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"some big words being thrown around on pp premium board. i wouldn't dare post it over here though!"

Noel Johnson?

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8/11/2008 1:11:55 PM

simonn, you bastard.

hints are allowed.

8/11/2008 1:23:07 PM

looks like there is quite a bit of John Wall chatter, any conformation?

8/11/2008 1:27:21 PM

There isn't really anything to confirm. He hasn't committed to Baylor as he was expected to, but that doesn't mean he won't.

8/11/2008 1:33:25 PM

nothing of substance on john wall, just a lot of sour grapes.

noel johnson is who james is talking about lately.

8/11/2008 1:37:20 PM

noel johnson plays on the same AAU team as favors.

would a wood/brown/howell/johnson/favors class make everyone happy?

8/11/2008 3:06:34 PM

^NO lol

8/11/2008 3:15:38 PM

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"wood/brown/howell/johnson/favors class"

good lord...talk about a georgia pipeline...that would be absolutely nasty

of course, there's already talk on GA forums accusing lowe of dirty tactics, so you know bringing home two more jewels in their state would cause a fucking meltdown

8/11/2008 3:21:54 PM

meh, all three people who post there can melt down all they want.

8/11/2008 3:23:38 PM

So have we offered Noel Johnson, or is this more like we may get a commit from him talk?

8/11/2008 3:27:18 PM

I don't think we have officially offered, I could have missed it though.

8/11/2008 3:29:26 PM

those people on gavsv are insane. The ones posting the junk about our coaches are supposed to be fairly credible. The problem is, they havent said one thing that can be proven, or that would point a finger towards us besides "someone got paid....wwo is getting rich off nc state....someone got paid....i'm a lunatic" BS.

fuck those guys.

8/11/2008 3:31:43 PM

^ link?

8/11/2008 3:33:09 PM

So would we want him? If we took him, how many more schollys do you guys think we'd have for this class?

Just looking at his info, I'd say I'd be fucking ecstatic to have him if we could get him.

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8/11/2008 3:35:16 PM

^^^ plenty of aau coaches get paid via loopholes. billy donovan exploits this in a huge way, as well as a lot of other coaches. i don't doubt for one second that our coaches are doing this, and why not? if it's technically legal, then go crazy, b/c every program you're recruiting against probably is.

attn: naive purists - i'm just calling it like i see it. i love this school, i assure you.

8/11/2008 3:37:01 PM

maybe just top jew got the link

you're right



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8/11/2008 3:45:03 PM

^ sigh don't do that.

the last thing we need is a bunch of people from tdub who know absolutely nothing about our recruiting going on there and calling people idiots.

8/11/2008 3:51:19 PM

http://www.gavsv.com ...justgo read the AAAAA basketball forums regarding our players

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Simon, I read the article. I don't believe we're paying for recruits. I don't think its out of the realm of posibilities that JJ could be helping out his former coaches right now that he has some cash. Nothing illegal about that. Either way, there are more legit ways that those coaches could have been compensated (IF they are even being compensated...these are unsubstantiated lies at this point) than illegal ways, and the legal ways make more sense. fucking sour grapes by uga or gt fans

actually...i posted the donovan article in gavsv.


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8/11/2008 4:09:28 PM

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"Either way, there are more legit ways that those coaches could have been compensated (IF they are even being compensated...these are unsubstantiated lies at this point) than illegal ways, and the legal ways make more sense."

that's all i'm saying. there's legal ways to do things, and i would not be surprised if they're utilizing those.

no one (that i've read) is saying they're flat out handing over cash for recruits, they're just saying that money's changing hands.

i don't want to keep going on it b/c as far as this goes, let's just not talk about it. but yeah.

8/11/2008 4:18:29 PM

i read a little bit of the board and it's just a lot of accusations with no evidence. it's pretty much the same slander that any other school getting big recruits receives.

8/11/2008 4:48:21 PM

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"If we took him, how many more schollys do you guys think we'd have for this class?"

From what I understand, we are expected to have a 5 or 6 man class. We've already got 3 with Brown, Wood, and Howell, so that leaves 2-3 spots depending on who we can get.

8/11/2008 5:25:43 PM

ok, i believe understand the 4 man class and possibly the 5 man class, but how on earth can we take 6?

3 - Seniors leave
4 - Seniors + Johnny Thomas
5 - Seniors + JT + Costner
6 - ???
7 - Profit

8/11/2008 5:31:13 PM

I have no idea how it would work, doesn't Larry Harris' kid have a scholly right now? Maybe he can be like Sean May and just have his dad pay his way and still play.

8/11/2008 5:33:18 PM

That doesnt work because Harris's son is one of the seniors. Someone would have to be declared ineligible or would have to leave the team or get an academic scholarship.

8/11/2008 5:46:05 PM

Well then I have no idea how it would work, but it's been said that a 6 man class wasn't out of the question if the right people were coming.

8/11/2008 5:49:06 PM

clearly, you are forgetting the plethora of transfer potentials we have on this squad?

8/11/2008 6:11:03 PM

i think all the people with transfer potential have already transferred once

8/11/2008 6:23:15 PM

haha, less than a week since we offered garrius adams and we're already behind miami, south carolina, va tech, and wake. i guess we'll have to see how is recruitment plays out.

