^^wow, thats the most absurd thing I've ever heard you say

11/8/2011 5:36:46 PM

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"studies has shown"

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 5:39 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 5:39:18 PM

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"scientific studies has shown rebounding is a function of talent and really can't be improved by coaching."

lol.

people may have a natural knack for it, which is what i think/hope you're trying to say, but to ignore the influence of proper coaching is retarded.

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 5:40:24 PM

face wasn't completely wrong with that statement, far from absurd.

11/8/2011 6:45:07 PM

its very absurd to think that practicing and teaching techniques do very little to improve rebounding, laughably absurd

11/8/2011 6:58:54 PM

^of course. i also think its absurd to think that the team hasn't practiced rebounding techniques before this year. that's not to say that MG isn't better at teaching and practicing rebounding techniques.

11/8/2011 7:05:35 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+studies+has+shown+rebounding+is+a+function+of+talent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

maybe i didnt search hard enough

11/8/2011 7:41:28 PM

It is very fitting that the first hit from that search is the Wikipedia article on autism.

11/8/2011 7:56:37 PM

i had that typed out as well but decided to be nice lol

11/8/2011 8:05:56 PM

and here, all this time, i thought rebounding was a function of talent, spacing/position, and boxing out

11/8/2011 8:08:57 PM

who wants the ball more?

11/8/2011 11:50:45 PM

be serious guys, rebounding has almost zero to do with coaching. That should be obvious to a casual fan.
Rebound rates are some of the most consistent statistics from team to team, season to season, and level to level.

Don't lose all context just because we have a new coach. Losing smith and harrow will improve our rebounding substantially. Changing our coach means dick.

11/9/2011 3:14:03 AM

tracyyyyyyy SMIF

11/9/2011 4:18:34 AM

I'm still waiting for links to these rebounding studies to be posted.

11/9/2011 6:34:56 AM

scientific studies, eh? let's just hope this thread doesn't turn into that crap "global warming" thread in soap box, with a bunch of worthless, skewed charts and 2,000 pages of even more worthless bickering

