hahhahaaa, they called her "boyfriends" house...YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER!

12/15/2006 9:44:16 AM

12/15/2006 10:48:21 AM

so whats the deal with the three guys who are accused...they're not still in college are they?

12/15/2006 10:54:01 AM

Quote :

"yes the lack of DNA evidence should discredit her, but what does her getting knocked up have to do with dis/proving whether she was raped or assaulted?"

My guess is because, I don't know about you... but if I'd been raped in the last couple days.. or week, I wouldn't be having sex anytime soon.

12/15/2006 11:02:11 AM

so pregnancy can only result from consensual sex?

12/15/2006 11:12:46 AM

^ so do a paternity test and change the daddy with rape

None of the lacrosse players is a DNA match.

Who is Nifong protecting with the coverup?

12/15/2006 11:18:45 AM

Quote :

"so whats the deal with the three guys who are accused...they're not still in college are they?"

One graduated before charges were filed - he has had to put a Wall Street job offer on hold
The other two are suspended indefinitely pending the outcome of the trial.

Quote :

"so pregnancy can only result from consensual sex?"

She was given the morning after pill when she was at the hospital.

[Edited on December 15, 2006 at 11:23 AM. Reason : [according to the police report]

12/15/2006 11:22:20 AM

but the morning after pill is a huge dose of birth control, wouldnt that make her unpreggerable for some time after? whats the time frame on the alleged rape vs the conception?

12/15/2006 11:24:30 AM

Quote :

"whats the time frame on the alleged rape vs the conception?"

There are several factors - the baby could be a month premature making it a month after the alleged rape or it could be full term placing conception very close to the time of the alleged rape.

Quote :

"wouldnt that make her unpreggerable for some time after?"

I have yet to research it, but I assume she could be preggerable again within roughly a week +/- based on normal menstruation cycles.

12/15/2006 11:29:28 AM

yeah, im becoming curious of the details surrounding these factors...


[Edited on December 15, 2006 at 11:38 AM. Reason : not really that it relates to the case...]

12/15/2006 11:36:09 AM

nifong's love child

12/15/2006 11:42:18 AM

From what I have heard from my source, the rape kit showed several sources (3-5) of DNA - NONE matching the LAX players.

My thoughts (and the most likely defense theory) is that she had sex several times leading up to the event at Duke. Whether these sexual encounters were consensual is up for debate. At the Duke Lacrosse party something happened to make her and the other dancer feel uncomfortable - they left - she decided to accuse the Duke students of rape knowing she would have signs of sexual intercourse if not rape when examined at the hospital. In her mental state (she has diagnosed mental problems) the accusations against the Duke players may have seemed plausible - and after telling her story to the police she either began to believe it or did not want to admit to lying.

The fact that her statements matched the rape kit's sexual intercourse/assault evidence (including DNA) made the grand jury indictment easy. The DNA results weren't back yet - but rape can occur without DNA evidence. Nifong was thinking more about his job security than doing his job - which is why the case has become what it is.

12/15/2006 11:52:56 AM

so how many different parties can the players sue when this is done?

12/15/2006 11:57:55 AM

Quote :

"he has had to put a Wall Street job offer on hold"

I thought they said they weren't hiring him now?

12/15/2006 12:01:54 PM

Quote :

"rom what I have heard from my source, the rape kit showed several sources (3-5) of DNA - NONE matching the LAX players."

... I heard that from my "source" too... wral.com

12/15/2006 12:04:50 PM

ahahahaha your source

That information was discussed on NPR like last week.

