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6/1/2005 1:24:18 PM

i agree with feeble about flopping straights, you have to play them careful until at least after the turn, and greatgazoo what the fuhk are you talking about, even if the dude plays reckless all the time calling 35$ on top of $3 with j-10 is soooooo stupid, best case scenario is you are a 55-45 dog, i mean all he needs is a fing queen to be a slight favorite, but chances are he has a lot better than that, and btw pocket aces rarely hold up after 5 cards in low-limit with multiple opponents, that's not that bad of a beat if you don't improve, you must not be very good at poker

6/1/2005 1:34:12 PM

To the self-appointed poker know-it-all otherwise known as SNuwPack:

(1) longer reply:

Firstly, there was a lot of information missing in the original post by Mac such as position and stack size. Was Mac's opponent in one of the blinds and so think that Mac's initial raise and all-in were blind stealing? Was Mac short stacked? Hard to tell; the initial raise was $1 and the all-in was $35. Does that represent around half of the initial buy in (fifty small bets of $1)? The post does not mention the stack size of Mac's opponent. Perhaps he judged it a not unreasonable, though risky chance to knock out an opponent who was short stacked?

JTs has a fairly good expected value as I cited; to be sure it is a dog against KK (which the op didn't know Mac held) but even against a large overpair the pot odds were not that bad (essentially 1:1) and JTs offers not unreasonable straight and flush possibilities as well.

I neither stated nor suggested that the opponent's call of Mac's all-in was appropriate (the statistically best) in most, or all cases. I simply pointed out that given some other aspects, such as Mac's table image or position or chip count might have made it a not unreasonable risk. You should have noticed that my post was questioning, not dogmatic.

As to my "bad beat" I did NOT claim it was the bad beat of the century; neither did I assert this as evidence of a poker room plot. Although the preflop was called by several, post flop there was simply myself and my op. Since many players go to the river with strait and/or flush draws in low limit poker, I was not about to fold AA when the board didn't hit them. Two pair was possible, sure, and I didn't throw a fit about it. It was simply my most recent "bummer" hand and so I mentioned it by way of general discourse. I'm sure all of us can recall the nightmare of runner-runner hits on turn and river to sink our great hands.


(2) shorter reply

stfu until you know more.

6/1/2005 4:08:38 PM

long reply: "jt is 1:1 pot odds against overpair" wtf, pot odds were 35 to win 43, hmmmmm study math
regardless of buyin range: $5 - $300, $35 is $35 don't call with j-10
j-10 is a good hand to play cheap and in position, not much more than that
you obviously thought your bad beat was worthy of mentioning, of which i informed you that it wasn't

short reply: let's play cards

and btw i definetly don't claim to be great at poker, and im not a "poker know it all" i just was letting you know you sucked so that you could go get a book or something before you lose any more money, which i actually regret, bc i try to let people like you continue to think they're good, but i guess i messed that one up

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:20 PM. Reason : thanks ]

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:21 PM. Reason : df]

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:25 PM. Reason : can't shut up]

6/1/2005 4:18:38 PM

From Internet Texas Hold'em by Matthew Hilger:

Pot Odds: The relationship between the total amount in the pot to the amount of the current bet.

current bet (from the pov of the caller) 35, pot 43 (includes the $35 all-in and previous bets); ratio of 35:43 = 1:1.23. So, although I rounded to one significant figure, the pot odds are closer to 1:1 than 1:2 or any other typically expressed whole number ratio. As for studying math, I doubt you really wish to pursue that line.

I did not claim, again, that JTs offered better hand odds against the overpair compared with the pot odds of the all-in. I was, rather, pointing out situations that sometimes mitigate against raw mathematics even assuming the caller credited Mac with a hand like KK.

