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dman ncsu 86
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pretty boring last couple of days for me grinding the 22s-110s on FTP for like 2hrs a night

2/15/2011 5:55:36 PM

prep-e
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nice dude

how many different tourneys do you play at once?

2/15/2011 7:25:29 PM

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Full Tilt is trying to turn me into an axe murderer

Full Tilt Poker Game #28243388636: $2,500 KO Guarantee (219373087), Table 5 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:37:43 ET - 2011/02/16
Seat 1: nikedunklowpro (3,385)
Seat 2: imbra91 (7,376)
Seat 3: girlz_got_nutz (1,615)
Seat 4: POLITRICKS (6,629)
Seat 5: gfy2u2 (1,570)
Seat 6: bigfoot6553 (4,975)
Seat 7: timb101 (1,905)
Seat 8: bryangordon1 (1,230)
Seat 9: NV_Bo81 (1,720)
gfy2u2 posts the small blind of 50
bigfoot6553 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Qc Qd]
timb101 folds
bryangordon1 folds
NV_Bo81 calls 100
nikedunklowpro raises to 350
imbra91 folds
girlz_got_nutz calls 350
POLITRICKS folds
gfy2u2 folds
bigfoot6553 folds
NV_Bo81 calls 250
*** FLOP *** [5d 8c 4s]
NV_Bo81 has 15 seconds left to act
NV_Bo81 checks
nikedunklowpro has 15 seconds left to act
nikedunklowpro bets 900
girlz_got_nutz folds
NV_Bo81 calls 900
*** TURN *** [5d 8c 4s] [3c]
NV_Bo81 bets 470, and is all in
nikedunklowpro calls 470
NV_Bo81 shows [Ah 2d]
nikedunklowpro shows [Qc Qd]
*** RIVER *** [5d 8c 4s 3c] [7h]
NV_Bo81 shows a straight, Five high
nikedunklowpro shows a pair of Queens
NV_Bo81 wins the pot (3,940) with a straight, Five high

2/16/2011 1:56:57 AM

David0603
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Crappy call by him but with that little left I'd just push all in on the flop.

2/16/2011 7:46:34 AM

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^yeah I'm not really sure why I didn't just shove, dude probably would've called anyway though

2/16/2011 3:02:00 PM

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I am certain the poker gods hate me.

Full Tilt Poker Game #28257192058: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (219723522), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:46:26 ET - 2011/02/16
Seat 1: dunnowhatiwant (1,755)
Seat 2: sbarba (1,455)
Seat 3: leantros81 (1,695)
Seat 4: heidilein07 (1,365)
Seat 5: nikedunklowpro (1,455)
Seat 6: LuckyNL9 (1,065)
Seat 7: tomib (1,530)
Seat 8: Tadejus (1,680)
Seat 9: DamischaToifi (1,500)
tomib posts the small blind of 15
Tadejus posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Kh Js]
DamischaToifi calls 30
dunnowhatiwant calls 30
sbarba calls 30
leantros81 calls 30
heidilein07 folds
nikedunklowpro calls 30
LuckyNL9 calls 30
tomib folds
Tadejus checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7d 7c]
Tadejus checks
DamischaToifi checks
dunnowhatiwant bets 180
sbarba folds
leantros81 folds
nikedunklowpro calls 180
LuckyNL9 folds
Tadejus folds
DamischaToifi has 15 seconds left to act
DamischaToifi folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 7d 7c] [4h]
dunnowhatiwant checks
nikedunklowpro has 15 seconds left to act
nikedunklowpro bets 225
dunnowhatiwant raises to 540
nikedunklowpro has 15 seconds left to act
nikedunklowpro calls 315
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7d 7c 4h] [2c]
dunnowhatiwant checks
nikedunklowpro checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dunnowhatiwant shows [2s 2h] a full house, Twos full of Sevens
nikedunklowpro mucks
dunnowhatiwant wins the pot (1,665) with a full house, Twos full of Sevens