12/15/2006 12:12:54 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1107841/

Quote :

"Duke Lacrosse Accuser's Military, Medical Records Sealed Posted: Today at 9:48 a.m. Updated: 12 minutes ago Durham — The judge presiding over the Duke University lacrosse rape case on Friday sealed the military and medical records of the accuser. Judge Osmond Smith ruled in closed-door meeting with prosecutors and defense attorneys that the defense could review the files but that the information wouldn't be made public. The decision was the latest in a series of moves before a packed courtroom. Players Reade Seligmann, 20, Collin Finnerty, 20, and David Evans, 23, and their families, acrosse coach John Danowski, former coach Mike Pressler and scores of Duke students were in attendance. A North Carolina Central University student told police she was beaten and raped by three lacrosse players while performing as a stripper at a March 13 team party. Seligmann, Finnerty and Evans were later indicted on kidnapping and rape charges, but they have denied any wrongdoing. Also Friday, defense attorneys asked Smith to move the trial out of Durham. They said Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has polarized the local community with comments he made during the initial stages of the investigation. Before any arrests were made, Nifong publicly stated that a crime had been committed. Brian Meehan, the director of a private lab that tested DNA samples in the case, testified Friday about the testing procedures and the report the lab delivered to Nifong's office. Defense attorneys maintain that report was incomplete. The defense said the full report showed DNA samples from several men were found on the woman and her underwear, but none of the genetic material matched any of the players. Their motion also said that some of Meehan's own DNA contaminated the sample. Meehan said the lab didn't try to withhold information. He said he and Nifong chose not to release the full report to protect the privacy of lacrosse players who weren't implicated in the case. On Thursday, WRAL confirmed that the accuser is pregnant and was admitted to UNC Hospitals. As of Friday morning, there are conflicting reports as to whether the baby has been delivered or not. Her pregnancy had not been public knowledge until Thursday evening. A defense attorney told WRAL that a test taken at the hospital after the alleged rape showed that she was not pregnant at the time of the party. The attorney also said she was given emergency contraception commonly referred to as the morning-after pill. Defense attorneys also have asked Smith to throw out the photographic lineup in which the accuser identified the defendants. The photo identifications of the Duke players resulted from a "tainted procedure" and were unreliable, a defense motion said. Nifong had directed that the identification procedure use only photos of the white members of the team who were at the party and that police arrange the photos in a PowerPoint presentation for the woman to view, attorneys said. But the woman also identified players who weren't at the party."

12/15/2006 12:13:30 PM

Ok now apprently she didn't give birth but is pregnant due in Feb.

12/15/2006 12:57:26 PM

wow....this is just outta control. I hope that bitch dies.

12/15/2006 5:32:50 PM

i wonder if she feels slutty at all. i'd be interesting to know what really happened. was she drugged? that seems the most likely . . . and then she just pointed out random ppl that were there. and the guys probably are innocent, but because they are falsely accussed won't snitch out the true guys that probably banged her out with a condom.
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i think that's what happened.

12/15/2006 7:14:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dR_hcQ83Y

12/15/2006 9:02:55 PM

I heart Reade Seiligman

12/15/2006 9:14:35 PM

^^thats retarded

12/15/2006 9:47:22 PM

this shit just get worse and worse..

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1107841/

Paternity Test Ordered in Duke Lacrosse Rape Case

Posted: Today at 9:48 a.m.
Updated: Today at 6:08 p.m.
Durham — The judge presiding over the the Duke University lacrosse rape case on Friday approved a paternity test for the three indicted players and the accuser.

WRAL confirmed Thursday that the accuser is pregnant and was admitted to a University of North Carolina hospital. WRAL also reported that she had delivered the baby Thursday night based on information from sources who have been reliable in the past. This time they were incorrect. WRAL has since learned that the accuser is not due to deliver until February.

Defense attorney Joseph Cheshire said a test taken at the hospital after the alleged rape showed that she was not pregnant at the time of the party. The attorney also said she was given emergency contraception, commonly referred to as the morning-after pill.

"It's impossible for any of these young men to have fathered that child because none of them ever touched her," Cheshire said after the court hearing.

Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong didn't oppose the paternity test, saying he has no reason to believe that any of the players is the father of the woman's child.

The paternity issue was the latest in a series of moves before a packed courtroom Friday. Players Reade Seligmann, 20, Collin Finnerty, 20, and David Evans, 23, appeared in court together for the first time and were joined by their families, lacrosse coach John Danowski, former coach Mike Pressler and scores of Duke students.

Cheshire said the players appreciated the show of support. "The joy that was in their hearts and in our hearts was palpable," he said.

The accuser's father also was in the courtroom.