11/9/2011 6:47:33 AM

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" Wolfpack's Gottfried becomes teacher, preacher BY J.P. GIGLIO - jgiglio@newsobserver.com The same pejorative words and damning phrases kept coming up when Mark Gottfried asked about the N.C. State men's basketball program he inherited. "Selfish," "didn't play hard," "didn't play together," - this is what the Wolfpack's new coach heard about his team, which finished 15-16 last season, outside the NCAA tournament for the fifth straight time and a double-digit seed in the ACC tournament for the fifth straight year. "I heard those comments about our team," Gottfried said. "There's nothing I can do to change the past, but what do we do from here?" That's the crossroads where Gottfried, 47, an accomplished college coach who was out of the game for two years, finds himself with a proud Wolfpack program, one of only 14 with two NCAA titles but almost 30 years removed from its most recent one. For an anxious fan base, it's difficult to reconcile N.C. State's basketball past with its present. The program boasts national championships in 1974 and '83, and 60 years further back, it was the main player in the creation of ACC basketball under Everett Case. In recent years, the Wolfpack has slumped to the bottom third of the conference, with sparse postseason success in the past 20 years. Gottfried, who took Alabama and Murray State to the NCAA tournament seven times in 14 years as a coach, has not side-stepped the big-picture issues during his seven months on the job succeeding Sidney Lowe. He has put together one of the best recruiting classes in the country for next season, with three in-state products who rank among the top 70 prospects in the country, including two in the top 25. But that's for next season's team. Gottfried has tried to be as realistic about this season, and the state of the program, as he can be. "We've been in five NCAA tournaments in 20 years," Gottfried said. "Twenty! "You take a 17-year-old kid, 16-year-old kid, they look at us as, you know, we're not really that cool. So we have to change all that. We have to be able to sell to fans and recruits what we think we can become." Maximum effort What Gottfried wants the team to become in the immediate future, before the recruiting help arrives, is a team that puts in the maximum effort in its preparation, in both practice and the weight room. He wants a program built from the ground up, on the pyramid of principles established by coaching legend John Wooden at UCLA, where Gottfried worked for eight seasons as an assistant coach before taking the Murray State job in 1995. Sophomore guard Lorenzo Brown said there already is a difference in attitude and work ethic among the players. Brown said N.C. State's biggest problem last season under Lowe wasn't a lack of talent. "We weren't pushed as much as we should have been," Brown said. "We didn't have enough leadership on the team." Intermittently during the 2010-11 season, N.C. State played hard enough for 40 minutes - most notably during a late ACC stretch against Clemson, Maryland and North Carolina. But those efforts were sandwiched between disappointments - a 39-point loss at Wisconsin on Dec. 1, and an 11-point loss at Virginia on March 1 - that were more representative of N.C. State's effort. "The games that we played hard were noticeable," Brown said. "Some times, people would get so frustrated that we broke down. "It was hard last year." The promising freshman trio of Brown, Ryan Harrow and C.J. Leslie was supposed to push the Wolfpack, a National Invitation Tournament team the previous season, into the NCAA tournament last season. But forward Tracy Smith, the team's leading scorer and focal point of the offense the previous two seasons, missed 10 games with a knee injury, including four key nonconference games. The team never found a rhythm, with or without Smith. The talented freshmen had their moments - Leslie led the team in rebounding and Brown in assists - but they couldn't string those moments together during ACC play, where the Wolfpack finished 5-11 in regular-season games. Harrow, last season's point guard who produced an uneven 9.3 points and 3.3 assists per game, transferred to Kentucky shortly after Gottfried was hired. Leslie's relationship with Lowe deteriorated as the season progressed, but he opted for a chance to start over with Gottfried. Cupboard isn't bare In Brown (9.4 points per game, 3.8 assists per game), Leslie (11.2 ppg, 7.1 rebounds per game), shooting guard Scott Wood (72 3-pointers) and power forward Richard Howell (6.4 rpg), Lowe left Gottfried a foundation to be competitive in a what should be a down season overall in the ACC. Gottfried added guard Alex Johnson, a graduate student transfer from Cal State Bakersfield, and freshman forward Thomas de Thaey, and each should help in problem areas (ball-handling and toughness). Gottfried has singled out senior guard C.J. Williams, an on-again, off-again starter under Lowe, as a key to the team's success. Williams has developed as a shooter and leader in his three seasons. But he has been the "other" C.J. on the roster. In part, that's why Gottfried has taken to calling Leslie by his given name, Calvin. Gottfried has bristled at the media attention paid to Leslie, a McDonald's All-American from Holly Springs who was a prep star with Washington Wizards guard John Wall at Raleigh's Word of God. A 6-foot-8 forward, Leslie was considered a recruiting savior a year ago but displayed wild swings of production during an uneven freshman season. He seemed to miss the luxury of playing with Wall, a one-and-done college phenom at Kentucky and the first overall pick in the 2010 NBA draft. Keeping Leslie, who Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski called one of the most talented players in the ACC last season, engaged for longer stretches of the season is the biggest challenge for Gottfried. His teammates understand the value of Leslie and his importance to the team's success. "He knows that he needs to step things up and to be a leader and do everything he can to make this team better," Wood said. Leslie, who was suspended one game by Lowe last season for attitude issues, has impressed Gottfried. "He's willing to make changes and play harder and play better and be more responsible," Gottfried said. Leslie, in a sign of maturity, understands he has to be more engaged and more consistent than he was last season. "The past is the past," he said. "You can learn from it, but you can't go back. I've got a new year to focus on." That's the same message his coach has been preaching. Gottfried already has one convert"

11/9/2011 9:58:02 AM

positive press about nc state

this is so weird

i don't even

11/9/2011 10:10:59 AM

Giglio's got our back.

11/9/2011 10:31:23 AM

I like how coach refers to "us" and "our" and "we" even when talking about the past.

11/9/2011 10:40:31 AM

http://eye-on-college-basketball-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29884776/33203384

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"But here at CBSSports.com, we take a different look as well - one that had more than 100 high-major Division 1 coaches respond to the following seven questions about their peers and recruiting. Who is the most overrated head coach recruiting-wise? 1. Ben Howland, UCLA 2. Travis Ford, Oklahoma State 3. Mark Gottfried, N.C. State 4. Bill Self, Kansas 5. Shaka Smart, VCU"

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ]

11/9/2011 10:50:27 AM

Shrug...dude is bringing in a great class. Everyone can think he's overrated all they want, but if he keeps recruiting well then I don't care what they say.

11/9/2011 10:55:46 AM

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"Who is the most overrated head coach recruiting-wise"

what does that even mean?

11/9/2011 10:58:10 AM

UCLA currently has the most NBA players IIRC

at that list

11/9/2011 10:58:41 AM

How many highly rated classes has Shaka had?

11/9/2011 10:58:54 AM

I guess they're trying to say what coach is bringing in the best talent and has no performance to back it up? I dunno

11/9/2011 11:02:07 AM

It's Jeff Goodman.


He talks shit about State every chance he's gets. Don't bother with him.

