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"Was saying that in jest because so many people say that each side is exactly the same."

gotcha

was worried for a bit

7/27/2016 12:53:42 PM

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""Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets""

A loan is not an asset.

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 1:00 PM. Reason : Hence the confusion. ]

7/27/2016 12:59:37 PM

I cant believe people are actually getting upset about a tongue in cheek remark. Clinton supporters are more upset about the remark than Clintons treasonous activity. Amazing. This is truly a "how to" in brainwashing.

7/27/2016 1:03:37 PM

What an idiot.

The guy has no filter.

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2016 1:18:32 PM

^^ is that a JCE repost?

7/27/2016 1:23:32 PM

It would be an ok joke to make if you're not running for president, lmao

(Impeached)/Pence 2017

7/27/2016 1:28:17 PM

Trump should release his tax returns to the public, and his emails and phone call logs.

The Russian hackers wouldn't even have had access to Clinton's emails anyway, this is just more obfuscation and misdirection-- and it's working.

Media isn't talking about Michelle Obama's speech or Bill Clinton's speech at the convention, they're talking about Trump again.

7/27/2016 1:48:49 PM

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"His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which researchers have concluded was likely the work of two Russian intelligence agencies. "

the two Russian intelligence agencies are likely Reddit and 4chan.

7/27/2016 2:00:01 PM

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"Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially encouraging a foreign power’s cyberspying of a secretary of state’s correspondence. "

how do you encourage someone to go back in time 4-7 years to do something?

7/27/2016 2:12:25 PM

having a thousand classified emails on a server in your closet avoid freedom of information act has got to be worse than making a dumb comment about it. wtf

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 2:22 PM. Reason : f]

7/27/2016 2:20:21 PM

American politics:

Choose your side
Believe and agree with everything they say
Bury your head in the sand
Ignore all criticism
Bash the other side for the same thing your side does
Be too stupid to realize that Clinton and Trump are of the same kind
Become irrational, illogical, and inanse

repeat for 80 years

die

Make no progress at changing the system

7/27/2016 2:24:21 PM

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"Bash the other side for the same thing your side does Be too stupid to realize that Clinton and Trump are of the same kind"

These two points alone are illogical.

7/27/2016 2:27:56 PM

Clinton is not trustworthy. We deserve to see her so called classified emails. She needs to become more transparent to have even her biggest supporters claim she can be trusted again.

Trump specifically and to a lesser degree the policies of the GOP are far more dangerous to our country and to th global geopolitical environment.

These are not mutually exclusive things.

7/27/2016 2:30:37 PM

80 years ago things were exactly the same as they are now

7/27/2016 2:32:13 PM

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"how do you encourage someone to go back in time 4-7 years to do something?"

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"“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras during a press conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”"

7/27/2016 2:44:29 PM

he's not encouraging them to spy on her, he's implying that they already spied on her 4 years ago. Are you worried that the KGB may take Trump's statement as an encouragement to do it again?

7/27/2016 3:30:11 PM

I'm more worried about the condition of Donald Trump's amygdala.

7/27/2016 3:43:21 PM

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"he's implying that they already spied on her 4 years ago"

Except he used the present tense.

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 4:24 PM. Reason : and mentioned rewards if they're able to do so]

7/27/2016 4:23:40 PM

are you insinuating that Hillary still has the deleted emails such that they can still be hacked today? that the FBI has them? Who? His present tense implies that they stole the emails back when she was still secretary of state and the information was relevant to their interests.

7/27/2016 4:46:14 PM

You're assuming that Donald Trump constructs his thoughts before they leave his mouth (or fingertips).

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 4:56 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2016 4:54:41 PM

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"Who?"

7/27/2016 4:55:39 PM

we all know in an attempt to obstruct justice she wiped the servers, not with a cloth, so the comment was to get that story back into the cycle. looks like it worked



[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 5:37 PM. Reason : g]

7/27/2016 5:32:20 PM

the thing about trump is everything he says is a manipulation. we still have no idea what he actually believes or would do.

7/27/2016 5:57:51 PM

Do you consider that to be a good thing or a bad thing?

7/27/2016 6:05:20 PM

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"So this is a bit unclear. Is he getting loans from Russian banks, which if he is blacklisted from all major US banks, could be an understandable move. Or is this saying that he is investing in projects in Russia, expecting a return? Again, there are a lot of companies who have been investing in Russia, as well as Brazil, India, and China. They are called BRIC nations. This is not uncommon."

No, he's taking money from wealthy Russian individuals wanting to invest abroad. The spike in New York real estate over the past decade has largely been due to an influx of Russian and Chinese money. As much as Russians like overly flashy and famous brands I'm sure that buildings with TRUMP written on them in giant gold letters are very attractive.

7/27/2016 6:17:02 PM

it's even more boring than i thought

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uxdbn/im_donald_j_trump_and_im_your_next_president_of/

7/27/2016 8:12:25 PM

Yeah I tried to read it and it was... boring. Clearly someone else writing for Trump too.

Then I clicked around to some other threads and lost faith in humanity again.