The woman, a North Carolina Central University student, told police she was beaten and raped by three lacrosse players while performing as a stripper at a March 13 team party. Seligmann, Finnerty and Evans were later indicted on kidnapping and rape charges, but they have denied any wrongdoing.

Also Friday, the director of a private lab that tested DNA samples in the case testified about the testing procedures and the report the lab delivered to Nifong's office.

Defense attorneys maintain that report was incomplete. They said the full report showed DNA samples from several men were found on the woman and her underwear, but none of the genetic material matched any of the players. Their motion also said that some of the lab director's own DNA contaminated the sample.

Brian Meehan, director of DNA Security, said his lab didn't try to withhold information. He said he and Nifong agreed not to release the full report to protect the privacy of lacrosse players who weren't implicated in the case. But he acknowledged that the decision violated the lab's policies.

Cheshire criticized the DNA report, saying the partial report denied the players a chance to prove their innocence.

"They decided they would only report what was a match and wouldn't report what wasn't a match," he said. "We are extremely troubled by that."

But Nifong said he and Meehan did nothing wrong by limiting the scope of the report.

"There was no attempt to hide anything the way the report was done. If anything, we were trying to be fair to all the people who were not going to be involved in this case," he said.

Judge Osmond Smith also sealed the military and medical records of the accuser. In closed-door meeting with prosecutors and defense attorneys, Smith ruled that the defense could review the files but that the information wouldn't be made public.

Defense attorneys also asked Smith to move the trial out of Durham. They said Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has polarized the local community with comments he made during the initial stages of the investigation.

Before any arrests were made, Nifong publicly stated that a crime had been committed. Minority groups supporting the accuser later held protest marches in Durham.

"This case, in this community, has torn it apart," defense attorney Jim Cooney said. "It will simply be impossible, if you could find an impartial jury, for that impartial jury to deliberate fairly.

"Everyone -- the accuser, these young men and the community -- are entitled to a verdict we can all have confidence in," Cooney said.

Defense attorneys also asked Smith in a motion filed this week to throw out the photographic lineup in which the accuser identified the defendants. The photo identifications of the Duke players resulted from a "tainted procedure" and were unreliable, a defense motion said.

Nifong had directed that the identification procedure use only photos of the white members of the team who were at the party and that police arrange the photos in a PowerPoint presentation for the woman to view, attorneys said. But the woman also identified players who weren't at the party.

"It's pretty clear the procedure used were flawed," Cheshire said. "There's nothing there. I think this is a false accusation, and I think this whole case ought to go away."

The next pretrial hearing in the case is scheduled for the week of Feb. 5.

12/15/2006 10:50:09 PM

There are a few explanations for what's happened here. I'm not saying they're valid, but they're possible.

1. I don't think this woman acted maliciously. She didn't call the cops herself. They came to her. She got scared and made up a lie to get out of trouble. Never underestimate what a mother will do to keep her child.

2. It's not clear that Nifong acted maliciously. He may have thought intially that a rape did happen and that if he could just keep putting on the pressure, one of those 40 players would crack and tell the "truth." His later behavior is inexcusable.

12/16/2006 1:15:17 AM

It doesn't matter what he "thinks." He should not have acted publicly at all and simply pursued the matter in court. That is the issue here. He made it public simply to garner votes for his reelection.

12/16/2006 1:47:19 AM

^I'm saying his acting publically could reasonably be explained as an attempt to put pressure on the players.

That may not be the case. But it's an alternative explanation to the "garner votes" idea.

12/16/2006 1:50:04 AM

That's the dumbest way to put pressure on someone that I've ever heard. Guilty until proven innocent, I suppose.

12/16/2006 1:54:35 AM

Quote :

"Never underestimate what a mother will do to keep her child."

According to the article post above yours she wasn't pregnant at the time. And how is claiming you were raped a good way to keep your child? They give you emergency contraceptives when you do that, not exactly conducive to keeping a healthy child.

12/16/2006 9:00:00 AM

^I'm talking about the child she already has.

You're dense.

(Not trying to be sassy, but come on, man...)

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 12:12 PM. Reason : sss]

12/16/2006 12:10:18 PM

Michael B Nifong has got to be the unluckiest man in the world - he indicts the ONLY three people in the entire County of Durham that this woman has NOT fucked.

