Quote :

"Could have easily been Wayne who turned the wrong way."

That's being kind of a homer.

Will it make you happier if I say that Peyton is the better QB?? Cause he is.

But he was still going against the 31st best pass defense in the league tonight and couldn't muster more than 17 points.

1/4/2009 1:34:59 AM

28 pages of Rivers winning playoff games this season

^lol "kind of" lolol

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 1:35:12 AM

^^ no its not. Not at all. I didnt say Wayne turned the wrong way. I said he COULD have. Unless you know the playbook AND heard the playcall, AND the aubible AND knew what they usually do for that coverage/situation then you cant know

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 1:36 AM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 1:36:05 AM

Quote :

"That 11 yard scramble and dive was CLUTCH."

Shit was 12 yards SON!!!

Followed by a 1 yard bulldozer run!!

Followed by an INT!!!

1/4/2009 1:36:09 AM

^^Wayne would never mess up a route.

Peyton has made a bad throw or two in his lifetime.

1/4/2009 1:36:54 AM

^blasphemy

1/4/2009 1:37:28 AM

Quote :

"Rivers helped keep 2 pro bowl QBs out of the playoffs.... now he can knock the NFL MVP out of the playoffs."

Jaybee1200 is pretty defensive about this. Rivers and the Chargers knock Peyton and the Colts out of the playoffs.

Peyton chokes again... he should have torched this defense and he really didn't. not when it counted.

nobody said Rivers carried the team on his back to get the win. everybody knows that Scifres and Sproles came up big.

and everybody knows Rivers made some clutch plays when it counted to help get the win.

being this defensive makes you look pathetic.

1/4/2009 1:51:30 AM

because i'm a half ass state fan, on a state fan message board, i'm so totally objective

i'm un-humanly unbiased, i have no biases at all, i'm totally non-biased

1/4/2009 1:54:39 AM

I swear Rivers moved better on his feet in college. Hell, he was fast enough to catch a TD pass.

1/4/2009 3:20:41 AM

i am sure it had NOTHING to do with the fact that the speed of the college game is much slower

1/4/2009 3:24:03 AM

Re-read my post and interpret it as though you had a sense of humor.

1/4/2009 3:35:11 AM

because sarcasm is easy to detect on the internet


and half the time you are trolling your boat down the street



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 3:39 AM. Reason : oh i get it now. packpride humor. shit that isnt humorous at all]

1/4/2009 3:36:04 AM

I'm not convinced you know what sarcasm is.

1/4/2009 3:44:34 AM

and i'm not convinced you know what humor is, so we're even

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 3:46 AM. Reason : .good humor anyway]

1/4/2009 3:46:14 AM

i was at the game at unc in the student section when rivers caught that pass

all the way back in the year 2000

IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAAAAAAAAAND

1/4/2009 4:00:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVjSo0qDv7o

for those who don't believe it - i'm pretty sure this is when i became a state fan for life

it totally shut up the annoying unc fans all around me - their powder blue paint smelled like SHIT

i rode back to raleigh in a civic with 9 people

ah to be a freshman again

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 4:09 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 4:09:14 AM

SOooooo happy that the Bolts are moving ON!
Go PRiv and gang.

Its the only way you'll ever catch me pulling for powder blue

1/4/2009 3:37:37 PM

good lord, erice is trolling the shit out of this thread too?

1/4/2009 3:51:28 PM

a day old, but good read
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/03/1s3rivers225014-rivers-takes-mantle-being-man-sd/?zIndex=31319

Quote :