7/27/2016 8:14:27 PM

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"Do you consider that to be a good thing or a bad thing?"

Its going to help him to usually achieve his goals. He's a successful guy and this is why he's become wildly popular. My definition of "good and bad" have nothing to do with that. If he was doing the same thing with progressive values, he'd be better than jesus but he's not so I'm not behind him.

7/27/2016 8:37:09 PM

Wildly popular? Oh.

Well that's a wrap. Not responding anymore to the obvious trolling.

7/27/2016 9:09:24 PM

he wasn't the landlside nominee out of like 17 candidates?

he isn't leading +7 in the polls right now?

What world do you live in where people still deny trump's popularity? I know he's historically unpopular but he's a lot more popular than everyone else who has run in this election without being cheated.

[Edited on July 27, 2016 at 9:20 PM. Reason : aka sanders]

7/27/2016 9:20:14 PM

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"Not responding anymore to the obvious trolling."

Except you just did, and probably will again.

[Edited on July 28, 2016 at 1:49 AM. Reason : There's a reason this is called trolling ]

7/28/2016 1:47:14 AM

Can someone tell me the last time a presidential nominee from a major party refused to release their tax returns?

7/28/2016 1:49:04 AM

^maybe he should make a deal that he will release them when hillary releases the speeches that made her and bill $153M from wall street

7/28/2016 7:50:40 AM

false equivalency, but good try.

it's more like he should release his taxes because she released hers. then he should release the contract details from when he paid off cosa nostra to skirt labor and union laws and then demand clinton release the transcripts.


[Edited on July 28, 2016 at 8:54 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2016 8:52:53 AM

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"What world do you live in where people still deny trump's popularity?"

I don't know if "popular" is the word. Well-known, certainly, and name recognition is responsible for some chunk of his support.

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It still amazes me that the anti-Hillary crowd can try to equate her shortcomings with Donald's and still keep a straight face. I get it; she's bad. She's all kind of shitty. She's done dumb and possibly illegal things. But all of these pale in comparison to the things that Donald Trump outright tells us he wants to do.

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"having a thousand classified emails on a server in your closet avoid freedom of information act has got to be worse than making a dumb comment about it"

No! No, it doesn't! It is clearly, obviously, manifestly not worse than hoping that our biggest rivals successfully spied on the Secretary of State and promising that they would be rewarded for publicizing whatever they found!

The worst thing that I see said about Clinton in these threads is that she is corrupt. The worst thing I've seen said about Donald Trump is that he would destroy American democracy and possibly end human civilization. You know what? Given that choice, I can live with the Clintons enriching themselves and sating their need for power for four more years.

What, exactly, was so awful about the first Clinton presidency? OK, Bill was a draft-dodging, skirt-chasing liar. As a human being, he is clearly scum. Scum or not -- whether he used the office to enrich himself or not -- we had eight years of relative peace, economic prosperity, and increased global influence. Nobody with an IQ higher than their shoe size thinks Trump will give us economic prosperity. I think peace can be ruled out. Global influence, maybe, not that this is always a good thing. Stalin was globally influential.

And let's go back, let's get away from the more hyperbolic fears about Trump. The things that he actually says he wants to do are worse than the worst things I've seen Hillary accused of. I'll take corruption and lies in the service of competent government over honesty about one's intentions to launch mass deportations, enact religious-based bans on immigration, support for enemy spies, and suppression of the press, among many, many other atrocities.

7/28/2016 9:52:11 AM

All the democrats & probably some republicans were listening to Joe Biden last night wishing they could vote for him instead.

7/28/2016 10:52:03 AM

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"maybe he should make a deal that he will release them when hillary releases the speeches that made her and bill $153M from wall street"

Honestly, I think main reason he won't release his tax returns is because they would show he's less wealthy than Bill and Hillary Clinton.

7/28/2016 11:24:27 AM

these are the kinds of people who will be running the show and shouting the loudest next year for four years?

https://www.facebook.com/bluenationreview/videos/614787708703108

it is more despicable than i thought

7/28/2016 2:35:12 PM

Donald Trump said:

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"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."

In another thread, eleusis said:

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"By making one bold statement about the missing emails, he trapped Hillary into suggesting that her deleted emails weren't personal in nature and instead were a national security threat. That statement was blasted by simpletons across the internet under the guise of exposing treason, yet instead it was a perfectly valid statement based on our current laws."

If the 30,000 were originally State Deparment emails, how is he not encouraging Russian espionage?

And again, you're assuming that Donald Trump constructs his thoughts before they leave his mouth (or fingertips).

7/28/2016 5:18:35 PM

And if that was his intention he wouldn't have spent all day claiming he was "being sarcastic."

It's ok to admit he has no fucking clue about anything. It's gotten him this far and it may even get him the presidency.

