Yes basically

I mean the real answer here is that democrats have shown to be pussies when it comes to this kind of stuff...my point is kind of...yeah, NCGOP is terrible, truly terrible...but if Charlotte has the power to basically put their ordinance back and they don't, I don't think we can really FULLY blame the GOP for pulling dishonest shit here. You could have expected them to do it, if Charlotte continues to cooperate with them than I fault them just as much for not standing their ground at this point. If they have the ability to do so, and it seems like they do, it's their fault if they don't

12/22/2016 4:20:01 PM

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"But what would Charlotte care if the state then re-passes the parts of HB2 since they didn't fully repeal it anyways?"

Charlotte never cared about the issue in the first place, that's why. It was always just a ploy to get Cooper elected and McCrory ousted. Which is fucking stupid, because the NCGA has a veto-proof GOP majority. Charlotte and the HRC fucked the entire state, not to mention LGBT people, for literally nothing. Thanks, guys!

12/23/2016 12:06:23 AM

no, it wasn't a ploy just to get Cooper elected

12/23/2016 12:36:45 AM

Uhhhh, yeah, it was. That's why they offered now to repeal the ordinance... after the election... that Cooper won. Otherwise, why not repeal it much earlier in the year, when the exact same deal was offered? Oh, right, because then they'd lose their best election fodder against shithead McCrory. Instead, they let NC take a ton of heat, cost us tons of sporting events and business deals... But hey, at least they got Cooper elected so the NCGA can override all of his vetoes. Hell yes!

12/23/2016 12:53:10 AM

so all of the other municipalities nationwide who passed essentially the same law before Charlotte were in on it too?

12/23/2016 1:04:07 AM

It was a trivial ordinance that should have been a non story, it's fucking retarded to think it had anything to do with electing Cooper.

12/23/2016 6:18:52 AM

aaronburro Wearing a double layer of heavy duty tin foil today.

12/23/2016 7:20:33 AM

Consider the evidence that it was the NCleg that was acting politically:

They already had HB2 written before Charlotte passed its ordinance.

They met in a special session and pushed the bill through the legislature (partisan votes) and McCrory signed it all in less than 48 hrs.

They were the ones hysterically claiming "think of your daughters in the locker rooms." Then at least half, maybe more, of them threw that argument under the bus so that they could repeal.

Face it, McCrory and republicans thought they needed a way to rally the Christo fascists to the polls (turns out they may not have even needed it.) and this was it. If you are on McCrory's mailing list you know how many times he whined about "radical leftist out of state organizations trying to bury me!!" As a fund raising ploy? They just didn't anticipate the business and entertainment communities reaction being as harsh as they were.

12/23/2016 7:47:29 AM

same story with amendment 1, needed to drive the idiot christians to the polls

12/23/2016 8:11:50 AM

Lulz at aaronburro being for HB2 but against anti pedophilia laws...priorities!

12/23/2016 8:27:55 AM

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"It was always just a ploy to get Cooper elected and McCrory ousted"

If you really think this than you'll need to proclaim that McCrory and the NCGOP are possibly the dumbest politicians in history by falling for such a simple and obvious ploy that even the most obtuse message board poster figured it out and have no business running a any kind of government

[Edited on December 23, 2016 at 9:04 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/23/2016 9:04:10 AM

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"Consider the evidence that it was the NCleg that was acting politically They already had HB2 written before Charlotte passed its ordinance. They met in a special session and pushed the bill through the legislature (partisan votes) and McCrory signed it all in less than 48 hrs"

I wouldn't put it past them. The point still stands that Charlotte Dems had a chance to repeal the ordinance much earlier in the year, yet didn't. Now, for some odd reason, it's OK to remove it. I wouldn't put too much on them having the legislation ready beforehand, though. Charlotte had tried and failed to pass the exact same ordinance the year before and it got shot down. Then the Human Rights Campaign bankrolled campaigns (primary and general) for Charlotte City Council for candidates who supported the bathroom provisions specifically. The writing was on the wall that this ordinance was coming.

^ What evidence do we have that McCrory and the NCGOP aren't the dumbest politicians in history, lol. My take is that McCrory had ambitions for national office (lol) that would have been torpedoed if he went against the state GOP. Meanwhile, the NCGOP is, well, the NCGOP. The NCGOP wanted to push the issue, McCrory might not have wanted to, but if he wanted any support going nationally, then he had to play along. How'd that work out for ya, Pat?