2/16/2011 3:05:31 PM

prep-e
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I've decided to quit. Poker has been making me really angry lately and it's just not fun anymore. I want to apologize for lashing out at some of you who have criticized my plays in the past, specifically David0603 but I know there have been others. I'm really sorry. I wish you all good luck. Cue the [BYE] pic

2/16/2011 6:44:31 PM

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my point was always you cant expect most people at a $5 sng to play well. You should expect more bad beats, so the things that were happening to you were a product of the stakes you were playing. It's not a diss, its reality

2/16/2011 7:47:20 PM

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Why do people fold preflop after they've already paid big blind? Is it to "show" that they don't bluff? I mean if you've already paid big blind, why not ride it out and see what happens until someone raises and fold then? I don't understand this strategy of folding preflop after betting has gone around the table and no one has raised BB and you've paid BB.

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 3:57 AM. Reason : .]

2/18/2011 3:56:55 AM

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So David, just how did you manage to make money while losing all of it?

2/18/2011 7:13:02 AM

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^^ no, it's just bad play. you have 2-7 and you've already put in, then no reason to stick around to see if 227 comes out.

2/18/2011 9:28:58 AM

David0603
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prep-e: np
shmorri2: It's usually on accident.
chase: I split monthly profits with my backer.

2/18/2011 12:59:53 PM

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Opinions on the pre-flop NL tourney play of UTG (Seat 3) in this scenario


Seat 1 posts SB 1,000
Seat 2 (11,000) posts BB 2,000
Seat 3 (10,000) calls 2,000
Seat 4 (20,000) is all in for 20,000
Seat 5-10 FOLD
Seat 1 FOLD
Seat 2 calls and is all in for 11,000
Seat 3 calls and is all in for 10,000
Seat 4 takes back 9,000

Main Pot 31,000
Side Pot 2,000

Seat 2 9c9s
Seat 3 KdQs
Seat 4 AdKs

......

2/21/2011 12:00:49 PM

David0603
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Seat three should have pushed first.

2/21/2011 12:18:59 PM

KyleAtState
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Agreed.... What about calling the raise and re-raise all-ins?

2/21/2011 12:24:35 PM

David0603
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He still has to call and hope they both have pocket pairs. He's getting over 3-1 on his money and with the two other stacks being short as well, they are going to have a pretty wide range.

2/21/2011 12:28:59 PM

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limping with the blinds that high is almost never correct. He should clearly push allin preflop.

As played folding is probably best because of ICM theory. It's very likely that he's dominated by AQ, AK, QQ, KK, AA and there's almost zero chance he's got high equity in this pot. KQo doesn't play well 3-way in allin preflop. Better off surviving and moving up the payout ladder in this spot.

Calling the allins isnt the worst thing ive ever seen, but limping preflop is pretty terrible.

[Edited on February 21, 2011 at 12:44 PM. Reason : a]

2/21/2011 12:42:39 PM

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Yeah I lost focus there with the limp.

Immaterial to the play I actually hit the K-9 straight on the turn after seat 2 flopped trips.

I wasn't sure how defendable my play was at the time, but I didn't want to get blinded out (the likelihood of which was compounded by my bad limp)

2/21/2011 12:52:36 PM

David0603
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I'd say it was pretty defendable given how little you had left and the fact you were up to pay the blinds next.

2/21/2011 1:05:28 PM

KyleAtState
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Not to beat a dead horse, but what about just folding the hand altogether (prior to limping).

2/21/2011 1:12:18 PM

David0603
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No

2/21/2011 1:24:12 PM

dman ncsu 86
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lol

2/21/2011 7:00:34 PM

dman ncsu 86
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shoving almost ATC is like lol +EV there

2/21/2011 7:01:25 PM

David0603
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Yeah, someone bust out an m calculation. It's been too long...

