I'm not saying Colorado can win, I'm saying that you said he had a pretty decent record at Colorado.

1/26/2011 3:17:59 PM

Quote :

"15-16 is probably their best season in years"

Ricardo Patton, Bzdelik's predecessor, did a pretty good job of consistently putting up 18-20 win seasons

1/26/2011 3:19:43 PM

Should have said decent resume. Tons of NBA experience and head coach at 3 D-I schools. Point is I wouldn't judge him yet. If you really think this Wake team has talent, you need to be drug tested.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM. Reason : They went 7-20 in the year before Bzdelik took over]

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ^He had 3 20 win seasons in 11 years and 2 NCAA appearances not exactly great]

1/26/2011 3:19:47 PM

Quote :

"Ehh Colorado is a no-win situation. They've never been relevant"

Chauncey Billups says "fuck you"

1/26/2011 3:20:42 PM

Quote :

"Good points, but I think you guys are overlooking the fact that kids nowadays play more games with their AAU teams than they do with their high school squads. Between AAU and the myriad of all star games, these guys are playing with superior talents than your boy with the zits. The talent level step up from high school to college is much more gradual as a result of this."

True, and I don't have much knowledge of how the current AAU circuit works. I have heard it's just an offensive showcase for college scouts and really doesn't lend itself to "system" ball or have a lick of defense being played.

I do realize most great HS prospects go the AAU route, though

I won't go down that road as far as arguing. I'm certainly not familiar enough with it.

Either way, Freshmen need to learn that they are freshmen. The best thing they can do usually is pass it off to a veteran player and set them up for shots. The worst thing they can do is to try to be the hero, play out of control, and throw crap up at the rim like CJL did last night. Experience and coaching will slowly teach them that


[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 3:21:37 PM

Anyone who has watched wake play this season and thinks Bzdelik can coach his way out of a paper bag should just stop talking.



sure, their players aren't as good as ours, but god damn he might run the worst system and be the worst in game coach I've ever seen. Either he just doesn't try because they suck so bad, or he's making them worse than they actually are. I've seen probably 8 wake games this year and Sidney would put him to shame. You think OUR guys jack up bad shots???? Watch wake play for 5 minutes.

1/26/2011 3:23:27 PM

Quote :

"Freshmen need to learn that they are freshmen"

Very hard for coaches to get across in today's game. If I'm Barnes or Leslie, the only incentive to listen to my coach is so I don't look like a dick in the eyes of the NBA scouts. The one and done rule has made college hoops more exciting, but I also think it has hurt the game. Either make them stay 2-3 years, or don't make them come to school at all.

1/26/2011 3:26:30 PM

Quote :

"Anyone who has watched wake play this season and thinks Bzdelik can coach his way out of a paper bag should just stop talking. "

So 2/3 of a season you KNOW that Bzdelik can't coach despite winning at fucking Air Force?

I mean for years it was let Sidney get his system, players, blah blah fucking blah but you guys know for a fact that Bzdelik sucks. Ok.

Not saying he is good or isn't but he isn't a complete n00b at this coaching thing.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:28 PM. Reason : I can cuss and sound badass too!]

1/26/2011 3:27:09 PM

wake has bad players and a bad coach

their only guys who have any semblance of talent just constantly jack up bad shots and dont play winning basketball

and bzdelik is probably the blandest coach out there so he has a 0% shot of getting those guys to do what he wants

1/26/2011 3:28:12 PM

^^^And that's exactly where Lowe failed last night IMO.

Leslie added nothing, was out of control, and absolutely hurt this team. I don't care how good you were in high school, where you think you'll be drafted, or how good you think you are...if you're on my team you're going to play hard and smart. He did neither. I think any coach would have yanked him about the 3rd consecutive trip down where he took a horrible shot or turned it over. That is how you send that message to a freshman. Lowe did not.

You don't want them to be afraid to screw up, but you also can't let them lose the game for you. Leslie was terrible for about a 3:00-4:00 stretch last night


[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:33 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 3:30:00 PM

I can agree with that.