I don't claim to be a poker expert or even particularly good. My inital post was simply interrogative and I explained the constraints under which I felt that the call might have been justified, albeit risky. All I hear in reply is "that's not done" without any analysis or qualification. I didn't go about making judgements of other's poker skills. My only feedback on my own to be honest is that I have increased my initial deposit at pokerroom.com by a factor of 50 since around Christmas. I'm sure, though, that I am not playing the cream de la creme of the poker world. If you didn't think my "bad beat of the day" was worth mentioning then simply ignore it. Why make a sarcastic remark?

As for playing cards, I'd love to. I wonder if there are any regulations about faculty taking student's money?

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ...]

6/1/2005 4:43:57 PM

haha no way you are faculty...exactly pot odds are 1:1 meaning you are NOT in good shape against an overpair, which will win 8:1, let's see, pay 1:1 to win 8:1 hmmmmm tough decision...pot odds making it an even prop would be paying you 8:1 i.e. 35 in pot and about 4.50 or so for you to call, come on man just bc you look up the phrase pot odds doesn't mean you understand it, wow lol that is hilarious you actually thought pot odds of 1:1 were "decent" for j-10 against big pair that is hilarious, no Fing way you are faculty and if you are, i should transfer schools

and you must've meant increased by 50% because no way you got 50 times your money, oh and the sarcastic remark was given bc i felt like it, it's tww biatch

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:49 PM. Reason : gju]

let's play cards then have a math competition

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 4:52 PM. Reason : bc sometimes i can really not shut up]

6/1/2005 4:47:26 PM

TRUE BALLERS SPEND 35 ON THE SMALL BLIND YO

6/1/2005 5:04:02 PM

Heh, well, you are likely to be disabused of your presuppositions regarding the GG. Not that it matters.

Could you cite, please, where you get 8:1 for KK vs JTs pre-flop? For example, KK is 85% (not quite 8:1) to win http://cardgamerules.homestead.com/Poker_Odds.html against an opponent with a random hand. That is not the same as against JTs (which is much stronger than "average" EV = 0.15). If you can find one of those online hand vs. hand calculators, though, I'd be happy to see it.

And I can see that there is no point in attempting to continue this. I've made repeated attempts to qualify the limits of the position - namely might there be conditions when a call (not knowing KK is being held against) could be a reasonable risk; you use a sledgehammer to try to kill a gnat.

PS yes, a factor of 50 (e.g. 50 to 2500). I'm not going to discuss the specific amount, though, on an open forum.

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 5:21 PM. Reason : PS]

6/1/2005 5:18:44 PM

KK vs JTs:

If one of the kings is the same suit as the JT, then the KK's are about 81% to win
Not the same suit, about 80% to win.

If memory serves, AA vs 27o with shared suits, AA is 89%, or about 8 to 1.

6/1/2005 6:32:58 PM

^
Agreed: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem/index.php

KK 79.7% vs. JTs 20.3% so the odds are 4:1. (with the two kings not of the same suit as the JT)
AKo vs JTs is 58.8% to 41.2% about 3:2 odds.

Pretty nifty applet.

I was simply hoping to express that there might be times when the situation suggested that: (1) the all-in was a bluff or a semi-bluff against which a JTs might be a good bet or (2) that even against such a premium hand as KK, the risk-reward value might be justified (as for the case of a large stack knocking off a short stack and thereby eliminating an opponent). Against 99, JTs is about an even split. There are certainly players who, when short stacked or who simply are agressive or on-tilt, might go all-in on 99. A tight or moderate player with a good stack most likely would not.

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 7:14 PM. Reason : ..]

