^^ haha you've been doing that for the last 2 or 3 pages though

3/20/2010 2:24:53 PM

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"It seemed like you both thought something other than or in addition to the bomb caused the alternate timeline."

Personally, I don't think the bomb caused the alternate time-line. If it turns out to be a true "alternate time-line" and not simply some dumbass "what if", I personally think that timeline has always existed or them simply traveling back caused a new time-line to essentially split off from the moment the got back there..

I don't want to go into it too lengthy of an explanation, I've posted (some long shit) about it in last season's or the season 4 thread. But with the rat experiments, Faraday had talked about there being these coexisting time-lines, realities, etc. And he was trying to send the rat's mind to the future and bring it back so it knew the maze without having been taught the maze. It wasn't as simple as sending it to the future though, he had to send it to a future in which it specifically learned the maze. He wasn't successful until Desmond told him the coordinates (2 points, maybe future time and specific time-line?), which he had told Desmond to go back and tell him. -- I don't recall exactly, it could have been that Desmond telling him actually sped his research up. But it may have always been from Desmond that he originally found out as well.


But yes, if it is an alternate time-line, I'm doubtful of the bomb causing it in any way. Mainly because I don't think the bomb went off in the original time-line. So, that's a huge difference right there that creates a bit of a paradox. If the bomb going off caused the alternate time-line, then it must not have gone off in the original time-line. So that means the second time-line was already different than the original time-line for the simple fact that the bomb went off - not just in the aftermath of the bomb going off.

And I'm not certain it went off in the alternate time-line either. - I think I said this already but; from what i've read that bomb was in the mega-ton range. I think that thing would fuck that island up pretty bad. And it didn't seem that bad in the under water scene necessarily (all of the houses were still standing). So I could be wrong about the destructive force of the bomb, it could be inaccurate writing, or the bomb didn't go off.

Again though, this is all based on the assumption that the flash-sideways are a true alternate time-line and that it's the future of when Jack, sawyer, and co. were hanging out on the island back in the 70's.

[Edited on March 20, 2010 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2010 3:36:38 PM

sometimes I wonder if you people actually watch the show. it was clear that the purpose of the bomb was not to blow up the damn island... it was to dissipate the energy... that implies the energy from the bomb would go towards canceling out most of the EM energy from the island as opposed to generating a massive island-engulfing explosion.


not to mention that it was NOT the hydrogen bomb its self that was detonated... only the fission trigger, which would only be in the lower kiloton range.

[Edited on March 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/20/2010 3:47:00 PM

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"sometimes I wonder if you people actually watch the show. it was clear that the purpose of the bomb was not to blow up the damn island... "

i don't think anyone has ever argued that the purpose of the bomb was to do anything other than what you said. the idea is that maybe the bomb detonated in the alternate timeline and caused some kind of event that made the island sink.

3/20/2010 4:15:21 PM

lol, I didn't know/recall that the fission trigger would cause such a drastically less potent effect than it would if the shell was around it. Although, it makes sense to a certain extent thinking about it. I don't recall the exact conversations. I thought they just took the "core" or fission trigger because it was a helluva lot easier to move than the entire bomb. I didn't recall or realize that it was because it would be less potent and that's all they really needed.

My line of thinking was that while it was intended to cancel out the electro magnetic field, it's still a huge ass bomb. A fully swung baseball bat would cancel out a roach on my wall, but it's going to cancel out some of my wall too. But taking the "just the fission trigger, so not as potent" part into consideration, that makes sense of why the buildings may still be around.

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"So I could be wrong about the destructive force of the bomb"

[Edited on March 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : what ^ said]

3/20/2010 4:20:09 PM

Just throwing out a possibility here (admittedly with a lot of hypotheticals), but...

What if it was just the trigger that went off and it did have significantly less explosive power? Say it only blew up the pocket and negated the electromagnetic energy. What if doing this somehow not only prevented 815 from crashing, but "corrected" time and wiped out the time-travelers, leaving only the people who were in their original time. Maybe the electromagnetic pocket being destroyed also somehow caused the island to gradually sink (through a chain of events that left enough time for Roger to escape with Ben the child).

I have no idea how this would pertain to so many people not ending up on the island, though. Maybe Jacob, for some reason, has no motive anymore to "push" them toward the island anymore in this alternate "corrected" timeline, or maybe he doesn't exist in it. I don't know. It seems like a stretch, and it is, but maybe not as much of a stretch as some of the past things they've done on Lost.

3/20/2010 4:40:00 PM

did you not read what I just wrote?

3/20/2010 5:17:24 PM

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"i don't think anyone has ever argued that the purpose of the bomb was to do anything other than what you said. the idea is that maybe the bomb detonated in the alternate timeline and caused some kind of event that made the island sink."

I described on either the last page or one of the previous pages about how perhaps the EM energy of the island somehow kept it buoyant, and removing that energy caused the island to slowly sink (thereby allowing people ample time to leave, etc.)

3/20/2010 5:19:46 PM

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"I described on either the last page or one of the previous pages about how perhaps the EM energy of the island somehow kept it buoyant, and removing that energy caused the island to slowly sink (thereby allowing people ample time to leave, etc.)"

did i not reiterate that fact in my previous post when i said that was the idea being thrown around, not that the purpose of the bomb was to blow up the island?