I just think its funny the guys saying give Lowe more time in year 5 already know for a fact that Bzdelik sucks.

1/26/2011 3:30:16 PM

Bzdelik has coached for more than five years

You know that right

--

It's also amazing that you think anyone has ever said that Lowe deserves another year

No one has said anything other than it's too early to tell

Who the fuck are you talking about

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 3:34:32 PM

Do you have adder blocked or ignored?

There are other dumbasses....AstralEngine or whatever

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : people that haven't dribbled a basketball that is]

1/26/2011 3:38:44 PM

No, maybe you could show me where he said give Lowe another year.

And you said guys -- plural.

1/26/2011 3:40:44 PM

Quote :

"I find it hilarious that adder knows in year one that Bzdelik isn't a good coach but in year 5 of Sidney's atrociousness he thinks he is a good coach. Bzdelik has a pretty decent record at Air Force and Colorado. Let's not act like they hired a coach with no experience. I wouldn't write him off. They lost the only PG on their roster before the season even started. But I'm sure you knew that with your basketball knowledge right? I mean Tracy Smith's injury caused us to lose by 40, what do you think Wake's PG being lost for the season cost?"

So would you be happy if we had Bzdelik next year? Bitch and moan about Sidney Lowe all you want but so far everything indicates bzz is a shitty shitty coach.

Quote :

"They lost the only PG on their roster before the season even started."

So you are really trying to compare the loss of a freshman 3* pg to the loss of Smith? Really?

Quote :

" Do you have adder blocked or ignored?"

Didn't say give him another year douchenugget. In fact many times I have stated that it is NCAA's or bust.
Now this is irony:

Quote :

" Jesus son learn to read"

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:48 PM. Reason : wow just wow]

1/26/2011 3:43:46 PM

Jesus son learn to read. You truly are too dumb to argue with.

I DO NOT THINK BZDELIK IS A GOOD OR BAD COACH

I am saying you already write him off without a full year and still can't see in year 5 that Lowe can't get it done.

1/26/2011 3:46:08 PM

You didn't answer my question. Would you be happy with a bzzzzzzzz next year? I certainly would not and most rational fans would understand that we took a step back.

1/26/2011 3:50:08 PM

Quote :

"Tons of NBA experience and head coach at 3 D-I schools. Point is I wouldn't judge him yet."

ROFL

So boozie, seeing as how Bzdelik and Lowe both have a ton of NBA experience, which essentially makes that line on their resume a wash

You're saying you wouldn't judge Bzdelik yet after coaching 3 different college teams

Yet you're writing off Lowe during his first college stint, let alone the fact that you wrote him off when he was hired?

Excuse me while I go laugh at your hypocrisy

1/26/2011 3:50:42 PM

Quote :

"So you are really trying to compare the loss of a freshman 3* pg to the loss of Smith? Really?"

Scott Wood is a 3* recruit, I guess State wouldn't miss him.

And yes it did kill them. Imagine State last year without Javi, A 3 STAR PG RECRUIT, and we had to play the whole year with Julius Mays or CJ Williams at point. We would have been lucky to win any ACC games. That's pretty much what Wake is going through.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:51 PM. Reason : Bzdelik has a better NBA and NCAA resume than Lowe not even close and he sucks ]

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:52 PM. Reason : adder quit looking at stars and watch the God damn games man]

1/26/2011 3:50:56 PM

Quote :

"Bzdelik has a better NBA and NCAA resume than Lowe not even close"

As far as college coaching resumes go, Lowe is 1-0 against Bzdelik

FACT

1/26/2011 3:53:46 PM

Bzdelik made the NCAA tournament at Air Force......Sidney Lowe couldn't make it at Duke.

They both are garbage but Lowe has been at NCSU for five years. His judgment time is over.

Bzdelik is just starting, he most likely won't succeed, but crazy things happen.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ^Might be the only coach Lowe can own]

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 3:58 PM. Reason : V lol Sid's cred is over and done with need something to talk about]

1/26/2011 3:55:43 PM

Sidney Lowe Jeff Bzdelik credibility watch

1/26/2011 3:57:18 PM

Quote :

"And yes it did kill them. Imagine State last year without Javi, A 3 STAR PG RECRUIT, and we had to play the whole year with Julius Mays or CJ Williams at point. We would have been lucky to win any ACC games. That's pretty much what Wake is going through."