12/16/2006 4:53:22 PM

this does seem to be the case

12/16/2006 5:03:28 PM

^^

12/16/2006 5:25:12 PM

Lab chief: Nifong said don't report all DNA data

12/16/2006 6:50:22 PM

I hoped he's disbarred.

Quote :

"The district attorney did not challenge Meehan's testimony, but he said after court that he did not withhold evidence. He said the defense could have asked for that material all along. North Carolina law requires Nifong to hand over all evidence regardless of whether it has been requested. The sanctions for violating this law could include a dismissal of all charges against the three players."

12/16/2006 7:10:44 PM

Everyone should remember in the future whenever NC politics or law is discussed the rest of the country is going to remember this garbage.

Nifong is a stain on the collective legal reputation of this state.

If the lawyers in NC cannot or will not take action against this man then what hope do we have against outright corruption in our courts. What a sad sad joke.

12/16/2006 11:44:20 PM

Quote :

"Raleigh — The United States Attorney General suggested Sunday that his office might investigate the way District Attorney Mike Nifong has handled the Duke lacrosse rape case. In an interview with Fox News on Sunday, United States Attorney General Alberto Gonzales confirmed he received a letter asking for a federal probe into the investigation, in which an exotic dancer claims three lacrosse players raped her at a March 13 party. "Well, that is a letter that we recently received," Gonzales told Fox News' Brian Wilson. "It's being evaluated at the (Department of Justice). I can't say anything -- anything beyond that." Rep. Walter B. Jones, R-North Carolina, sent Gonzales the letter last week asking for a federal investigation into possible prosecutorial misconduct, and specifically, to determine whether the defendants' civil rights were violated. "I was offended by the way (Nifong) has handled this case," Jones told WRAL last week. "I think he has been out of control." Gonzales said that even though the case is a state and local matter, the federal government could still become involved "if an investigation is conducted in such a way that civil rights laws are violated, that would be something that we might look into," Gonzales said."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1109820/

AWWWWWW HELLLLLLLLL!

12/17/2006 8:22:42 PM

its about time. Nifong should be removed from office and disbarred.

[Edited on December 17, 2006 at 8:25 PM. Reason : g]

12/17/2006 8:24:36 PM

anyone watch SNL this week ?


had a very funny skit about promoting victim groups for people who accutally aren't victims but just lied about it

12/18/2006 11:40:45 AM

i don't know about "hilarious". "moderately funny" at times, perhaps
^ http://youtube.com/watch?v=jQe40ycRQ0s

12/18/2006 11:54:29 AM

who said hilarious ?

12/18/2006 11:55:20 AM

i think he's going for a dismissal of charges based on a legal technicality to cover the fact that he had no real case to begin with...

12/18/2006 12:07:52 PM

Well, I whistled for a cab, and when it came near,
The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror.
If anything I could say that this cab was rare,
But I thought Nah forget it, "Yo holmes to Bel Air."
I pulled up to the house about seven or eight,
and I yelled to the cabby "Yo holmes, smell ya later."
Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there,
To fill my throne as the Prince of Bel Air.

12/18/2006 12:09:44 PM

^????

not getting the reference....

12/18/2006 3:56:56 PM

^ joking right?

12/18/2006 4:04:57 PM

no, not at all

12/18/2006 4:09:29 PM

Quote :