2/21/2011 8:31:57 PM

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Just curious what you guys think of this laydown:

- 5-handed late in a sit-n-go, blinds are 250/500
- 2x raise to 1000, I call from the BB with KdQc (4-handed)
- flop is 49J (all clubs)
- I bet 2000 (~2/3 of pot), one caller
- TURN - another club, both of us check
- RIVER - I raise 2500, he goes all-in for +8K, I end up folding a Queen-high flush

Analysis - the flop bet was good, the turn check was good, but the river bet was dumb. Should have checked with the intention of calling a reasonable bet, but not all-in.


Seat 1: Reticulatus (7,708)
Seat 3: Alemaogremista (19,094)
Seat 5: SIFI68 (16,361)
Seat 8: Erios (10,678)
Seat 9: wamaga (13,659)
SIFI68 posts the small blind of 250
Erios posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Erios [Qc Kd]
wamaga raises to 1,000
Reticulatus folds
Alemaogremista calls 1,000
SIFI68 folds
Erios calls 500
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c Jc]
Erios has 15 seconds left to act
Erios bets 2,000
wamaga folds
Alemaogremista calls 2,000
*** TURN *** [4c 9c Jc] [2c]
Erios checks
Alemaogremista checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 9c Jc 2c] [3s]
Erios bets 2,500
Alemaogremista has 15 seconds left to act
Alemaogremista raises to 8,750
Erios has 15 seconds left to act
Erios has requested TIME
Erios folds
Uncalled bet of 6,250 returned to Alemaogremista
Alemaogremista mucks
Alemaogremista wins the pot (12,250)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12,250 | Rake 0
Board: [4c 9c Jc 2c 3s]


[Edited on February 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM. Reason : meh]

2/22/2011 3:55:07 PM

shmorri2
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My biggest win ever. I was on edge, but I took the risk and won... SO close to a straight flush...

1M/2M Min/Max
50k/100k Blinds



Seat 1: posts the small blind of 50k
Me: posts the big blind of 100k

DEALT to me
[3d][7d]


Seat 3: calls 100k
Seat 4: raises to 260k
Seat 1: calls 260k
ME: calls 260k
Seat 3: calls 260k

*** FLOP *** [4d Kc 5d]
POT: 1,040,000


Seat 4: Raises to 418,969
Seat 1: Fold
Me: Call to 418,969
Seat 3: Call to 418,969

*** TURN *** [4d Kc 5d] [8d]
POT: 2,296,907


Seat 4: Raises to 214,751
Me: Call to 214,751
Seat 3: Call to 214,751


*** RIVER *** [4d Kc 5d 8d] [Ac]
POT: 2,941,160


Seat 4: Check
Me: Check
Seat 3: Check


I win the pot (2,941,160) with a flush.
Seat 4 had [Ks 6d]
Seat 3 had [Kh Ad]

I suppose I should have raised the pot after the river... i don't know why Seat 3 didn't considering he had top pair. We all probably suspected each other having a flush though. I felt my flush was very weak, but considering the odds, I went with it anyways and I wish I had not hesitated to raise after the river.

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[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 2:53 AM. Reason : .]

2/25/2011 2:50:52 AM

prep-e
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^here's the correct play

DEALT to me
[3d][7d]

Seat 3: calls 100k
Seat 4: raises to 260k
Seat 1: calls 260k
ME: folds
Seat 3: calls 260k

but after seeing the flop you need to get it in asap, flatting there on the flop is kind of meh but flatting the turn there is really fishy no offense, that's an instashove

[Edited on February 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason : /]

2/26/2011 12:37:37 PM

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awesome trip to the casino tonight guys.

so i'm in vicksburg, ms for the night and apparently this whole town's economy is casinos, so i decide to stop in and play for a few hours (dumb right off the bat). the only games going are $1/3, $4/8 and $10/25, so i put my name in for $1/3 and wait about half an hour to get a seat. since i wasn't planning on staying long, i didn't want to put too much money on the table, so i bought in for $200.