This is a FRESHMAN 3* PG. Javi was a JUNIOR last year to compare the two is... RETARDED. Scott Wood is a SOPHOMORE that plays a different POSITION to compare the two is... RETARDED.

1/26/2011 3:59:24 PM

Stop posting.

You have nobody on your side anymore.

Give it a fucking rest.

You have no clue about ball.

I know more and guarantee could beat you on the court.

Wake losing their PG for the season hurts more Tracy missing a few games. Sorry kid.

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 4:03 PM. Reason : I didn't even compare Scott Wood just simply pointing out your stupid ass logic on stars]

1/26/2011 4:01:53 PM

Quote :

"Imagine State last year without Javi, A 3 STAR PG RECRUIT, and we had to play the whole year with Julius Mays or CJ Williams at point"

probably within 1-2 wins either way of where we ended up.

1/26/2011 4:07:27 PM

Quote :

"They both are garbage but Lowe has been at NCSU for five years. His judgment time is over."

Lowe has coached 4 complete college basketball seasons

Bzdelik has coached 7 complete college basketball seasons

How is Lowe's judgment time over but not Bzdelik's?

But congrats on Bzdelik's one NCAA tourney appearance in a shit conference only to lose in the first round of the NCAAs

Even though Lowe has never had a season as bad as this Wake team is having

1/26/2011 4:08:37 PM

I'm certainly not on Team Boozie, but I'm not sure how anyone can compare the careers of these two coaches and determine that Sidney has more credibility.

1/26/2011 4:08:47 PM

Making the NCAA Tournament in a "shit" conference is even more of an achievement.

Whatever, fuck this thread, I'm out. Don't give a fuck anymore. Lowe is done.

1/26/2011 4:09:56 PM

Quote :

"Making the NCAA Tournament in a "shit" conference is even more of an achievement"

I mean, sweeping New Mexico and Wyoming and Colorado State to improve your conference record is a great achievement and everything

Quote :

"but I'm not sure how anyone can compare the careers of these two coaches and determine that Sidney has more credibility"

I know Lowe owns him head-to-head

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2011 4:12:07 PM

kinda funny to me that i see more effort being put into this thread than i see being put into product on the basketball court

adder tries harder than the players do

1/26/2011 4:13:25 PM

boozie will post in here within the next 2 pages, assuming he is by his computer

1/26/2011 4:13:31 PM

Certainly not a perfect analogy, but is it more impressive for TCU to play in a BCS game, or a team from the SEC?

1/26/2011 4:17:40 PM

Want to know how bad we suck??

A poster is legitametly trying to say that Lowe is credible by using the basis that he is better than Bzdelik, the coach in 12th with no ACC wins.. way to aim high

1/26/2011 4:45:07 PM

Well, we do suck

However some of the Lowe haters are trying to say that Bzdelik is a better coach

Despite us whooping that ass head to head this year, and as you said, despite Wake having zero wins and being in last place

I mean, I'm not trying to say that Lowe is credible because he is better than Bzdelik...just pointing out how...he is a better coach than Bzdelik

1/26/2011 4:52:23 PM

you guys are totally gonna jinx the game at wake now. we still could finish below them in the acc

1/26/2011 4:55:24 PM

1/26/2011 4:57:49 PM

^^^i see.. i think a case could be made for either coach personally..

and ^^ has a good point.. the way we are playin now, wake could put it on us later in the year

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 4:58:35 PM

Quote :

"They lost the only PG on their roster before the season even started. But I'm sure you knew that with your basketball knowledge right? I mean Tracy Smith's injury caused us to lose by 40, what do you think Wake's PG being lost for the season cost?""

I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

You do know that Wake's PG, Tony Chennault, is back, right?

And you do know that he was playing in the 74-39 beatdown at GT, right?

