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[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 8:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2011 8:37:41 PM

still credible

1/30/2011 8:39:38 PM

right you can include powell, brackman, simmons, costner, and hickson as well. Sure, they all had valid reasons for leaving. But whats the common denominator? People tend to flee NC State and they tend to return to UNC.

Part of that is we know UNC's athletic program is pretty shady and provides special benefits that are outside the rules.

Part of it I think its fair to say is our athletics program is inferior and our fanbase creates an atmosphere of hostility.

1/30/2011 8:44:01 PM

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"The list of Big Four transfers in the 2000s (with the year of their freshmen class in parenthesis): Wake Forest (9): F Dshamal Schoetz (2000), G Jeremy Ingram (2003), F Todd Hendley (2003), G Shamaine Dukes (2005), F Kevin Swinton (2005), F Casey Crawford (2006), G Anthony Gurley (2006), F Jamie Skeen (2006), G Konner Tucker (2009) N.C. State (7): F Mike Bell (2000), G Trey Guidry (2000), F Adam Simons (2002), G Dom Mejia (2002), G Justin Flatt (2002), G Mike O'Donnell (2003), G Julius Mays (2008) Duke (7): F Andre Sweet (2000), F Mike Thompson (2002), F Eric Boateng (2005), F Jamal Boykin (2005), F Taylor King (2007), F Olek Czyz (2008), G Elliot Williams (2008) UNC (6): G Adam Boone (2000), F Neil Fingleton (2000), G Brian Morrison (2000), F Alex Stepheson (2006), F Travis Wear (2009), F David Wear (2009)"

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/06/470228/big-four-basketball-transfers.html

but please, post some more fallacies

1/30/2011 9:11:06 PM

That list doesn't include Davis, Thomas or Johnson

1/30/2011 9:13:27 PM

^^No Johnny Thomas or Josh Davis?

[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM. Reason : nevermind...got beat to it]

1/30/2011 9:13:50 PM

LOL, good old Mike Bell.

he should've just been a part of a package deal with Wilcox.... only Wilcox didn't qualify for us and went to Maryland.

so, we were stuck with Bell, who then transfered to some shitty Atlantic Sun school. godalmighty.

our admissions requirements suck baws. same thing that scared Calipari away.

1/30/2011 9:16:04 PM

It was published before Davis and Thomas transferred, don't know why Johnson isn't on it, but the point is more that there isn't some huge discrepancy in the number of transfers between the big 4 schools.

1/30/2011 9:18:09 PM

I don't know wtf rally is talking about

But ten transfers is a lot more than six transfers

1/30/2011 9:20:52 PM

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"F Adam Simons (2002)"

LOL. Addition by subtraction.

1/30/2011 9:23:27 PM

^^^And it's not like we've had a cast of all-stars transfer either. A lot of those guys were just in over their head.

[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 9:27 PM. Reason : more ^s]

And whatever happened to Bartosz Lewandowski? I guess he didn't transfer...he just quit?

[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2011 9:26:38 PM

Other than Marshall Williams/Damien Wilkins, that is a list of guys who never should have been on scholarship at an ACC (or really any) major conference program. Johnny Thomas is an exception due to his freak knee problem, and Julius Mays was a function of us having no point guard on the roster. The Damien Wilkins situation was unique in that a talented player was bringing down the program with his meddling dad and uncle, and he transferred after wanting to return after testing the NBA waters but Herb wouldn't give him his scholarship back.

1/30/2011 9:51:24 PM

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"LOL, good old Mike Bell. he should've just been a part of a package deal with Wilcox.... only Wilcox didn't qualify for us and went to Maryland. so, we were stuck with Bell, who then transfered to some shitty Atlantic Sun school. godalmighty. "

Don't think that's right.

We took Bell over Wilcox...Bell was considered a slam dunk recruit by many. (I believe Bell was top 10 at his position). Don't think Wilcox had a qualification problem...we just didn't want him as much as Bell... I don't think Wicox was as highly recruited

Actually, we had Steve Blake in our back pocked too, but I think we took Cliff Crawford over him instead.

Gary made a living off of Herb. Same goes with John Gilchrist

EDIT: Just looked it up, and it looks like both were top 100 players....with Wilcox in the top 25 and bell in the top 75. I certainly don't remember Wilcox being that high, so I'll retract my statement. I do know that Bell was no slouch and we didn't get "stuck" with him....he was very highly touted. Bell might have just been a better fit for Herb becuase he supposedly had good range for a high school forward? All I know is that from everything I've been told about that recruitment was that we didn't want Wilcox.... or at least that we didn't want him as much. Really...wtf would Herb have done with Wilcox?

[Edited on January 30, 2011 at 10:30 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2011 10:16:07 PM

you guys clearly know jackshit.

Not only was Mike Bell sick when he played as a sophomore (anticlimatic but herb refused to play him)


but he was player of the year his senior year in college basketball.



Thats okay, we WANTED him to transfer before he became a superstar, thats what we wanted.

1/30/2011 11:03:34 PM

Shut-up rally.

