G's up hoes down

10/25/2006 3:43:27 PM

Just curious, Bobby, why you like STX and haven't said a word about WDC. Just figured you might like both since they're both in the hard drive business.

10/25/2006 3:56:17 PM

"so when they raise the interest rate: Stocks down - Bonds up

and when they lower the interest rate: Stocks up - Bonds down

is that close to being correct?


I'd probably tend to agree.


agreed"







uhh, no, interest rates go up, bond prices go down

10/25/2006 6:37:05 PM

Anybody who got on NFLX when I suggested should be really happy after yesterday. +50%

10/25/2006 10:40:26 PM

i don't remember when you suggested it (NFLX)

but i dabbled in it a few months ago...got in at $20.29.

10/25/2006 11:15:27 PM

Quote :

"so when they raise the interest rate: Stocks down - Bonds up and when they lower the interest rate: Stocks up - Bonds down is that close to being correct? "

Oh holy Christ. Is statehockey8 the only sane one among ye?

Bonds move in price INVERSELY to the move in interest rates and here is the simple as day reason why.

Bonds are priced so that they pay the going rate of interest for bonds of their quality. So if interest rates go up, the price of the bond falls so that it is now yielding the higher going rate of interest. Alternatively, if interest rates go down, the bond price goes up, because it is more valuable than newly issued bonds at the going rate, and this forces its yield down to equalize the returns.

Please tell me you were talking about something very specific that goes against this DAY 1 law of finance. Otherwise, none of you have any reason not to be 100% indexed and going about your daily lives.

10/26/2006 7:57:21 AM

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"Trading cost higher? Taxes higher?"

Well, trading costs are higher for a couple of reasons. First, if you short anything that pays a dividend, you get to pay that dividend. The second reason (and also the reason for higher taxes) is that you're probably trading much more frequently. Whereas an intelligent investor may hold a position for a number of years, very few shorters stay de-vested that long. They cover their positions much more frequently than buyers sell. Of course that is in general, though.

10/26/2006 8:00:34 AM

I meant it in terms of the yield.
edit: And to be honest, I don't do bonds, so...

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2006 12:41:40 PM

Quote :

"I meant it in terms of the yield."

Oh thank God. I was really going to be sad for you guys, lol

10/26/2006 12:47:29 PM

Quote :

"Oh holy Christ. Is statehockey8 the only sane one among ye?"

I misread his post originally, but I don't really think about the bond aspect too much since they make up < 10% of my portfolio.

10/26/2006 1:05:09 PM

not good for RHAT

http://tinyurl.com/yh49zf

10/26/2006 2:37:22 PM

hi all, i know its been a while but i got a couple good things to show.
i'm out of college for a year and refuse to work b/c of these, jobs suck to me:

after playing apple a couple times, my last purchase is up 139%
and UARM up 123%. next trade is coming soon...

thank you google and Dow Jones for allowing me to acheive choice in my life

nflx was a good buy when they reported triple profits and dropped $3 to around 17-18. thats where you should of bought it at

10/26/2006 3:59:58 PM

^^ yeah, i had 52 shares of RHAT :-(

10/26/2006 5:30:23 PM

Opinions on Manitowoc (MTW)?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=mtw

10/26/2006 8:14:35 PM

so i think i've asked this before, but where do you guys get market data? I mean I know that yahoo has historical data, but unless i'm missing someting it's not easily put into a spreadsheet.

Any free services that will provide historical data already in spreadsheet format? I mean downloadable, obviously yahoo is a spreadsheet, but you can't copy a single column

10/26/2006 10:14:44 PM

not sure about the spreadsheet thing, but I like morningstar

10/26/2006 10:29:57 PM

^^ Yahoo has a 'Download Spreadsheet' link at the bottom right of its tables.

10/26/2006 10:33:33 PM

i've got to stop day trading

10/27/2006 11:35:26 AM

^^thanks man, I didn't see that. Wow, that's good news.

10/27/2006 1:44:35 PM

Quote :

"any of yall do margin trading?"

yes, but only with stocks that i know are gonna be big.

i did that with google and yahoo. it's gotta be headed for a jump of 50 pts or more though.

as long as you hit big, which is always in doubt, it'll cover any increased fees, etc...

if you are a decent gambler and learn as much as you can, you'll be fine.

(you also have to be comfortable with big swings and the prospect of losing it all).

10/28/2006 3:52:39 PM

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"50 pts or more though"

Are you sure you mean points?

Quote :

"you also have to be comfortable with big swings and the prospect of losing it all)."

You can lose more than all of it without putting in protective stops.

10/28/2006 4:49:21 PM

Last week, I bought 215 shares of UCTT @ 13.15

10/30/2006 10:55:55 AM

Quote :

"Just curious, Bobby, why you like STX and haven't said a word about WDC. Just figured you might like both since they're both in the hard drive business."

Mostly because STX has a stronger foothold in the enterprise/server market. I feel that there's a lot more cash to be made there than in the consumer market.

However, STX has been a dog, and I may get away from it. I think there's still a lot of potential with STX, but there's potential with other stocks as well that seem to have a better chance of near term appreciation.