6/1/2005 7:13:53 PM

ok look dude im done arguing, i mean play how you want, but my point is this, yes against 99 j-10 is an even split, but the point is that why are you going to risk that much money hoping you are an even split, more often that not you will be worse, and the few times you are right and you "have caught him" or you "are even money" won't overcome for the amount of times you are "seriuosly fucked in the goat ass" i mean poker is about putting your money in when you have the best of it, and this is simply rarelty the case preflop with j-10 whether your opponent is semi bluffing or not, i mean if your oppent has a lot of cash left than 35 call might be ok, but if its all his cash you have no implied odds left to call on, and even if he's bluffing give him the blinds and wait for a better spot, is my opinion anyway, like i've said i don't have the perfect formula and people have to play how they want, so maybe for you the call can be right in some spots idk, i prob would'n't do it but whatever, don't like to argue on tww

6/1/2005 11:04:47 PM

and btw i realize kk vs jT is not 8-1 i was at work when i wrote that and just posted quick, but it's still no where near 1:1 for long term prospects, this is last i say about this, PROMISE (maybe)

6/1/2005 11:29:14 PM

For the record, sNuwPack won this argument.

If I understand correctly, there's $8 in the pot for a .5/1 NL cash game at the time of the $35 all-in. There's no justifying calling with J10s there GreatGazoo, so just stop. You seem to be incorporating aspects of limit and tournament play into your argument in a desperate attempt to make a point. I'm not even sure what that point is, you're just being agrumentative. Your mathematical assertions have no bearing on this hand(none favorable to your side of the argument anyways), and all you've really proved here is that you don't know anything about NL cash games.


Also, all online poker is rigged.

6/2/2005 5:05:24 AM

^agreed to that last part, i used to try to think it was fair, but i really think they have some complex algorithim that rewards bad players slightly more frequently than normal. I think they do this bc approx half the players online are "bad" therefore if you handicap it ever so slightly, in the long run you are going to have more players around longer, also the presence of bad players keeps good players coming back also so rewarding bad players actually keeps also keeps good and bad player counts high imo....big conspiracy, i mean they might only alter it by about 1-3% but i definetly think they do something, i mean if it was my job to run one of those things and i wasn't regulated i would prob try to think of some sneaky algorthim, that's why im wondering if anyone has found a site where they think the bad beats happen less frequently. anyone? please don't just name a sight you starting playing a little bit ago or that you are rushing on, if anyone has a sufficient amount of hands played on a certain site and they really believe that the site seems more fair than others please let me know, i currently play pp btw

6/2/2005 8:03:23 AM

If you read back about 10 pages, you will see I was having the same problems with Party Poker. I won about $1500-$2000 off of the site, then went totally dry for months, taking bad beat after bad beat. This wasn't just a day, or a week, or a month. This was a few months of consistently being terrified to go all-in pre-flop with AA, and knowing I was going to lose when my AK went up against AQ in a showdown. I have no doubt in my mind that Party Poker is rigged, and not just by the 1-3% that someone mentioned.

Think about it, all you have is a disclaimer located on the website saying they have been verified by the Interactive Gaming Council and that they are liscensed and regulated by the government of Gibralter. Yeah, that sounds pretty nice, but big deal. I mean, Gibralter is thousands of miles away in Europe. The whole island is 12 times the size of a shopping mall. I seriously doubt their government does too much in the way of regulation. Additionally, I'm not sure exactly who the Interactive Gaming Council is and whether or not they are legit, but even if they are 100% on the up and up, it doesn't mean that algorythyms can not be installed and deleted at the click of a button when they are being monitored. I'm sure Party Poker has quite a few high tech supernerds working for them that can do just about anything with a computer.

This might sound like I'm being paranoid, but last year, I had about $1000 wrapped up in a sports betting site, and all of a sudden one day, the site just went away. The email stopped working, the phone numbers were inactive. I had previously cashed out about $1000 from them, so I was playing with house money, but the fact is, you have no control over what goes on in some island out in the middle of the Atlantic. These guys had all the shiny bells and whistles on their site too, claiming how they were accredited, 100% legit, blah blah blah. Well, it didn't matter for shit when they do something shady, because you can't do a thing.

That being said, I have been with Paradise Poker for about 6 months now, and they seem to be on the up and up. I very rarely take crazy bad beats like I did on Party Poker just about every day near the end of my time playing there. If you want to sign up, you can use my screen name (JennyB2004) or if you just want to try it, by all means, don't use my name as a referral. I'm definitely not trying to sucker anyone in here. I think it's a really good site, or else I wouldn't play on it.

