen Lovejoy

1/30/2013 11:47:42 AM

nothing new but still makes me feel good when i read it

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/01/2647244/not-adding-up.html

2/1/2013 4:10:24 PM

Drescher: Baker Tilly retracts key finding in UNC report

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/01/2649467/drescher-firm-retracts-key-finding.html

It's a long article, but here's some of it.

Quote :

" The accounting firm that worked with former Gov. Jim Martin in investigating academic fraud at UNC-Chapel Hill last week dropped one of their key findings. Martin had said athletic officials and academic support officials raised questions with the Faculty Committee on Athletics about courses in one department that were supposed to be lecture courses but never met. But eight members of the faculty committee told The News & Observer’s Dan Kane no such concerns had been raised. After Kane’s reporting was published, Martin doubled-down on his claim. He wrote a letter to The N&O defending his conclusion and posted similar comments on various Internet sites. “I believe that findings and conclusions should be based on evidence, not hearsay and imagination,” Martin wrote. If only that were what Martin’s report did. Raina Rose Tagle, a partner with Baker Tilly, said last week that the evidence did not support Martin’s conclusion that the Faculty Committee on Athletics had heard concerns. Martin was governor from 1985 to 1993. I covered him for half that time as a reporter on the Capitol beat and interviewed him many times. He was smart and capable. But he’s an inexperienced investigator, and it showed in his report. After athletic department officials told him they had raised red flags with the faculty committee, neither Martin nor Baker Tilly interviewed any of the faculty committee members, except for the NCAA representative. That’s right: Gov. Martin never talked to the people he blamed for dropping the ball."

[Edited on February 2, 2013 at 11:19 AM. Reason : tons of gems in that article]

2/2/2013 11:11:47 AM

Quote :

"@ArmstrongWTVD: Say wha? "@_andrewcarter: A #UNC football tidbit: Backup QB Marquise Williams is not currently enrolled at UNC, team spokesman says.""

Class is too tough

2/4/2013 12:17:30 PM

Hmm, didn't he graduate high school early?

2/4/2013 12:18:59 PM

Quote :

"Among the first classes he was “assigned” (as he phrases it) was a Swahili course, an “independent studies” class taught by the department chairman, Julius Nyang’oro. “There wasn’t any class,” McAdoo recalled. “You sign up. You write the paper. You get credit. I had never seen anything like it.” He never once met his professor. Despite the strange circumstances, he researched and wrote the paper. It was that paper that got him in the trouble with the N.C.A.A."

SPILLDABEANS!!!!OMGWTFBBQ!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/opinion/nocera-academic-counseling-racket.html?_r=1&

2/5/2013 10:56:13 AM

can we put this on a billboard?

Quote :

"“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.” "

2/5/2013 11:36:32 AM