Bell was never able to put on weight and he had pretty bad knee problems. When he finally got healthy he was an extreme liability on defense out on the court...and when he got in all he wanted to do was jack 3's.

A good friend of mine was his AAU coach in high school and personal trainer/basketball coach during his college years. After transferring he was finally able to put on some pounds and he tore it up his final years in college somewhere down in Florida (Atlantic maybe).

I use to watch him work out with my friend and he was sick skill wise (could shoot and handle the ball extremely well for a 6'10" guy)...but he just wasn't ready for major college basketball.

Really wish we could have gotten Wilcox. I think he fluctuated in the top 30 to top 50 in the high school rankings (he MIGHT have been top 25 by one publication, but he didn't sniff the McDAA game). We came in 2nd, but he was always going to go to Maryland. His mom was banging his AAU coach who got a job on Maryland's staff while he was there. Freak athlete.



Just looked at a list of all those names. I don't think any of those were that big of a deal (left for Doherty-hit-me-at-practice type reasons or they wouldn't have made us an ACC title contender) except for maybe Josh Powell leaving early. That one really hurt. Marshall Williams was a solid player, but I don't think he was going to be All-ACC or anything. He also was extremely homesick...I feel like I remember hearing that he had a preggers girlfriend or a sick mom or something along those lines.

Looks like Marshall really let himself go after college...he's a AAU coach back in Wisconsin:



[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 8:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 8:19:27 AM

Recruits never read the internet and aren't influenced by people anonymously talking shit about them on message boards (or facebook)

http://ivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Top-recruit-quits-Facebook-following-living-nig?urn=highschool-313954

1/31/2011 1:05:38 PM

After reading his "last post" you'd hope the NCAA would investigate any school that would actually accept him as a student.

1/31/2011 1:09:17 PM

^^Your schtick is getting old.

1/31/2011 1:13:24 PM

^^^ OH SHIT BALLS BETTER SHUT DOWN THE WOLF WEB AND FACEBOOK OR ELSE WE'LL BE TERRIBLE!

1/31/2011 1:20:49 PM

yeah, that's what i was saying.... dumbass

1/31/2011 1:32:30 PM

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"OH SHIT BALLS BETTER SHUT DOWN THE WOLF WEB AND FACEBOOK OR ELSE WE'LL BE TERRIBLE!"

Considering how much shit we still get over our treatment of Sendek I don't understand why it is so hard for you to admit that extremely vocal asshole fans are a detriment to the program. If we all think Yow is the answer at AD why don't we all just trust her to do her job and just go out of our way to make NCSU look like a good place to play and coach at? It can't hurt.

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/31/2011 1:56:49 PM

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"I don't understand why it is so hard for you to admit that extremely vocal asshole fans are a detriment to the program"

because he is one.

1/31/2011 2:31:36 PM

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"Considering how much shit we still get over our treatment of Sendek I don't understand why it is so hard for you to admit that extremely vocal asshole fans are a detriment to the program. "

Do you think there is any chance that 'extremely vocal asshole fans' had anything to do with us getting rid of Lee Fowler? Do you think us parting ways with Fowler was a detriment to the program?

Can you tell me who you think exactly are the 'extremely vocal asshole fans'? Are you talking about fans on message boards? Fans at the game?

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 2:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 2:48:43 PM

you really are a piece of work man

do you really think that incessant bitching and moaning is what got rid of lee fowler? really?

its like you think you are doing the university a favor by acting like a complete fool

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 2:52 PM. Reason : THANK YOU MILKBONER FOR MAKING A DIFFERENCE]

1/31/2011 2:51:34 PM

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"do you really think that incessant bitching and moaning is what got rid of lee fowler? really"

Yes and yes. Where the hell have you been? And if not then you shouldn't worry that incessant bitching and moaning as you call it has any effect at all on our program.

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 2:53:57 PM

wow dude

wow

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 2:54:17 PM

we ran off a coach who had taken us to 5 straight NCAA tournament appearances

thats what people think of when they think of our basketball program

they probably give Sid credit for hanging around our program with all our shitty fans for as long as he has

1/31/2011 2:56:02 PM

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"its like you think you are doing the university a favor by acting like a complete fool"

Are you serious? I'm really curious to know what it is I've said or done to make you think I am acting like a complete fool. Could you please point me to what I have said to make you imagine this?

1/31/2011 3:01:53 PM

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:05 PM. Reason : how about being suspended at least 3 or 4 times, and continually coming back???]

1/31/2011 3:04:32 PM

Wow. I had no idea how much power I wield over our athletic program.

I am stunned to learn I can single handedly build NC State athletics into a dynasty by making hundreds of excuses for each game we suck it up in or I can act like a complete-fool-extremely-vocal-asshole fan by complaining about our continuous ACC cellar status and I can give our school the death penalty.

come on now

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 3:10:29 PM

yeah, that's what he was saying..... d.a.

1/31/2011 3:12:00 PM

Chancellor Woodson is why we we got rid of Fowler. We had many glaring issues in our athletics and it was pretty obvious a change needed to be made.