the first hand i see, a guy bets $15 preflop, a woman raises to $30 and gets called. the flop comes out 334, the woman bets $60 and gets called. then they check it down and she shows pocket fives, and it's good.

about five hands later i'm on the button w/ 77, five or so limp, i raise to $10 and these same two call. the flop comes out 794. the same woman bets like $50, so i'm thinking maybe she has a set of 9s but after that last hand i can't get away from it, so i call her, and the guy calls behind me. turn is a 3, she goes all in for $150, i go all in for $166 and the guy calls and tables 56s. the woman didn't show. fucking christ, never should have went.

3/4/2011 1:23:10 AM

David0603
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I probably would have raised on the flop.

3/4/2011 10:32:25 AM

prep-e
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yeah you can't worry about a set of 9's, you hit your money flop and need to get it in asap

If your stack size was any bigger I would say raise to $125 on the flop, but you might as well just shove since you only had $180-190.

3/4/2011 11:17:44 AM

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I am going to Vegas April 5th - 9th. Woopty woop. First time!

3/4/2011 11:32:37 AM

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^^^^So the hand you used as a read shows her 3betting 5's, but then you think she's limp/calling w/ 9-9 in your hand? Only question is making it ~$120 or shoving the flop

3/4/2011 12:14:56 PM

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^ no, i said i thought she might have had 99, but wasn't getting off of my set. as in "99?" crossed my mind, but no way was i folding.

it was in both of their ranges to do exactly what they did w/ junk, b/c it was so similar to the hand i already saw, the only difference being me calling in between. i figured they were both on over pairs at best and i'd let them both bet into me.

in hindsight i clearly should've pushed, but ^ is way off, i read that woman totally right. i wanted her to pay me and she would have... had i not run into a straight behind me.

3/4/2011 5:45:55 PM

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Is anyone able to trade cash from AP for some on FT? A close friend of mine is trying to enter a tourney tomorrow on Full Tilt.

3/5/2011 6:52:20 PM

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Courtesy of rallydurham

Federal authorities unsealed an indictment Friday against the founders of the three largest internet poker companies operating in the U.S. The indictment charges eleven defendants, including the founders of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Absolute Poker, with bank fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling offenses, according to Federal authorities in New York. Restraining orders were issued against more than 75 bank accounts used by the poker companies and their payment processors, while five Internet domain names used by the companies to host poker games were seized, federal authorities added in a statement.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/doj-indicts-founders-of-top-us-online-poker-sites-2011-04-15-1358350?link=MW_latest_news

NEW YORK — Authorities in New York City say they've interrupted the illegal flow of billions of dollars. They've unsealed an indictment charging 11 people with bank fraud and illegal gambling in a prosecution of the three largest Internet poker companies.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan said Friday they've issued restraining orders against more than 75 bank accounts used by the poker companies.

They've identified the companies as PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker.

A prosecutor said the companies created an elaborate scheme that included fooling banks and bribing officials at a few to keep money flowing.

The indictment seeks $3 billion in money laundering penalties and forfeiture from the defendants.

Arrests occurred in Las Vegas and Utah.

It was not immediately clear who would represent the defendants in court.

http://online.wsj.com/article/APdc705e2d700b4c0a88c52d878d7af4e7.html

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

4/15/2011 2:46:58 PM

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Meltdown!!b!!!!!!!!!!


Every acccount seized oh man I'd be freaking out if my life savings and source of income was poker right now

Good thing I saw the writing on the wall with the bush law

4/15/2011 3:02:58 PM

moe
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so I'm assuming we can't bring up the client software anymore, right? (at work, can't check myself)

4/15/2011 3:19:22 PM

JLaird
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People have been logged in, but getting a message saying "We're sorry. But due to government regulations you are not allowed to play real money ring games" when trying to join any cash game

I insta withdrew my roll when I first heard, but now I'm thinking that may have been a bad move

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2011 3:37:39 PM

David0603
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Why was that a bad move?