"From the man who for so long has been The Man, who has been best when he needed to be, has been the face and the force and the barometer of the franchise, comes this passing of the torch. “He's the main reason why we're at this position right now,” LaDainian Tomlinson said. “He's played well all season long, and we've just been riding his back, and he's been carrying us.” Tomlinson was speaking this week of Philip Rivers and the Chargers quarterback's mostly wondrous 2008. Not always in agreement with the shifting of an offense, Tomlinson nonetheless knows who made the Chargers go this season. Rivers was not perfect in 2008, but he was all he had to be. And if he weren't, there is no way the Chargers are in the playoffs. “He's done everything we needed him to do to get us to this point,” said receiver Vincent Jackson, fresh off his first 1,000-yard season. In a furious four-game finish to get them to today's AFC wild-card playoff game against the Indianapolis Colts, the Chargers went undefeated as Rivers completed 80 of his 121 passes for 1,054 yards and 11 touchdowns while being intercepted once. Rivers' passer rating in that time was 120.3, second only to Indianapolis QB Peyton Manning's 130.8 rating over that span. Manning yesterday was named the NFL's Most Valuable Player for the third time. Rivers received two votes from a nationwide panel of 50 sportswriters and broadcasters. Earlier this week, without addressing the MVP topic specifically, Rivers talked about how a quarterback should be assessed. “Wins are the measure – and playoffs,” he said. “I would much rather make a run in the playoffs than go 14-2 and get knocked out in the first round. I don't know about struggling and going 8-8 and finding a way to get in the playoffs, but I'd much rather do well in the playoffs.” Speaking of which, Rivers knew the Chargers would be here. Maybe he's that confident; maybe he and his team got lucky. Maybe both. But it's a fact that five weeks ago, after the Chargers had fallen to 4-8, Rivers wrote on the white board in the quarterbacks meeting room: “8-8 will be enough. Book it.” He did his part. Where in October and November, Rivers made mistakes that ended up being costly – and when your team is losing eight games by a total of 34 points, almost every mistake is costly – he seemed almost incapable of erring in December. He was smart about his throws, found receivers and protected the ball. “When you're playing that position, everything is not going to go great for you,” coach Norv Turner said. “ . . . His (mistakes) have come at inopportune times because our games are so close. “He has confidence in his ability; he has confidence in what we're doing. He does a great job of starting over the next week and not being affected by what happened on Sunday. That is really hard for all quarterbacks and particularly hard for a young quarterback.” While having just completed his fifth NFL season, 2008 was only Rivers' third as a starter. Rivers is young enough, in fact, to have served as a camp counselor in 2003 at the quarterback camp of one Peyton Manning, who at that point had completed his fifth season and won his first MVP award. Rivers was then and now is a fan of Manning. “I don't know if star-struck is the word, but he was certainly one of my favorites,” Rivers said. “He still is. Just this year, watching him hit his first 17 against Jacksonville, shoot, I'm not ashamed to say I'd rewind and look at his good throws.” Manning is an admirer of Rivers as well. “I've known Philip since he was in college,” Manning said this week. “ . . . It's been fun watching him become one of the top quarterbacks.” Through 48 career starts, Rivers' 93.5 passer rating, 2.2-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio, and 33-15 win-loss record are better than the 48-start marks of Manning, Brett Favre and Joe Montana. Rivers believes he is just getting started, that since the middle of last November he has felt more comfortable. And in 26 regular-season and playoff games beginning with the Chargers' loss at Jacksonville on Nov. 18, 2007, Rivers' passer rating is 10 points higher than it was before that. “That's when I felt like, 'Here we go,' ” he said. “Since then to now, sure there have been games you want back, throws you want back, but since then I've played at a more consistent level. Week to week I see things I'm doing better. I'm doing them over and over. “I'm a better player this year than I've been the past two years, no question. You start to learn and see more. You've had so many reps, things you start to feel that you can't simulate unless you've done it. “But it's hard to say that, because the ultimate measure is wins and losses.”"

1/4/2009 4:55:29 PM

good read... but Rivers did step into a ready to go team, all three of those players were on teams that sucked ass before they got there

1/4/2009 4:59:43 PM

yeah that's true. Rivers was lucky to not have to play until SD addressed most of the problems that gave them the #1 pick in 2004.