8/11/2008 6:35:52 PM

^^ i'm not talking other d1 schools here mang.

we have some bad players =X

8/11/2008 6:37:35 PM

I could see this being a 5 man class.

BTW on that GA board, they're just spitting venom. Look at how they speak of Lowe and tell me that they aren't biased against him.

8/11/2008 6:45:50 PM

they're just pissed cuz we're stealin their prospects, kinda like how a bunch of people on here were pissed about Baylor hiring Dwon Clifton and potentially stealing John Wall, it's all sour grapes

Also, here's some observations on Noel Johnson's game from the Adidas Nations Tourney:

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"Johnson has good size for a 2-guard. He is an excellent jump-shooter with a quick release and good follow through. He is at his best spotting up in transition and running of screens along the baseline or down screens on the wing. Johnson has good shot preparation as he clears the screen. He is low and squares his body to the rim very quickly. Off the dribble, he likes to shoot his pull-up jumper going right. He also is very good at reading penetration and spotting up behind the arc. Johnson is a good ball-handler and likes to use the right to left crossover. He must do a better job protecting the ball when he is under intense ball pressure. Johnson's a decent offensive rebounder who sneaks in from the perimeter for an occasional put back. In the games I saw, Johnson didn't get a lot of touches and there were not many screens set and to his credit he didn't press or force bad shots. Johnson will be a very productive shooter in college."

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8/11/2008 7:27:55 PM

add another spot on the roster. johnson's transferring. again, trust in Sid and Co when they say it will be a big class.

8/13/2008 7:28:21 AM

i hate it for the guy but that's definitely for the best.

8/13/2008 8:08:25 AM

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=2&c=777642&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnorthcarolinastate.scout.com%2f2%2f777642.html

doesnt add much info, but its a link.

8/13/2008 8:08:58 AM

Not sure where Johnson will end up, and I'm sorry it didn't work out for him here, but he was probably about to see a lot of bench time anyway. I hope he finds some playing time wherever he lands.

8/13/2008 9:29:21 AM

Too bad...kid has to transfer again for the 2nd time.

Unless the NCAA is really good to him (which I doubt) he will only have 1 year at his next school.

8/13/2008 10:01:25 AM

Supposedly he has 3 years to play two, so he should be ok. Something about not technically redshirting here somehow.

8/13/2008 10:07:18 AM

They're saying he's transferring to Georgia State, so he should be able to play right away.

8/13/2008 10:16:47 AM

I thought they were saying that Georgia State was Div I so he WOULD have to sit out, but he would still get two years of playing time in after that. Maybe I read wrong.

8/13/2008 10:32:30 AM

Good luck to him...he just didn't fit here.

8/13/2008 10:50:20 AM

ahh, GSU is DI. So he would have to sit out a year. That has to be rough for him to play only one half of season in three years.l

8/13/2008 11:27:40 AM

you mean like Degand?

8/13/2008 12:42:19 PM

Wall has seemingly not eliminated us from contention, despite what others have said and speculated just b/c his AAU coach was hired by Baylor. He was supposed to stop by for our elite camp, but his mother had to go to the hospital and he couldn't make it. Obviously family comes first. He has said that we are right there with everyone else. He likes that the school is right by the house. It's also well known that his mother likes State the most.

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"Most people want to stay home, and if I do want to stay home, they are the school that I'll probably pick. They are just a school that I like."

Perhaps John seeing his mother go to the hospital has made him think about what it would be like if something were to happen to her and he wasn't able to be with her. Maybe that's one reason why, among wild speculation, he didn't commit to Baylor after they hired Dwon Clifton.

I'm not trying to get anyones hopes up about Wall, I'm just reporting some information on him. We probably won't land him, but it is still possible that Wall would come to State, no matter how small that may be. Besides his family, coaches, and close friends, no one really knows where he's leaning.

8/13/2008 9:31:44 PM

i kind of hope he goes somewhere else. i think the one and done guys are really destructive to programs trying to build up...we aren't exactly a "restock every year" type of program and i think one and done guys hurt even more for programs like state. unc, texas, ucla and schools like that just keep the stream coming in and it still hurts them the year after (although not nearly as much).

8/13/2008 10:00:33 PM

Yeah that's true to an extent, but we'll have Lorenzo and a much more experienced Javi and Julius at our disposal the year after. Not to mention if Ryan Harrow grows a little bit he should be very good and could be a decent back up during his freshman year for the aforementioned guys.

8/13/2008 10:06:44 PM

you're absolutely nuts if you think that having john wall instead of farnold degand for a season will be, in any way, destructive.

8/13/2008 11:46:18 PM

it will be the year after he's our pg durrr

8/13/2008 11:47:29 PM

^^yeah seriously...i want nothing to do with the best player in the country

8/14/2008 12:16:26 AM

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"you're absolutely nuts if you think that having john wall instead of farnold degand for a season will be, in any way, destructive."

I want Wall to come here, don't get me wrong, but in the back of my mind I think it could be a disaster along the lines of OJ Mayo at USC, except 10 times worse because we are NC State and the NCAA will never cut us any breaks. Didn't Dwon Clifton have some kind of relationship with or work for BDA (the agency behind all the Mayo drama at USC) at some point? That scares me even more.

8/14/2008 12:26:42 AM

if a violation is what you're worried about, then stop worrying.

8/14/2008 12:33:03 AM