3/20/2010 5:30:14 PM

you may have... i was just reiterating the idea after all the [words]

3/20/2010 5:32:05 PM

I did read what you wrote, smath. I was using what you said about the trigger to show that maybe it was solely the bomb that caused the alternate timeline. I missed the other post where you talked about the EM energy and the buoyancy of the island. So, I guess I'm agreeing with you.

On a side note...I would rate this season much higher than 3/10. I've enjoyed it more than I've enjoyed any Lost season since Season 2, to be honest. I realize I'm in the minority.

3/20/2010 5:58:17 PM

oh ok... i guess i had a minor brainfart... it's hard to read a person's tone in text sometimes.

3/20/2010 6:05:13 PM

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"and removing that energy caused the island to slowly sink (thereby allowing people ample time to leave, etc.)"

don't know if i can sign on to this, mostly because roger linus said that they should have stayed on the island, which would imply that he did not know the island sunk and that the reason he left wasn't related to the island slowly sinking.

3/21/2010 7:46:54 PM

^ i thought he said they never should have went?

3/21/2010 8:06:43 PM

^^maybe they left for other reasons and the sinking happened later.

3/22/2010 9:22:03 AM

Richard episode tonight!

3/23/2010 9:44:07 AM

in regards to the island sinking and i know my memory is a bit fuzzy so maybe i am making this up, but in an earlier season, didnt everyone on the beach have to move because the tides kept coming closer and closer to them as the days went on? if that is tru, couldn't that lead to the theory of the tides continuing to go further inland and almost "swallowing" the island gradually over time?

[Edited on March 23, 2010 at 11:53 AM. Reason : ?]

3/23/2010 11:52:58 AM

i don't remember that at all

3/23/2010 11:56:24 AM

like i said my memory is fuzzy so maybe i am making it up

3/23/2010 11:59:01 AM

i don't remember that at all.

3/23/2010 11:59:22 AM

You're thinking of Deep Impact

3/23/2010 12:01:28 PM

I don't remember that at all.

3/23/2010 12:02:09 PM

I remember that

But your theory is stupid

3/23/2010 12:02:39 PM

never saw deep impact haha.. alright well then i'm wrong; thought there was something that happened with the tides...

3/23/2010 12:02:49 PM

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"i don't remember that at all"

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"i don't remember that at all."

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"I don't remember that at all."

Funny how much this reads like a first-grade grammar lesson.

3/23/2010 12:05:28 PM

there was an episode in season 1 where the tide was coming in. i think it might've been around the time when they were debating on staying at the beach or moving up to the caves. i doubt that'll be relevant ever again.

3/23/2010 12:34:26 PM

ah that must be what i'm thinking of; i didnt realize it was that far back. scratch my theory then

3/23/2010 12:35:57 PM

Can't wait for tonight's episode. Gonna be awesome.

3/23/2010 12:39:50 PM

was there something wrong with my sentence?

3/23/2010 1:26:34 PM

^ about you not remembering something that happened?

3/23/2010 1:33:06 PM

yes

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"Funny how much this reads like a first-grade grammar lesson."

3/23/2010 1:38:22 PM

oic

3/23/2010 1:57:50 PM

Wasn't insulting you, se7entythree. It was just funny to me the progression of grammatical correctness.

3/23/2010 2:32:02 PM

45 minutes til richard alpert

3/23/2010 8:17:36 PM

I missed the first five minutes and saw ben walking away from campfire...what happened? thx

3/23/2010 9:06:02 PM

lol, an episode about the cost of healthcare, how ironic

3/23/2010 9:13:10 PM

youre going to hell...

may god have mercy on your soul?

that doesnt add up

3/23/2010 9:16:33 PM

^^

3/23/2010 9:17:20 PM

I could only pick up about half of what Hurley was saying in Spanish.. didn't sound terribly important.

3/23/2010 9:17:25 PM

you'd think the black rock would've made it to the island before night time considering jacob and MiB saw it in the middle of the afternoon

3/23/2010 9:29:19 PM

^^ Can you post your translation of what you picked up?

[Edited on March 23, 2010 at 9:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2010 9:29:38 PM

^^that was obviously not the black rock that jacob and MIB saw

3/23/2010 9:30:43 PM

^yep, the first one was one of jacob's experiments or whatever, this one is MIBs attempt at finding a loophole.

3/23/2010 9:42:08 PM

i don't think it's fair to say "obviously" but ok

3/23/2010 9:42:43 PM

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"the first one was one of jacob's experiments or whatever, this one is MIBs attempt at finding a loophole."

think the loophole is in jacob's experiment.... and it could be the black rock in both cases. They may have sailed past the island by day and been swept back by night during a storm.

3/23/2010 9:49:00 PM

^ reasonable argument with what we've been given. some people are starting to sound like mambagrl in here

3/23/2010 9:51:18 PM

yeah, maybe MIB is just screwing with Jacob's plan

3/23/2010 9:53:19 PM

wow. great episode. probably the best so far.

3/23/2010 10:05:48 PM

AWESOME

3/23/2010 10:12:02 PM

Yep, aint no one gonna be complaining about "no answers" after this one

3/23/2010 10:13:13 PM