"Dec. 2, 2006 - THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN 2006 [from the Administrator] GREETINGS: We wish all who have come to this site GOD’s blessings and the best for the holiday season. It has been a while since we last wrote you, and indeed a lot has happened regarding the alleged rape case. There are serious questions about evidence; serious questions about the conduct of the Durham District Attorney, the Durham Police Dept. and the conduct of the investigation; and even serious questions about the alleged victim herself. All of the above matters can be, and will be settled in a court of law in the proper fashion, and as we first said when this community-based website was launched back on Mother’s Day seven months ago, a judge and/or jury will determine exactly what the truth is in this case. There is no other way! In the meantime, there has been unquestionable pain and turmoil on all sides of this controversy. We have no ill-will towards the families of the three defendants because they’re doing what’s natural. And we certainly have no ill-will towards the family of the accuser, especially her parents. Seeing and hearing things about their daughter has hurt them enormously, and the uncertainty of the future weighs heavily in their hearts. We pray that the pain that looms heavy in the hearts of all the families involved is somewhat lifted during this holiday season. Make no mistake, this case is contentious and divisive. Those in the African-American community believe the only sure way to get to the truth is to go to trial, present evidence and sworn testimony, and then let a jury decide. But there are many who support the three defendants who believe a just trial is the worst thing that could happen. They allege that the reported lack of evidence shows no crime was committed, thus, the three defendants and their families should not have to shoulder any further burden in this matter, and should be set free. If that does not happen, and if the three defendants are made to stand trial, their supporters say a jury with any African-Americans serving on it will not be a fair jury at all, and thus, the trial would be unfair. They say even if there are “honest” African-Americans serving on the jury who don’t want to use the case as some kind of legal payback for past injustices committed by whites, they may very well be pressured, and in the words of one outrageous, yet ignorant commentator, actually threatened not to acquit the defendants because they are white, and the alleged victim is Black. These supporters then have the nerve and gall to state plainly that they are not playing the race card. Clearly, and most sadly, they are, and they are so blinded by their hate for the accuser and the Black community, they just can’t openly admit it. Are all of the defendants’ supporters this way? Certainly not. But there are enough of them at the various message boards and blogsites to constitute a significant number. Indeed many of these “castigators” have been hiding behind this case from the very beginning to exact their very own brand of racial “payback” to a community of people they’ve never had a modicum of respect for. These sad and angry people have deluded themselves into believing that they’re controlling the process in this case. In point of fact, they control nothing, and despite massive efforts, couldn’t even oust the district attorney during the Nov. 7 elections. We’ve taken a strong stand against the unquestionable racism against the alleged victim and the African-American community in this case from the very beginning, and we’ll continue to. When this website was first launched in reaction to the defense’s smothering public attempts to destroy the accuser and scare her into not testifying, we stood strong then, and now, for her right not to frightened away, but to march into that courtroom, take her oath, and testify truthfully. Whatever happens after that is in the hands of GOD, the judge and the jury. So if all goes as expected, there will be a trial in the spring, and it is expected to be a long one, unless the state failed to prove its case, and the defense moves to immediately dismiss the charges. This website, created to give support to the alleged rape and kidnapping victim – our Sister Survivor – will be here throughout, allowing supporters from across the globe to email in their messages of love and positive support for her. No one but she and the defendants know what truly happened nine months ago during that lacrosse team party, but no matter what the suspicions of some, she has the right not to be treated like an animal in the interim. On that accord, we continue to stand with her But we also realize that hers has been a life of pain and struggle where the best choices weren’t also made. All would agree that redemption is the path to a better, fuller and GODlier life, and we hope that those around our Sister Survivor who give her support and solace, help lead her to that which she needs the most. Unless warranted, this will be our last message in 2006 to all of you who have supported this website. We hope that we’ve stayed true to our mission in supporting the rights of the alleged victim. Furthermore, we are indeed proud to hear from several women who have told us about their struggles in the aftermath of being sexually assaulted. We thank them for sharing this very private, very personal, and yes, very painful part of their lives with us, as well as reaching out to support our Sister Survivor. We will not forget them! This website has been a shining beacon for those who deplore the hatred and racist negativity (let alone ignorance) directed towards the alleged victim on other websites devoted to supporting the three defendants. We thank you so much for your support, and ask for your continued support in the New Year. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Hannukah, and Happy Kwanzaa to all, from the administrator, and the Coalition of the Concerned. Permanent Link"

http://www.ourheartsworld.com/

[Edited on December 18, 2006 at 10:50 PM. Reason : s]

12/18/2006 10:49:47 PM

^disgusting if you read the site

12/18/2006 11:04:23 PM

they would say that you're a racist for not supporting the victim

12/18/2006 11:04:47 PM

An argument could be made that the lacrosse players are the victims

12/18/2006 11:09:39 PM