12/23/2016 10:42:03 AM

so in your scenario, the part of the Big Bad is being played by the Human Rights Campaign?

12/23/2016 10:49:07 AM

Ummm, no? I'm pointing out that anyone with half a brain (and I'm being generous to the NCGOP) could see that the ordinance was going to be passed shortly into the new year. The HRC bankrolled city council campaigns specifically for the issue (OMFG BIG MONEY IN ELECTIONS!!!! wait, no one's bitching about that, hmmm. guess only the Popes aren't allowed to spend money to influence elections in NC), the composition of the votes flipped as a result (they ended up ousting Dems who had voted against it), and I think the newly elected mayor even campaigned on it. The ordinance was obviously coming. Even a dolt like me could see it coming.

12/23/2016 10:55:40 AM

HRC financing people friendly to their cause (btw i'm curious to see where they financed them for this issue) is not the same as the city council passing this ordinance so yadda yadda yadda cooper is elected

12/23/2016 11:01:18 AM

I, too would love to see this alleged bankrolling for a city council election

12/23/2016 11:03:10 AM

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"The point still stands that Charlotte Dems had a chance to repeal the ordinance much earlier in the year, yet didn't."

Why would they have repealed their ordnance? It was only over the past couple weeks that Cooper allegedly brokered a deal between Charlotte and the NCGA for mutual full repeal, which the NCGOP then reneged on by trying to force through their moratorium.

Seriously man, are you 5?

12/23/2016 11:09:05 AM

its worth pointing out that even the version of the bill with the open ended moratorium (which basically would have meant an indefinite HB2) still didn't even have much republican support, so it's still minus credibility points

[Edited on December 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM. Reason : minus]

12/23/2016 11:11:09 AM

^^ Because the exact deal that Cooper supposedly brokered was offered much earlier in the year. Why not take it then? Oh, right, because they needed to fuck NC a little harder in order to cement a victory for Cooper.

^^^
http://clclt.com/theclog/archives/2015/08/26/lgbt-groups-back-council-candidates-say-they-will-turn-out-critical-mass
http://www.mattcomer.net/1131/five-facts-how-did-lgbt-groups-choose-their-charlotte-candidates/
http://www.hrc.org/blog/hrc-ramps-up-efforts-in-charlotte-endorses-candidates-in-city-council-race

[Edited on December 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ]

12/23/2016 1:08:22 PM

Quote :

"I, too would love to see this alleged bankrolling for a city council election "

12/23/2016 1:09:50 PM

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"Because the exact deal that Cooper supposedly brokered was offered much earlier in the year."

Sources? Or did you read that from one of your important Facebook friends?

I remember reading anecdotes that either side could be open to repeal if the other side did the same, but so far as saw reported Cooper was the only one that crossed the aisle to broker the deal.

12/23/2016 1:19:54 PM

Here ya go aaronburro:

Go back and look at the language GOP leadership was using in regards to HB2 deals, totally ambiguous. I bet they never had the votes to repeal it ever.

http://www.twcnews.com/nc/charlotte/politics/2016/09/28/capital-tonight-interview--house-speaker-tim-moore.html

Speaker Tim Moore back in September

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" There were some conversations with the folks in Charlotte and there was substantial support in the House Caucus to look at a reset where essentially Charlotte would back off this ordinance. You know Charlotte started all this by adopting this ordinance, where Charlotte would back off that ordinance, and then the General Assembly would take a look at where House Bill 2 is and get rid of most of those provisions and just make sure that we kept in the bathroom piece and the other things and just put a reset and have more of a dialogue on this when we come back into session."

Sounds like a dude that's really ready to start making deals. The GOP was never interested in repeal, only trapping Charlotte and then being able to declare victory.

12/23/2016 5:34:41 PM

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"^^^ http://clclt.com/theclog/archives/2015/08/26/lgbt-groups-back-council-candidates-say-they-will-turn-out-critical-mass http://www.mattcomer.net/1131/five-facts-how-did-lgbt-groups-choose-their-charlotte-candidates/ http://www.hrc.org/blog/hrc-ramps-up-efforts-in-charlotte-endorses-candidates-in-city-council-race"

so nothing at all to do with electing cooper

are you surprised that HRC and LGBT groups are active in local election in a state that recently passed an amendment against marriage equality?