If I sell, then everyone should hold because that means it will immediately start moving.

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 11:06 AM. Reason : i'll probably keep it at least until the dividend date. ]

10/30/2006 11:05:56 AM

can someone refer a book to read so that I can get a better grasp on how to play the stock market for the short game? Is Crammer's book any good? I would like to be a monthly trader (not day trader).

10/30/2006 12:18:03 PM

If you want to invest well, I'd recommend Benjamin Graham's Intelligent Investor or perhaps Graham and Dodd's Security Analysis.

I don't think that's what you want to do though. You seem to want to be much more active than that and I don't really have any good answers for you.

Anyone read anything Cramer has written (not that I'd go hopping head first into that). He sells a television show, not an investment philosophy, so don't forget that.

Go subscribe to Motley Fool's stuff. They're active and they know what they are doing. Again, they're selling newsletters, but they give you their numbers.

10/30/2006 12:49:28 PM

I second Motley Fool

10/30/2006 12:58:06 PM

Knowing nothing about how you would go about doing it, I'm recommending an investment in Soybean producers.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061030/diet_trans_fat_ban.html?.v=5

10/30/2006 1:00:44 PM

^thx for the advice, but i'm not looking for "Hot stocks to buy", but more of how to rate a company based on information available to be via the internet. I'm starting to think that I should just grab a stock and hang on to it until I have researched more for higher levels of trading. I think i'm gonna go buy some LOW (Lowe's). peace!

10/30/2006 1:07:57 PM

I don't think I was recommending a hot stock to buy but if all of the sudden a trend emerges where fast food companies start switching to soybean oil to replace their transfatty oils, you better beleive the producers of soybean oil are going to be in hog heaven.

10/30/2006 1:13:43 PM

^ agreed

10/30/2006 1:49:06 PM

oh, i see. Sorry about that....i'm just rly dumb in the stock market (lost $250 on RHAT) and feel like i need to get edumakated

10/30/2006 4:53:52 PM

yo can someone please tell me how to buy stocks of soybeans

that shits gonna blow up in a few years

10/30/2006 8:33:35 PM

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061030/lam122.html?.v=37

...good news for TIE, so why the crap does their stock drop 8%?!

10/31/2006 10:06:53 AM

^ i guess its one of those "buy on the hunch sell on the news kind of things" which may have been triggered by a large institutional holder unloading at a relative high

10/31/2006 2:01:16 PM

Quote :

"...good news for TIE, so why the crap does their stock drop 8%?! "

This kind of crap happens on the daily. You don't have to beat analysts anymore, you have to beat whisper numbers. Otherwise, you'll get pounded.

10/31/2006 2:02:36 PM

looks like some big desk unloaded a bunch in the morning:

http://tinyurl.com/yh7vpv

10/31/2006 2:13:02 PM

well, the stock has had a significant run-up: from 22 to 33 in 3 months. A pullback after earnings is more the norm than the exception lately.

Although sales were up 43% to $272M and earnings went up 45% YoY, their earnings did decelerate and I didn't see good explanations (cost of raw materials increased). That may contribute to a drop in price - the perception that things are winding down.

I'm thinking about getting in after today's drop.

10/31/2006 3:13:23 PM

yeah, stuff sold off broadly today because funds and institutions need to take some profits from the month's gains

10/31/2006 3:30:57 PM

Quote :

"That may contribute to a drop in price - the perception that things are winding down. "

hmm, guess you might be right here. I'm not sure tho'.

10/31/2006 9:30:46 PM

oh God no

11/1/2006 12:05:05 AM

holy crap i just made back all my losses on bum stocks via RNAI (recommended on page 1)

11/1/2006 9:56:38 AM

Glad you made back all your losses...I just did the opposite today.

11/1/2006 4:08:46 PM

ok, i dumped seagate.

11/2/2006 10:39:39 AM

How do I figure out how what percentage the market has grown over a certain time period? My portfolio is doing well, but I am not srue how it is doing compared to the market as a whole.

11/2/2006 10:49:15 AM

A simple way is to look at the , and just compute the % change over the time delta.

11/2/2006 10:53:08 AM

do you mean, something like this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GOOG&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=%5EGSPC,%5EIXIC,%5EDJI

11/2/2006 10:55:47 AM

Lets say I want to see how Nasdaq, DJIA, and S&P 500 did from Feb 10 - Sep 23. Where can I go to do this?

11/2/2006 11:01:29 AM

Go get the index price on Feb 10 and then on Sep 23

Calculate a % change

[(Sep 23 - Feb 10)/ Feb 10]*100

finance.yahoo has the historic index prices, in case you didn't see that.

[Edited on November 2, 2006 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2006 11:20:45 AM

I can't edit my original post now, but this is what i meant to have:

A simple way is to look at the historical prices for a given index, and just compute the % change over the time delta

11/2/2006 11:24:46 AM

Thanks. How do I get the same info for nasdaq?

Isn't there some place that will do the calculation for me?

11/2/2006 11:29:40 AM