1/4/2009 5:06:11 PM

^^

HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE

san diego had one good season in the TEN before rivers started, and that was Brees' contract year

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 5:23:28 PM

he sure as shit made Peyton Manning look like a little bitch yesterday

1/4/2009 5:29:43 PM

^^ just because its "Rivers" doesnt mean its hate. He was lucky enough to come to a team that had a LOT of talent waiting and had gone something like 12-4 and 9-7. That doesnt mean anything bad about Rivers, its just the truth.

^ if you are going to troll at least try to make it somewhat realistic

1/4/2009 5:36:15 PM

haha

^^ cause rivers plays defense too right?

ohboyeee is nothing but a troll

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 5:37:02 PM

yup

"the sky is blue"

"fuck that! no its not!"

1/4/2009 5:37:32 PM

San Diego was, and still is, a somewhat dysfunctional organization at the top. no matter how much talent you have, that is going to hurt your team. if you have followed the Chargers over the past couple of years, you've seen the effects of that turmoil.

not to mention that some of that talent is now gone and the rest seem to have injury problems.

1/4/2009 6:16:43 PM

same could be said of a lot of organizations... Falcons, Browns, Bengals, Packers, and especially this year, the Cowboys.

I dont think anyone is feeling sorry for the Chargers haha

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 6:37 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 6:24:36 PM

if you're equating the Chargers with the Falcons, Browns, Bengals, and Packers... you're just proving the greatness of Philip Rivers.

the only one that would be similar might be the Cowboys. and Rivers is better than Romo.

1/4/2009 6:42:05 PM

what? I dont even know what that means.


So Tomlinson, Gates, Sproles etc. wouldnt help those teams any? I think they are pretty good players, not sure why you hate them so much.

I was just mentioning that lots of organizations in the NFL are dsyfunctional and in a lot worse shape than the Chargers

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 6:55:27 PM

Rivers makes them look good

1/4/2009 6:57:32 PM

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


once again, if you are going to troll, at least make it realistic. I think LT and Gates were doing pretty good with Brees... no wait, you are right, they sucked

1/4/2009 7:01:11 PM

The only dysfunction I can think of is with the coaching/management.

AJ and Marty had a lot of beef that became pretty public knowledge. And then the Chargers lost both of their head coordinators in one off-season to become head coaches elsewhere and had to replace their head coach. And then with Turner the Chargers have caught a LOT of flack every since he took over and a lot even figured he'd be fired this season if not for the resurgence.

I know a lot of programs have coaching issues, but you have to admit the Chargers have had a lot of coaching issues the last few years. I mean the only reason P-Riv is the QB of the Chargers right now is because AJ Smith wanted him and decided to let Brees go against Marty's wishes.

And don't act like the Chargers have been some powerhouse for years and years, they had the top pick in the draft for a reason. That team was pretty bad, they used the Eli trade to make their team significantly better and they have made some great pick-ups the last few years in the draft and basically the P-Riv draft was the draft that set them on the right course.

1/4/2009 7:04:51 PM

^ what? they were 12-4 one year under Brees. Unless you mean the actual year of the draft and not the year that he actually started. I dont think Rivers has hurt at all, and has helped quite a bit, but I think that LT/Gates/Brees were the ones that started things going. If they were that bad he wouldnt have sat on the bench for two years.



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 7:09 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 7:07:02 PM

The year before they got Rivers they went 4-12.

The year after they drafted Rivers they went 12-4.

I wasn't saying that P-Riv was the ONLY reason they are becoming a great team, but that year changed their structure. In 2003 Gates had a so-so year and really came out in 2004.

That team had some talent prior to 2004 but that year sparked a lot. You just made it sound like P-Riv waltzed into a loaded team, when in fact P-Riv was coming in with a lot of young guys that had a lot of potential and have turned out to be a lot of great players.

And no I don't think P-Riv is making LT or Gates look good, but he's making his WR's look good(none of those guys are legit #1's) and he's making teams respect the pass and open up lanes for LT and Sproles.

1/4/2009 7:17:55 PM

I agree with the WRs... and I said I wasnt referring to the year he was drafted but instead the year when he actually started. and I didnt say he walked onto a great team, I said that once he actually started everything else was already in place (except the already noted WRs). Its not like Gates, LT, Turner, etc all sucked under Brees.