6/2/2005 8:49:33 AM

thanks for the info, i def agree with what you said about pp, sorry bout that gamblin site, do you use any other one for sports betting now? i know this is poker, but i've been looking for a credible site to make sports bets on also, anyone have any sites about that also

btw i will look into paradise, and ill use you as a referral if i decide to give it a try

6/2/2005 8:55:23 AM

^^you have to also remember that partypoker is the largest site, so you will have the most fish, and fishes make bad calls which lead to bad beats. the games being rigged is one of least of the worries i have when playing.

6/2/2005 9:05:05 AM

Nah I haven't done any sports betting since. I'd like to get back in the game before football season starts, cause that's where I make my $$. Let me know if you find anything.

6/2/2005 9:11:10 AM

for the record, GG is faculty. I remember a thread in studyhall where someone called him out about being a teacher and he internet-bitch-slapped them...

but yeah, $35 for J-10 suited.... Not a good play unless you are playing with 1k type money and that is just double the bb.

6/2/2005 9:26:23 AM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=264138&page=1

^the thread in question.

welcome to poker Dr. Warren.

6/2/2005 9:28:03 AM

Quote :

"I mean, Gibralter is thousands of miles away in Europe. The whole island is 12 times the size of a shopping mall."

Gibraltar's an island?

6/2/2005 11:13:11 AM

Apparently it's more of a tip of a peninsula.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gi.html

6/2/2005 1:29:07 PM

i love it when the customer service people call you to verify deposits and shit

they sound funny@@@1!1

[Edited on June 2, 2005 at 1:30 PM. Reason : -h]

6/2/2005 1:30:20 PM

durka durka

6/2/2005 1:58:28 PM

I think it was a good pre-flrop lay down, but the outcome really makes me mad ...

100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12725505)
Table Table 12479 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: normstay (550)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 (715)
Seat 3: LRPsoccer15 (785)
Seat 4: kaktus10 (965)
Seat 5: Whizbane (835)
Seat 7: jtv51m (300)
Seat 8: Brilrjet (1675)
Seat 9: Oyler24 (545)
Seat 10: Pimpdawg54 (1630)
Whizbane posts small blind (50)
jtv51m posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 7s, 7d ]
Brilrjet calls (100)
Oyler24 folds.
Pimpdawg54 folds.
normstay folds.
TonJa1380 raises (200) to 200
LRPsoccer15 folds.
kaktus10 folds.
Whizbane calls (150)
jtv51m raises (200) to 300
jtv51m is all-In.
Brilrjet raises (1575) to 1675
Brilrjet is all-In.
TonJa1380 folds.
Whizbane calls (635)
Whizbane is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $1100 with jtv51m
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1070 with Whizbane
Creating Side Pot 2 with $840 with Brilrjet
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, Qs, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1100 | Side Pot 1: 1070 | Side Pot 2: 840
Board: [ 5s Qs Jc 6d 7c ]
normstay balance 550, didn't bet (folded)
TonJa1380 balance 515, lost 200 (folded)
LRPsoccer15 balance 785, didn't bet (folded)
kaktus10 balance 965, didn't bet (folded)
Whizbane balance 1070, bet 835, collected 1070, net +235 [ As Js ] [ a pair of jacks -- As,Qs,Js,Jc,7c ]
jtv51m balance 1100, bet 300, collected 1100, net +800 [ 3h Qc ] [ a pair of queens -- Qc,Qs,Jc,7c,6d ]
Brilrjet balance 840, bet 1675, collected 840, lost -835 [ Ks Ah ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Ks,Qs,Jc,7c ]
Oyler24 balance 545, didn't bet (folded)
Pimpdawg54 balance 1630, didn't bet (folded)

6/2/2005 2:28:08 PM

Dealt to jackleg512 [ Kd ]
Dealt to jackleg512 [ Kh ]
*** FLOP *** : [ 8c 2h Qc ]
jackleg512: Bet ($11.10)
LesssIsMore: Call All-in ($1.95)
*** TURN *** : [ 8c 2h Qc ] [ Tc ]
*** RIVER *** : [ 8c 2h Qc Tc ] [ Td ]
LesssIsMore bet $3.55, collected $7.25, net +$3.70 (showed hand) [ Ac Th ] (three of a kind, tens)

HAHAHAH i wanna fucking choke these people sometime. motherfucker

6/2/2005 2:52:32 PM

reading this thread reminds me why i make thousands off you people every month.

