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""you're too focused on a primary that's over/shitting on Clinton than a ton of Trump lies"

And I will continue to shit on Clinton because she is a terrible person and a terrible politician. So is Trump. They've both lied, a lot. Both have history of stretching the truth regarding charitable donations (Clintons have donated $15 million over 8 years...$14.8 to their own charity, which is widely considered to be a fraudulent, pay-to-play organization). I'm not going to hold my tongue to get Clinton elected.

I'll probably end up voting Johnson to help them get more federal funding, although I'm not a liberatarian. The bigger picture for me is to to improve third party access and the voting process. That will never happen with Clinton, and probably not with Trump.

5/27/2016 9:33:36 AM

I still think the potential for all congress, the executive and the judicial to be conservative should be more than enough to scare most Sanders supporters to Clinton.

The simple fact is even Obama and Bill, for all their right center policies, have made the Court more liberal. Trump literally promised to use the Heritage Foundation as a base for his list of potential appointees. I'm not telling anyone what they need to do but I don't see how people think Clinton would somehow be worse for the progressive agenda than Trump.

5/27/2016 11:20:02 AM

some people tend to habitually miss the forest for the trees

5/27/2016 11:59:39 AM

Your big picture is getting "liberals" in the supreme court and congress. I get it.

My big picture is moving toward a system where corruption isn't rewarded with high offices, party outsiders have a chance to get elected, and people can vote for candidates rather than against candidates (http://www.fairvote.org).

5/27/2016 12:05:27 PM

^ The court is the one area of government that can't be changed for (sometimes) decades. The idea that a thing like the Heritage Foundation can have a huge role in shaping it is honestly terrifying to me.

I'm definitely not one of those people who is going to condemn any Sanders supporter who thinks otherwise, though.

5/27/2016 12:17:24 PM

I have a hard time believing he'll follow through on the Heritage Foundation thing. We'll see.

5/27/2016 12:26:09 PM

Sanders Trump debate (or town hall) will happen before June 7. I hope it's an actual debate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-news-host-network-to-schedule-sanders-trump-debate-event-before-june-7/

5/27/2016 2:08:40 PM

I swore against ever voting for Hillary Clinton back when she suggested that she would obliterate Iran as president in 2008, but she may receive my vote over Donald Trump if it means that Ruth Bader Ginsburg can retire from the Supreme Court with a clear conscience.

5/27/2016 2:33:52 PM

http://humanevents.com/2016/05/26/fantasy-baseball-beltway-style/

I absolutely detest Ann Coulter, but sign me up for a Biden/Warren presidency while Hillary rots in jail plz.

5/27/2016 5:16:43 PM

I'd be pissed if they propped Biden up over Sanders, but I'd vote for him.

5/27/2016 5:39:19 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/27/trump-nixes-proposed-debate-with-sanders.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Sanders trump debate not happening. Not surprised Trump pussed out.

5/27/2016 6:15:18 PM

Lol at anyone who believed Trump would actually debate Sanders. FFS, why would you believe ANYTHING that con man says..

5/27/2016 6:16:12 PM

Haha damn that seems like a bad move for Trump at this point. Looks like a wuss after all his supporters were cheering the idea on.

He's trying to claim no one offered enough to charity when there were $20, $10, $5, and $1 million donations on the table.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 7:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2016 7:42:36 PM

There was no reason for him to do it unless Sanders agreed to spend the whole debate trashing Hillary with him.

It was a lose lose for him, it was stupid to even discuss doing it.

5/27/2016 8:15:59 PM

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"it was stupid to even discuss doing it."

he got to troll hillary and bernie for 2 days. thats something

5/27/2016 10:16:01 PM

^ that

Once again Trump gets a ton of people talking about him while also highlighting how Hillary won't debate Sanders

5/27/2016 10:53:04 PM

Sanders should move forward with a solo televized charity show where he gets to say what he wants and maybe answer questions town-hall style. Then he gets to say both Trump and Clinton were both afraid of him and he's the only one of the three who sticks to his word.

5/29/2016 12:40:38 AM

networks aint fucking with him like that

5/29/2016 12:45:18 AM

Too little too late.

5/29/2016 1:05:04 AM

Shoutout to crying Bernie for demanding the removal of Frank from democratic committees because he's an attack surrogate or some bullshit while he's putting fucking Cornel fucking West on them.

What a shithead sore loser this guy is.

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" And I will continue to shit on Clinton... "

Remember when you Bernie Bros got all pissy because I said shit like this. LOL BUT Y U ANGRY THO

[Edited on May 29, 2016 at 2:45 AM. Reason : The standard is a double standard ]

5/29/2016 2:42:15 AM

He should have been on her about the emails from the beginning. It was foolish not to use an obvious political weakness.

5/29/2016 6:35:33 AM

^yep, would have evened helped hillary cause then in october people would truly be sick of hearing about her damn emails

5/30/2016 12:06:25 PM

Perhaps he knew he wouldn't win, and didn't want to inflict further damage

5/30/2016 1:12:45 PM

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"He should have been on her about the emails from the beginning. It was foolish not to use an obvious political weakness."

missed opportunity to keep it in the news, imho

[Edited on May 31, 2016 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

5/31/2016 9:19:26 AM

Bernie had some nice $1,000 seats last night. Lucky guy.

5/31/2016 11:27:22 AM

^wth, the NBA is owned by billionaires that extort tax payer money to pay for their arenas. he shouldn't want to have anything to do with that

5/31/2016 11:38:16 AM

nah. he wants nice shit for free. makes perfect sense he'd be there.