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1/26/2011 5:15:04 PM

I remember Wake losing to all the shitty teams earlier in the year and being, "holy fuck, this could be the worst team in the history of the ACC." Then I saw them beat Iowa in the Big 10 Challenge and I was like..."maybe I was wrong, they could win a few games in the ACC and just be the worst team this year in the ACC...not the history."

Then I saw that Iowa really sucks too, then we beat the shit out of Wake, and now everybody in the ACC is beating the shit out of Wake, so now I'm like, "yeah, they're definitely the worst team in the history of the ACC."

So boozie is retarded and so is adder. And I have no idea why Twista is even arguing with them about why Lowe is a better coach. [Waiting]Great...that's like saying you're the smartest kid with downs syndrome. [/Waiting]



[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 6:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2011 6:05:17 PM

Why are we talking about Wake ITT?

1/26/2011 6:08:49 PM

how do you think we got to 255 pages chief?

1/26/2011 7:07:13 PM

I like going back in these threads sometimes and usually look for where I was an idiot and along the way read what some of the other Sports Talk "stars" had to say...this gem speaks for itself:

Quote :

"No question about it, Lowe's substitutions lost this game for us."

- rallydurham 11/18/2007 8:39:48 PM

And funny enough, I had this as a response:

Quote :

"YEA WHY DID HE TAKE THOSE GUYS OUT THAT WERENT HUSTLING AND PUT IN THOSE GUYS THAT WERENT HUSTLING WHY DID HE TELL FELLS TO INTENTIONAL FOUL WHY DID HE TELL OUR GUYS TO SAY FUCK THE DFENSE, WERE STATE BITCH WHY DID COSTNER NOT GET ON THE FLOOR FOR A LOOSE BALL? SID TOLD HIM! FIRE SID@###@$@#42423432"

Though, at the time, Sids sub(marine)ing wasn't yet a clear trend.

1/26/2011 7:14:41 PM

Quote :

"rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post I should get my dick sucked for starting a 100 page thread in sports talk. The first two pages is idiot fest. People trying to bash me for seeing the future. Sid is a shitty coach, the quicker this clownfest alumni realizes that the better. Oh no I'm predicting the future again. This thread is only 37 pages not 100..... Kinda like we were 4-4. And kinda like we only lost on a fluke bank shot. NC State is a homo school."

well, he was almost right. this is going to be a 300 page thread. i also like how he started his liberal fat faggot trolling all the way back on page 37

1/26/2011 7:19:17 PM

Hey guys! Sorry I'm late to the party!!! I just logged in to say: I was right!

























3 years ago!

1/26/2011 7:19:47 PM

nah, you weren't right, and you're still a douche.

Yeah, we really shit the bed against Clemson, but as mentioned earlier, for the first 15 mins of the game, we played great. Same with the Miami game. It's so damn frustrating

[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 7:38 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2011 7:34:56 PM

Quote :

"A poster is legitametly trying to say that Lowe is credible by using the basis that he is better than Bzdelik, the coach in 12th with no ACC wins.. way to aim high "

Actually this is the usual boozie making up arguments bullshit. The purpose of the bz reference was to note how terribly the WF coaching change went. Bz is a shitty shitty coach and I think most state fans would be pissed if we ended up with someone like that (and if you recognize the reality of how desirable this job is it is easy to see how we could end up with someone like that).

What I really want to know (because I see this as a strong possibility provided we don't completely give up) is how the critics would feel about the replacement of Towe this year with a defensive oriented coach.

Quote :

" Yeah, we really shit the bed against Clemson, but as mentioned earlier, for the first 15 mins of the game, we played great. Same with the Miami game. It's so damn frustrating "

We play well when we force turnovers. If we could just force a team like Clemson into their season average we would have been in a much better position.


[Edited on January 26, 2011 at 7:55 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/26/2011 7:50:42 PM

well, the delayed "Get Lowe" audio scared the living fuck out of me...

1/26/2011 7:57:09 PM

Same here.

1/26/2011 7:58:07 PM

+1.

actually it happened twice.

+2.

1/26/2011 7:59:49 PM