6/2/2005 2:57:18 PM

you dont make it off me sucka

6/2/2005 2:58:37 PM

that maybe true, i dont play below 5/10 or 10/20.

6/2/2005 3:00:16 PM

i dont have that kind of bankroll

at this point, if i play one hand wrong there i would kill all my poker funding

6/2/2005 3:02:36 PM

i've made over 1600 since october just playing $5/$6/$10 tourneys.

6/2/2005 3:04:23 PM

my ROI on those is up to like 280% or something like that

nowhere near good enough considering the time they take sometimes

6/2/2005 3:09:10 PM

roi?

6/2/2005 3:11:41 PM

return on investment

6/2/2005 3:12:40 PM

ahh, if you get on http://www.bodog.com, they have turbo tourneys, where the blinds go up every 5 hands. they take half the time, and people get out a lot faster than normal.

6/2/2005 3:14:19 PM

Quote :

"i dont have that kind of bankroll at this point, if i play one hand wrong there i would kill all my poker funding "

If you are smart about your 'roll funding and management, you can build a huge bankroll fast.

In my case, my roll increased much faster than my abilities. I found myself on a >5k roll, still 4 tabling 25 pot limit (when party was still .25/.50). So i dropped 4k on a sweet TV setup. You should never, ever play at a stake higher than your risk threshold for your given roll. it always seems to end up disasterous, and youll never play your proper game. Once you are crushing a game, move up. deciding when, is much easier if you play limit. I much prefer limit these days, after playing exclusively pot limit for a year and half. If you are full ring averaging >2BB/100 over the course of greater than 30k hands, then you have a confident sample size, and could step up your limits. 6-handed is an entirely different beast, and the 2BB/100 is probably low. 6-handed does however have a much much much higher variance. Hell, over 700 hands two weeks ago i had a > 9BB/100 streak over a course of 700 hands at 5/10 6-max limit. Its the super-aggressive way of the beast. such downswings could be somewhat normal too.

6/2/2005 3:20:36 PM

hahah, i thought you quit pilgram shoes

6/2/2005 3:22:11 PM

its been like 7 months.

plus im back at my job for the summer, where i make it a goal to do nothing before lunch or between 230 and 430 when i get off..

so naturally....


i suck at quiting things.

6/2/2005 3:25:37 PM

Quote :

"Also, all online poker is rigged."

Oh, I definately know what you mean noid. This month my poker winning barely covered my rent, food, and bar tabs. I didn't have enough left over to buy another 17 inch flat panel like last month. Online poker is such a scam.

6/2/2005 9:39:28 PM

I know, right

Poker only paid for my rent, utilities, car payment, health/car insurance, college loans, 20.1" LCD monitor, food, beer, and all other expenses last month. It's fucking rigged, I tell ya!

6/2/2005 10:45:59 PM

this one was rediculous:

Stage #132696692: Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $50 [ 2005-06-02 23:27:18 ]
Seat 1 - CHEBS $1467.50 in chips
Seat 3 - AIREDOC $2322.50 in chips
Seat 4 - ALLINPREFLOP $2020 in chips
Seat 5 - DRMARIO $1440 in chips
Seat 7 - PANGA $2000 in chips
Seat 9 - LARESPUESTA $4250 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 4] ***
DRMARIO - Post small blind $50
PANGA - Post big blind $100
DRMARIO - Pocket [9d,Qc]
LARESPUESTA - Folds
CHEBS - Folds
AIREDOC - Calls $100
ALLINPREFLOP - Folds
DRMARIO - Calls $50
PANGA - Checks
*** FLOP [8c,10c,Js] ***
DRMARIO - Bets $300
PANGA - Folds
AIREDOC - Calls $300
*** TURN [8c,10c,Js,10h] ***
DRMARIO - Bets $300
AIREDOC - Calls $300
*** RIVER [8c,10c,Js,10h,10d] ***
DRMARIO - Checks
AIREDOC - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DRMARIO - Show cards [9d,Qc]
AIREDOC - Show cards [Jh,Kc]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($1500)
Board [8c,10c,Js,10h,10d]
CHEBS - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
AIREDOC - Total ($1500) HI$1500)Full house, tens full of jacks [Jh,Kc - B:10h,B:10d,B:10c,B:Js,P:Jh]
ALLINPREFLOP - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
DRMARIO - HI:Straight, eight to queen [9d,Qc - P:Qc,B:Js,B:10h,P:9d,B:8c]
PANGA - Folded on the FLOP
LARESPUESTA - Folded on the POCKET CARDS

i mean. he has to catch runner runner to beat me and he does. It was quite rediculous

6/2/2005 11:33:58 PM

See, hella rigged!

6/2/2005 11:51:20 PM

Rigged like 3 card monte...

6/2/2005 11:56:53 PM

I've been playing online for the last week ... I'm not a seasoned vet like most of you. Anyhow, I won my first 5+1 sit & go tonight. Nothing really exciting or crazy happened ... but these are the last four hands that made me a winner. YAY!

***** Hand History for Game 2146665536 *****
lepperhore finished in fourth place.
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12764344) - Fri Jun 03 01:21:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 12356 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: cards42bits (1390)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 (3170)
Seat 5: TedArcher (3440)
cards42bits posts small blind (200)
TonJa1380 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 9s, 9d ]
TedArcher raises (1200) to 1200
cards42bits folds.
TonJa1380 raises (2770) to 3170
TonJa1380 is all-In.
TedArcher calls (1970)
Creating Main Pot with $6540 with TonJa1380
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 6d, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6540 |
Board: [ Ac 6d 5d 2h 7s ]
cards42bits balance 1190, lost 200 (folded)
TonJa1380 balance 6540, bet 3170, collected 6540, net +3370 [ 9s 9d ] [ a pair of nines -- Ac,9s,9d,7s,6d ]
TedArcher balance 270, lost 3170 [ Qh Jh ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Qh,Jh,7s,6d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2146668957 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12764344) - Fri Jun 03 01:22:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 12356 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: cards42bits (1190)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 (6540)
Seat 5: TedArcher (270)
TonJa1380 posts small blind (200)
TedArcher posts big blind (270)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 5s, 4h ]
TedArcher: yeah . . . that wasn't too smart on my part
cards42bits folds.
TedArcher: But, the good news: I have a 34
TonJa1380: this is a pathetic call ....
TonJa1380: really?
TonJa1380: ha ...
TonJa1380 calls (70)
Creating Main Pot with $540 with TedArcher
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, Ah, Qh ]
TedArcher: you have to call
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 540 |
Board: [ 7s Ah Qh 3h 2d ]
cards42bits balance 1190, didn't bet (folded)
TonJa1380 balance 6810, bet 270, collected 540, net +270 [ 5s 4h ] [ a straight, ace to five -- Ah,5s,4h,3h,2d ]
TedArcher balance 0, lost 270 [ 4s 3s ] [ a pair of threes -- Ah,Qh,7s,3s,3h ]