5/31/2016 11:49:49 AM

I guess Danny Glover and free playoff tickets aren't obscene. hope george clooney takes note.

5/31/2016 5:24:12 PM

wow, these are the saddest arguments to date

5/31/2016 5:34:07 PM

I only keep up with bernie from this crank bernie supporter on my facebook that makes bernie look nuts, but then i saw his interview on Bill Maher, and Bernie did a great job.

[Edited on May 31, 2016 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ]

5/31/2016 5:43:53 PM

CLINTON WINS PUERTO RICO

is the cnn.com banner but bernie winning oregon was two clicks off the main page. just sayin...

6/5/2016 10:30:27 PM

He lost.

Get over it.

6/5/2016 11:43:50 PM

^only the FBI can save him now.

6/6/2016 12:21:46 AM

It's going to look really bad if she loses California, and it's super close right now. Even though she's ahead in the popular vote and is likely to end up with substantially more pledged delegates she won't have enough to clinch the nomination. She's going to need the super delegates she has, so it will be a contested convention.

It's all but over, she'll have get the nomination, but if she has a bad day on Tuesday she could be limping across the finish line. Couple that with the ongoing email investigation and that's a recipe for an extremely weak candidate.

6/6/2016 7:27:53 AM

Cnn also working hard to pound the lie that she inly needs a few dozen more delegates to clinch

6/6/2016 8:02:14 AM

she only needs a few dozen to have a majority of the pledged delegates. which would put bernie in the position of trying to claim a nomination against the will of the people through flipping superdelegates against the 3M vote lead Clinton will have.

so basically, the only hope bernie has to win is to eliminate democracy from the race.

6/6/2016 9:44:23 AM

Funny you would say that

6/6/2016 12:25:13 PM

since you clearly want me to ask why...why?

6/6/2016 12:33:57 PM

because you made fun of us for complaining about superdelegates in bernie states remaining pledged to clinton. superdelegate pledges and the narrative that hillary is on the cusp (as she has been for 5 months now) are all forms of indirect voter suppression. A lot of people are going to stay home tomorrow now that hillary is the "sure nominee"

6/6/2016 4:41:51 PM

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"as she has been for 5 months now"

bullshit

6/6/2016 4:48:35 PM

2 or 3 if we're being serious

6/6/2016 5:03:46 PM

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"because you made fun of us for complaining about superdelegates in bernie states remaining pledged to clinton"

you're goddamn right I make fun of you for it. because even if you redistribute the superdelegates in a way that is directly aligned with the split of the vote in the states, she wins. even if you give all the superdelegates in a state on a winner takes all split, she still wins. even if you do this bullshit coming out of bernie's camp where a superdelegate should only be worth 1/4 of a regular delegate, she still fucking wins. you can get rid of every last superdelegate and SHE. STILL. FUCKING. WINS.

it's hilarious because the ONLY hope bernie has and has had is for superdelegates to IGNORE the will of the people and vote for him. which is what you bernie bros were crying about early in the campaign. that superdelegates could go against the "will of the people" and still vote for hillary even if bernie was the popular vote leader.

it's as if the bernie 'splainers have reached the bullshit excuse singularity

[Edited on June 6, 2016 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ,]

6/6/2016 5:05:56 PM

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"SHE. STILL. FUCKING. WINS."

you can't say this because it denies the fact that the superdelegates influenced the results of the primaries by deciding before anyone voted.

6/6/2016 5:09:00 PM

I thought the Pentaverate decided these things?

6/6/2016 5:20:10 PM

I mean, she's going to win, and it's legit, but that still doesn't eliminate the fact that there are massive, massive problems with the primary/caucus system. The way we the parties do things is absolutely idiotic.

Spreading the primary season across 5 months makes no sense at all and leads to unimportant and non-representative groups of voters having an outsized impact on who ends up being the nominee. There are many, many states that would have been different if they voted today instead of in February. We don't elect the president starting in November and ending in April. There's a campaign of 5 or 6 months and then the people vote.

With the primaries you have people dropping out after a couple of states who might well have done much, much better in states that vote later on but they can't afford to run a campaign of that length or the media creates a narrative about momentum and who is popular now, etc. I mean for fucks sake Rick Santorum was the Republican front runner in 2012 for a while based off of meaningless small states that vote early on in the process.

It's a fucked system, it is rigged in many important ways, and it ought to go away.

All that said, it's what Bernie signed up for when he joined the party and under every single scenario he is done unless he wins a staggering, staggering victory on Tuesday. He's 291 pledged delegates down with 694 total delegates remaining. He's going to need a virtual sweep to pull even and then it would be a fight over super delegates switching sides. As of right now, Clinton has the support of enough pledged delegates and the unbound commitments of enough to super delegates to give her the nomination according to Reuters. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-delegates-idUSKCN0YT00Z

6/6/2016 9:14:56 PM

I honestly thought about voting for Bernie tomorrow in the CA primary, but given how annoying his supporters have been and the fact that it's over anyway, I'm going to vote for Clinton to spite them

6/6/2016 9:19:27 PM

^^nothing that Sanders signed up for says that the delegate is chosen before the convention. people keep donating to Sanders because his message is important and if the Democratic party wants to survive its a message they need to adopt.

6/6/2016 9:48:09 PM

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"2 or 3 if we're being serious"

Bullshit, and you're incapable.

6/6/2016 10:00:20 PM

For fuck's sake

[Edited on June 6, 2016 at 11:56 PM. Reason : way wrong thread.]

6/6/2016 11:55:56 PM

lol cnn going hard with the size 72 font CLINCHED as a last minute effort to supress the vote in california.

6/7/2016 1:07:59 AM