12/23/2016 5:38:06 PM

just now remembering that aaronburro is the "but they're CHANGING the definition of WORDS" dude

12/23/2016 7:07:05 PM

I'd like to say he's "The Worst"...but in reality he's only like the 3rd worst, and that with his pro-child porn arguments accounted for.

12/23/2016 11:13:41 PM

^^^ reading comprehension is not your forte, is it
^ how do my nuts taste today?

[Edited on January 1, 2017 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on January 1, 2017 at 5:31 PM. Reason : missed a ^]

1/1/2017 5:12:29 PM

what?

1/1/2017 5:19:16 PM

missed a ^

1/1/2017 5:31:54 PM

Obviously has no chance in a courtroom but I fear that our legislature is awful enough to actually try and pass this...

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article128185274.html

1/24/2017 3:44:46 PM

^seriously, totally indefensible

1/24/2017 6:18:10 PM

oi...

1/24/2017 8:44:44 PM

^^^ Why is it obvious that legislation has no chance in a courtroom?

1/25/2017 10:04:47 AM

Man, look at all those poor snowflakes. Need protection from being mildly harassed.

1/25/2017 10:32:28 AM

^^because we still have the 1st amendment?...........for now.

1/25/2017 10:50:30 AM

Ill advised bill maybe, but the acts the bill intends to prohibit would not appear to be protected by the 1st Amendment. Just interested in why ncsusoccer06 thinks it is so obvious or if that was just a phrase.

1/25/2017 11:13:27 AM

As stated above it would absolutely infringe upon the 1st Amendment with the cited example.

I understand they will of course attempt to phrase to an towards some degree of "feeling physically intimidated" or "fear for you safety" to intentionally mislead in an effort to pass it - but at it's core it is absolutely an attempt to quell lawful protest.

1/25/2017 11:41:22 AM

bill to remove concealed carry permits

2/10/2017 11:26:20 AM

like, to not allow them, or to not require them to carry?

[Edited on February 10, 2017 at 11:39 AM. Reason : considering the thread i guess it has to be the latter]

2/10/2017 11:39:15 AM

^to eliminate the requirement to have a CCH to concealed carry. Would still need some type of permit to purchase and for reciprocity.

As a support of the 2A, I am opposed to this bill. It's dangerous.

2/10/2017 12:10:42 PM

i don't carry often, but i would probably do it even less if a permit was not required

i'm not too worried about getting pulled over or interacting with police while carrying concealed because i have a card to show them

2/10/2017 12:35:52 PM

Does the NC GOP really have any credibility left? Since moving to Oregon, NC is consistently the southern state to make the news for some backwards crap going down giving most here don't recognize the difference between SC and NC, the whole confederate flag thing makes it even more of a joke.

2/10/2017 3:38:50 PM

several other states have already done it. no big deal.

2/10/2017 5:04:27 PM

Quote :

"no big deal"

2/11/2017 12:11:50 PM

It's a bad enough idea that I don't think even the ncgop will advance it

2/11/2017 1:12:41 PM

http://www.charlottestories.com/nc-teachers-income-rising-faster-state-america/

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"The National Education Association data shows that North Carolina has moved up six spots in the rankings of average teacher salaries since the 2013-2014 school year (from 47th to 41st), the single-biggest improvement of any state in the country. North Carolina has also seen the largest average gains in teacher pay in the country over that same time period, according to the data."

As a reminder, from 2002 to 2013, under the leadership of Easley & Perdue NC teacher pay dropped dramatically, from 19th in the nation, way down to 47th.

2/20/2017 9:59:14 AM

Blaming Easley or Perdue for this


When I took a teaching position in 2007, 10-year teachers were making $38,710. Now that I'm a 10-year teacher, I'm making $40,250. These "raises" don't even qualify as cost of living adjustments.

The GOP lowered the schedule during a pay freeze but it didn't matter because pay was frozen. Now they're giving us "raises" based on the new, lower schedule.

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2007-08schedules.pdf

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2016-17schedules.pdf




[Edited on February 20, 2017 at 7:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/20/2017 7:50:54 PM

Ouch

2/20/2017 9:11:52 PM

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/HTML/H147v0.html

fuckin' secession

2/21/2017 12:51:36 PM

To be fair it does look like they want to make it part of a citizen voting initiative.

2/21/2017 12:57:10 PM

They are currently passing a law that requires physicians to inform women that they can "reverse" an abortion if they change their mind.

2/25/2017 11:18:02 AM