***** Hand History for Game 2146671972 *****
TedArcher finished in third place and won $10.
TonJa1380: oh too funny
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12764344) - Fri Jun 03 01:23:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 12356 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: cards42bits (1190)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 (6810)
TonJa1380 posts small blind (200)
cards42bits posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 6d, Tc ]
TedArcher: that's hilarious
TonJa1380: good game man
TonJa1380 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
cards42bits balance 1390, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
TonJa1380 balance 6610, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2146673252 *****
TedArcher: cheers
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12764344) - Fri Jun 03 01:23:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 12356 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: cards42bits (1390)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 (6610)
cards42bits posts small blind (200)
TonJa1380 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ Jc, 7c ]
cards42bits calls (200)
TonJa1380 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 6c, 2s ]
TonJa1380 bets (990)
cards42bits calls (990)
cards42bits is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4d ]
Creating Main Pot with $2780 with cards42bits
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2780 |
Board: [ 7h 6c 2s Ac 4d ]
cards42bits balance 0, lost 1390 [ 6d 9c ] [ a pair of sixes -- Ac,9c,7h,6d,6c ]
TonJa1380 balance 8000, bet 1390, collected 2780, net +1390 [ Jc 7c ] [ a pair of sevens -- Ac,Jc,7c,7h,6c ]

6/3/2005 1:32:07 AM

See Jim, it's not rigged.

Quote :

"I'm sure Party Poker has quite a few high tech supernerds working for them that can do just about anything with a computer."

I doubt it. Those retards can't even get it to work right when the small blind leaves after the end of a hand. If they were supernerds they would have backup servers with raid and shit. None of this freezing would occur like it does.

I switched back to playing omaha on ub. Fun stuff!

[Edited on June 3, 2005 at 2:56 AM. Reason : ]

6/3/2005 2:53:29 AM

hit my first royal flush today

6/3/2005 3:17:51 AM

backup servers have to do with money, not intellect, they don't pay for it bc they don't have to

and i too have won enough to pay rent, it's not that big of a deal, although the tv is impressive, but that doesn't mean they don't manipulate results via algorithyms, im not saying they definetly do, i just recognize the genuine possibility/opportunity for such manipulation to occur.

6/3/2005 9:01:13 AM

I'll never get tired of betting big whilst playing the board when I think my opponent has a draw. The scary thing about this hand is, my opponent probably had a flush draw, which was obviously better than mine. So I was very possibly pumping up the pot for a draw I didn't want to hit.

Game #850415391 - (blinds $0.25/$0.50) No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2005/06/03-07:22:54.0 (CST)
Table "Pico (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: JennyB2004 ($55.25 in chips)
Seat 2: ITHP05 ($20.25 in chips)
Seat 3: kris7 ($35.75 in chips)
Seat 4: magicican ($121.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Flintw ($14.75 in chips)
Flintw : Post Small Blind ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 2d ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 5d ]
ITHP05 : Fold
kris7 : Call ($0.50)
magicican: Call ($0.50)
Flintw : Call ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Tc 7d Qd ]
Flintw : Check
JennyB2004: Bet ($2.50)
kris7 : Call ($2.50)
magicican: Call ($2.50)
Flintw : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Tc 7d Qd ] [ 8h ]
JennyB2004: Bet ($6.50)
kris7 : Call ($6.50)
magicican: Fold
*** RIVER *** : [ Tc 7d Qd 8h ] [ 6c ]
JennyB2004: Bet ($8)
kris7 : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $21.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Tc 7d Qd 8h 6c ]
JennyB2004 bet $17.50, collected $29.50, net +$12 (showed hand) [ 2d 5d ]
(high card queen)
ITHP05 didn't bet (folded)
kris7 lost $9.50 (folded)
magicican lost $3 (folded)
Flintw lost $0.50 (folded)

6/3/2005 9:35:33 AM

Why would you bet the flop when you were practically utg?

6/3/2005 12:39:53 PM

Because David.

I like to get information from people. I had been sitting there for a while, and I knew their pattern. Bet/raise with top pair, call if on a draw. If I bet and they call, that tells me the guy is drawing, which he had consistently done for the past half hour. I'm surprised you of all people would question this.

6/3/2005 12:50:03 PM