7/28/2016 5:51:58 PM

Let me be clear I think trump is worse than Clinton but the ridiculous fear mongering needs to stop. We get it. Trump is the worst candidate ever but stuff like this

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"destroy American democracy and possibly end human civilization"

is fear-mongering to the extreme. Just because we are bashing hillary doesn't automatically mean we are pro trump. Have you ever stopped to think that both might be lethal options? Here is the thought exercise i like to put liberals through to give them some perspective:

Trump is awful and you know that. You could never accept him as president
Now, imagine trump was the democratic nominee and the republicans had a nominee who trumped trump
The republican nominee is similar to trump but more extreme. He also wants to send 100k troops to syria, libya and afghanistan to defeat isis, takes more conservative economic policies than trump on everything else but has even uglier rhetoric and wants to "protect" children from gays like they do in russia

Do you now all of a sudden flock to vote for trump if he was lesser of the 2 evils? Tell me, each of you, what would you do?

7/28/2016 6:46:02 PM

No, I don't. In that situation everybody votes for Gary Johnson, and we get a few years of harmless libertarian zaniness.

But nobody has actually done much to demonstrate that Hillary Clinton would actually be a bad president. I've seen a lot of people put forward a lot of reasons why they think she's a shitty person, maybe even a criminal. We've had criminal presidents before. Sometimes it turns out alright. It turns out that being a paragon of moral virtue in ones personal and business dealings has very little to do with it.

The worst thing people on the right can reasonably say in terms of a Clinton presidency is that it would extend the Clinton and Obama presidencies. Neither of which, frankly, were all that bad. I think Clinton was actually pretty good. Obama, well, hard to say if the problems started with him or a recalcitrant congress or both, but still the country is doing OK. We could be better, but my rights are still pretty much intact. Other peoples' rights have expanded.

The worst thing people on the left can reasonably say is that Clinton would not be as far to the left as Bernie, and obviously only a minority of people on the left are saying that or they would have voted for the guy in the first fucking place.

All of this as opposed to Donald Trump, who with his own mouth has suggested policies that are widely recognized as threatening catastrophe to the American economy, flying in the face of the Constitution and international law, and just generally being fucking vile. I don't have to exaggerate here. His goal is to do repugnant shit.

It's not "lesser of two evils," it's two very different kinds of evil. Hillary's is personal and, frankly, by the standards of American politicians, not very impressive. Trump's is public and holy fucking shit.

7/28/2016 7:29:50 PM

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"If the 30,000 were originally State Deparment emails, how is he not encouraging Russian espionage? "

Are you fucking obtuse? he's not encouraging Russia to hack into the present secretary of state's emails and steal data, he's talking about emails that were deleted 3 years ago. In order to turn over those emails, Russia would had to steal them over three years ago. Unless you're claiming that Trump is encouraging the Russians to build a time machine, Trump is only highlighting that Hillary's disregard for cybersecurity potentially resulted in foreign governments obtaining mounds of sensitive data. The disclosure of those 30,000 emails could also be extremely damning if they turned out to not be personal in nature.

What do you think is worse - the statement Trump made, or the potential reality that the Russians do have those emails, they are incredibly damning in nature to Hillary, and Russia is sitting on them waiting to use them as leverage against our next POTUS?

7/28/2016 8:16:01 PM

Grumpy sounding like an InsideCarolina poster defending their athletic program

7/28/2016 8:54:47 PM

^^
You're precisely validating my point. How do you suppose that Russia would find the 30,000 emails that are missing? Russia would have needed to have already hacked the State Department or would need to acquire the emails by some other means.

Again, you're assuming that Donald Trump constructs his thoughts before they leave his mouth (or fingertips).

When, in your mind, did Donald Trump become this great nuanced thinker?

7/28/2016 11:33:34 PM

if Russia already hacked the emails, then Trump encouraging them to turn them over isn't encouraging spying - THE SPYING ALREADY HAPPENED. you cannot seriously be this fucking stupid to not grasp this concept.

7/29/2016 12:35:07 AM

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"Grumpy sounding like an InsideCarolina poster defending their athletic program"

Ok, but "their athletic program" = Hillary Clinton here, and by "defending" you mean him saying:

- she's bad.
- She's all kind of shitty.
- She's done dumb and possibly illegal things.
- she is corrupt.

His posts ITT are much more an assault on Trump than a defense of HRC.

[Edited on July 29, 2016 at 1:00 AM. Reason : ^ You guys heard it here first. Russia is done spying on the US. Lock it up. Story over.]

7/29/2016 12:59:30 AM

its common knowledge that all governments spy on each other. hell, we spy on germany.

7/29/2016 1:41:32 AM

His comment still would have been an encouragement of Russian espionage; how else would you expect Russia to find the missing 30,000 emails?

I can't believe we're discussing the minutiae of a Donald Trump comment; the guy didn't even know who Tim Kaine was, days after Hillary Clinton had picked him to be her running mate.

7/29/2016 5:48:33 AM

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"if Russia already hacked the emails, then Trump encouraging them to turn them over isn't encouraging spying"

First of all, yes, he is. He said they would be rewarded by the press. Saying you will be rewarded for having done something definitely qualifies as encouragement. It implies rewards for similar behavior in the future.

Aside from which, telling someone to print somebody else's private correspondence is despicable.

7/29/2016 8:37:37 AM