11/9/2011 11:04:04 AM

LOOK AT ALL THESE GOOD-ASS RECRUITS WHAT A SCRUB

11/9/2011 11:14:50 AM

^^ they polled the coaches, this isn't his opinion

11/9/2011 11:18:47 AM

big deal...guys are just jealous he pulled in purvis and warren (and maybe jefferson) w/out coaching a game in 2 years

11/9/2011 11:22:12 AM

But here at thewolfweb.com, we take a different look as well - one that had more than 100 high-level Sports Talk posters respond to the following question about their peers and recruiting.

Who is the most underrated national reporter douchebag-wise?

1. Greg Doyel, cbssportsline
2. Heather Dinich, espn
3. Jeff Goodman, cbssportsline
4. Jason Whitlock, foxsports
5. gunzz, packpride

11/9/2011 11:23:22 AM

Dinich over Doyel.

his coverage of the unc shit won me over (kinda).

she is still just a raging cunt.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM. Reason : she's still mad we beat the greatest indiana football player of all time in randel-el]

11/9/2011 11:25:24 AM

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"they polled the coaches, this isn't his opinion"

seems pretty weird that they'd ask Div 1 coaches "who do you think it the most overrated coach, recruiting wise", and that the coaches actually answered it.

11/9/2011 11:31:51 AM

how can you be over-rated if you actually get results, recruiting-wise? i don't understand

11/9/2011 11:33:27 AM

How can you be overrated when you haven't even coached a regular season game at your new school? Not to mention his big class is a year away.


Stupid list is stupid.

11/9/2011 11:35:57 AM

Maybe the coaches that voted him as an overrated recruited believe that this class is fluky (for whatever reason) and that MG won't continue to have this type of recruiting in the success?

11/9/2011 11:40:37 AM

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"I guess they're trying to say what coach is bringing in the best talent and has no performance to back it up? I dunno"

that's the exact opposite of shaka smart. and i don't know how you can call a guy overrated after a two year hiatus and a single summer back on the job. whatever, i don't care, rodney purvis rodney purvis.

also:

Regardless of affiliation, if you had to pick one head coach to get a prospect, who would it be?
2. Sean Miller, Arizona

Who is the most underrated head coach recruiting-wise?
5. Sean Miller, Arizona

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM. Reason : sean miller, simultaneously a top 2 recruiter and a top 5 underrated recruiter.]

11/9/2011 11:40:52 AM

He got good recruits at Bama too. Maybe they're just basing it on whatever freak incident it was that led to their prized 5* leaving the team and making him resign.

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM. Reason : ]

11/9/2011 11:45:42 AM

Just to be mentioned, good or bad, by other coaches mean you are at least relevant.

To quote Riley Freeman, "If niggas ain't hatin' on you, you doin' somethin' wrong."

11/9/2011 11:49:08 AM

^I don't know if I agree with this. I remember one of the Carolina football players making the comment that because they were being discussed in the same sentence as Ohio State and USC (regarding NCAA violations), they felt it an honor because those were big-time programs.

Still, this does play into Gottfried's mantra of "we have something to prove".

11/9/2011 12:12:57 PM

ha i remember before the LSU game there were some LSU fans on insidecarolina saying things like "this just means you've made it as a football program". close.

11/9/2011 12:24:30 PM

^I heard the same thing and all I could think of was the line out of the Adam Sandler version of The Longest Yard where the former FSU QB is asked how he use to get his teams pumped up and his response was something like, "We'd schedule a powder puff to beat up on, something like a [insert small school] or Appalachian State."

I had a good time reminding Carolina fans that they were LSU's powder-puff game, colors and all.

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11/9/2011 12:28:45 PM

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"@GoodmanCBS: Trust me, I wouldn't have put Gottfried on that list if I were voting. Not with what he's done so far at N.C. State."

11/9/2011 12:35:09 PM

good article
http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2011/nov/10/wssss01-can-gottfried-spark-pack-revival-ar-1593442/

+1

The last quote is great!

[Edited on November 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM. Reason : !!11!]

11/10/2011 10:13:09 AM

wonder who's the interviewee referenced in that column was

11/10/2011 10:44:21 AM

"the best movie director in Hollywood:"

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0142286/

11/12/2011 8:29:44 PM

^^billy donovan, duh

11/12/2011 9:23:52 PM

I think it was Old Greggggg who came in talkin' bout how much he loves Duke and UNC.

11/12/2011 10:50:27 PM

So who are we gonna hire after we run this guy off?

11/12/2011 11:57:37 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=620417

11/13/2011 12:29:28 AM

great job so far this is the most organized we've looked since ... ever?

11/13/2011 7:03:13 PM