1/31/2011 3:14:00 PM

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"I had no idea how much power I wield over our athletic program."

Exactly, none. You just continue to look like a jackass by taking this shit way too far.

I hate this thread, I'm out.


[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM. Reason : \/ go back to packpride dude]

1/31/2011 3:19:25 PM

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""As a leader, you always have to assess whether the people that report to you are in a position to be successful," Woodson said. "Can they lead the organization that they have been charged to lead? And I think it had become clear to both Jim Woodward and me that that had become a difficult environment for Lee Fowler.""

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/06/06/516967/fowlers-exit-linked-to-e-mails.html

Yes Woodson did his assessment and fired Fowler, but you can't say that fans voicing their displeasure wasn't a factor.

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:23 PM. Reason : ^ I don't EVER go to pack pride, dude, sorry that I showed how you are wrong]

1/31/2011 3:19:37 PM

you'd be an allstar there, maybe you should consider it

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:22 PM. Reason : goddammit you are good]

1/31/2011 3:22:12 PM

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"I'm really curious to know what it is I've said or done to make you think I am acting like a complete fool"

You parading around here claiming this is a time to rejoice and be thankful stands out to me

^^good, email your displeasure to Woodson. I'm sure he'll enjoy it as much as the rest of us have

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : ]

1/31/2011 3:22:41 PM

I think I've made my point that having vocal fans isn't necessarily a bad thing either. I think it's a good topic to discuss since the latest argument for why you shouldn't critique Lowe's credibility (in the credibility thread mind you) is essentially because we ran off Herb.

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"you'd be an allstar there, maybe you should consider it"

thank you

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:29 PM. Reason : []

1/31/2011 3:27:33 PM

the next coach that comes in is going to be dumbfounded at how poorly coached and out of shape this team is

1/31/2011 3:37:38 PM

1/31/2011 3:39:01 PM

cool post! 2 pictures of people with basketball iq equal to that of our current coach!

1/31/2011 3:46:12 PM

careful there, nasty_b, you are dangerously close to bringing down the basketball program with that post

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:47 PM. Reason : []

1/31/2011 3:47:39 PM

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"I think I've made my point that having vocal fans isn't necessarily a bad thing either. I think it's a good topic to discuss since the latest argument for why you shouldn't critique Lowe's credibility (in the credibility thread mind you) is essentially because we ran off Herb."

The issue in play here is the sane people in this forum are concerned that our vocal asshole idiot fans will start acting out as they did while Sendek was here. If fans start behaving in that way we will be destroyed by the media yet again and it will severely hamper our abilities to attract a decent coaching candidate (when the time comes). I don't have a problem with logical arguments (there are plenty) in the credibility thread but people making stupid personal attacks in this thread just reflect badly on the university in general. I don't care if you think people don't read this thread (they might they might not). The media seems to love attacking state fans (the Sendek graphic pretty clearly proves that) and I don't think we need to provide fodder of any type.

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/31/2011 3:48:30 PM

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"our vocal asshole idiot fans will start acting out as they did while Sendek was here. If fans start behaving in that way we will be destroyed by the media yet again"

What specific behaviors and acting out are you talking about while Sendek was here (serious question, I really don't remember everything that happened back then, one thing I've heard was his daughter got picked on in school or something??)

And more importantly, are those behaviors and actions currently being carried out by our fanbase towards Sidney Lowe? If not then I'm not sure why we're even discussing? It just comes off looking like an attempt to squelch any criticism of Lowe.

[Edited on January 31, 2011 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2011 3:58:41 PM

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"2 pictures of people with basketball iq equal to that of our current coach!"

really, if you're saying that Sid doesn't know basketball.... then you just might be retarded!

1/31/2011 3:58:51 PM

i must be retarded then

1/31/2011 4:05:23 PM

you do realize that there is a big difference between knowing the game of basketball and being a good coach, right?

1/31/2011 4:06:41 PM

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/montgomery_mark00.html

that's my current vote for the next coach. this will probably change as i scour more teams' coaching rosters.

1/31/2011 4:27:10 PM

my vote is for Thad Matta

or Frank Martin

1/31/2011 4:29:25 PM

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"What specific behaviors and acting out are you talking about while Sendek was here (serious question, I really don't remember everything that happened back then, one thing I've heard was his daughter got picked on in school or something??) And more importantly, are those behaviors and actions currently being carried out by our fanbase towards Sidney Lowe? If not then I'm not sure why we're even discussing? It just comes off looking like an attempt to squelch any criticism of Lowe. "

Booing when he was introduced at home games, creation of websites, fans launching attacks through the media and message boards, and some pretty distasteful things said about him publicly.

So far our actions towards Lowe have been very good. However given the attitudes currently being expressed on message boards I expect that to change shortly and for the media to suddenly become very sympathetic towards Sidney Lowe. Hell you could argue the national media is baiting NCSU fans right now with their Lowe is the best you are going to get articles.

1/31/2011 4:40:21 PM

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"my vote is for Thad Matta"

LOL if you think we could get Thad Matta.

1/31/2011 5:17:01 PM