4/15/2011 3:40:44 PM

JLaird
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They're essentially shutting down all the payment processors. I got a confirmation e-mail that it was "processed" but I doubt I'll be seeing that money anytime soon.

4/15/2011 3:45:30 PM

moe
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maybe i'll cash out my ftp points too. i have a shit load of them

4/15/2011 3:46:44 PM

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Yeah the withdrawals are not going to be processed sorry to say.

Look at the bright side. You don't have $600k in your account like turner did. That fucking sucks

4/15/2011 3:58:40 PM

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Karl Denninger sums up my thoughts
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"Last night I saw a bunch of FBI agents storming into major financial institutions and arresting people left and right. It was a glorious thing indeed.

Unfortunately my alarm clock went off and I discovered that I was dreaming - and the real bust was of a handful of online poker sites.
"


At some point, I hope the population rises up and takes back our fucking country from the thugs that currently run it now.

4/15/2011 9:52:34 PM

dman ncsu 86
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All my horses can't send money back to me + I have a substantial amount online. Pretty shitty situation to be in. And I don't even have it bad, several friends of mine have 200k+ online and are shitting their pants right now.

Hope it all works out for the best, if not, i'm pretty stoked to have a real job. I feel really bad for a lot of guys I know who were chillin' with online poker making 100k a year on a HS diploma, they are 100% fucked in the real world now with no skill set to speak of.

4/16/2011 10:12:52 AM

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i dont wanna kick a guy while he's down but ive never understood why people keep so much online.

When i was crushing i used to keep like $2-$3k online. Enough so that I wouldnt have to reload barring a major setback, but not so much that id be destitute when the gov't took the websites over.

C'mon we ALL knew this would happen eventually. It was written in stone after Bush passed the law.

4/17/2011 12:57:46 AM

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hey guys, just stopping in this thread to see how much you guys had frozen by uncle sam?

4/17/2011 2:26:54 AM

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Quote :
"I feel really bad for a lot of guys I know who were chillin' with online poker making 100k a year on a HS diploma, they are 100% fucked in the real world now with no skill set to speak of."


how old are they? i knew plenty of people who made 0k a year on a HS diploma doing dope through their 20s, and now in their mid 30s are doing just fine. its never too late to change your life, or start it for that matter

4/17/2011 2:33:05 AM

dman ncsu 86
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Quote :
"i dont wanna kick a guy while he's down but ive never understood why people keep so much online.

When i was crushing i used to keep like $2-$3k online. Enough so that I wouldnt have to reload barring a major setback, but not so much that id be destitute when the gov't took the websites over.

C'mon we ALL knew this would happen eventually. It was written in stone after Bush passed the law"


If you had 3k online you weren't "crushing", at least not real stakes, generally speaking most mid-high stakes pros have 25-50k minimum online bare minimum. I've played 7-8k schedules in a day before, and upwards of 25k for a week -- and i'm on the lower end of the food chain for sure. It's certainly reasonable and necessary to have 5 figures online for anyone who plays professionally. Oh yeah and we all knew it was going to happen, once the UIEGA went into full effect, which was not April 15th, 2011. This was more of a swift kick in the dick.

Quote :
"how old are they? i knew plenty of people who made 0k a year on a HS diploma doing dope through their 20s, and now in their mid 30s are doing just fine. its never too late to change your life, or start it for that matter"


Yeh most of these guys are 30 and under, so they definitely have time to try out college, start a career etc... Problem is I don't know how many of them are going to do that vs. how many of them are going to be on a flight to Thailand by the end of the month.

4/17/2011 9:47:53 AM

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So what are our options now? I'm obviously not quitting my job and moving to Thailand, but I'd love to keep a 2nd source of income.

4/17/2011 4:19:59 PM

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I'll probably try to find the excuse to play more live MTTs, as hideous as that sounds.

4/17/2011 4:55:15 PM

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