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 7:21 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 7:19:22 PM

who said anything about hating LT, Gates, or Sproles?

you said Rivers took over a "ready to go team". as i pointed out, that perception just isn't as true as you would like it to be.

i never said the chargers were in the worst shape. but the past couple of years, there has been this false perception of overall talent for the chargers that just isn't there.

a "ready to go team" does not have the issues and turmoil that the chargers have had the past few years.

1/4/2009 7:21:18 PM

its as ready to go as you are going to get with a new starting QB - having the best RB, the best TE, a damn good O-line, and maybe the best backup RB... that is about as loaded as you can get for a team that starts a new QB. Usually if a team is bringing in a new QB they also have a LOT more problems as well

its not like he looked around and had the talent of the 49ers, Falcons, Lions etc.

I swear you people will argue ANYTHING. Would you rather Rivers go to a complete shit team? why? that makes no sense. Damn I wish he was on the Lions! Poor old Roethlisberger! he got drafted by the Steelers!

Man I hope the rest of the team sucks for Russell Wilson next year, that would be AWESOME!



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 7:32 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 7:22:28 PM

I swear you people Jaybee1200 will argue ANYTHING.

are you still living in 2006? because things changed after that which you are having trouble understanding. "everything else" was no longer in place.

i think your frustration about peyton and the colts choking in the playoffs to an underdog for two straight years is getting in the way.

AJ Smith has made some poor draft decisions the past couple of years. he let some talent go that should have been re-signed. he re-signed some guys that probably shouldn't have. the coaching issues have already been stated.

you keep bringing up LT and Gates but they have been battling injuries for two years. it's not hard to understand. not sure why you insist on trying to argue about it.

like i said, your frustration is showing.

1/4/2009 7:42:20 PM

Quote :

"if the NFC hadn't sent Rex Grossman and Co. to try and stop him that year, Peyton Manning is Dan Marino with better acting chops."

the manning face is 3 for 9 in first round playoff games

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 8:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 8:04:15 PM

Quote :

"i think your frustration about peyton and the colts choking in the playoffs to an underdog for two straight years is getting in the way."

DING DING DING DING DONG! Absolutely. JB, go look at some QB stats for this season, I'm not even sure what you are arguing about anymore.

1/4/2009 8:09:37 PM

idiot trolls. Completely delusional.

Every one said Manning had to win a super bowl. I said, when he wins one, you will all claim thats not enough now... and what has happened? No frustrations here at all. So, according to your own logic, Rivers sucks cause he hasnt won one and Trent Dilfer is the man. Yeah, makes total sense.


"underdog" 1 point underdog on the road in the NFL, and the spread had fluctuated down to even and back and forth before the game and the Chargers were a higher seed. Dont know why you think the Chargers suck, I think they are a good team and I assumed they would win against the Colts. Game was a lot closer than I thought it would be.


I am through with you two, trolls are annoying and no one gets anywhere. No matter what someone else says you will always go the opposite. I've lost patience for this chit chat shit.



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM. Reason : d]

1/4/2009 8:54:25 PM

god damn you are dense. you have posted some real "head scratchers" in this thread

how do you come up with some of this shit out of left field? this frustration is hurting your reading comprehension.

who thinks the chargers suck? you obviously didn't comprehend what i wrote.

now you are on some tangent about manning and one superbowl not being enough.. rivers sucks and trent dilfer is the man?? where do you get this stuff? who said that?

and yes, the chargers were the underdogs both years. vegas is for gamblers. don't base you idea of underdog solely on some vegas spread. i knew you would do that.

you do understand why the chargers were the higher seed right? or should we explain it to you?

take a deep breath... the frustration will subside.

1/4/2009 9:30:08 PM

Quote :

"Neither QB played an amazing game, but manning probably played better. "

1/5/2009 12:26:49 AM

dude, i was just posting what someone wrote on deadspin

you know, just so you know that other people think the same way

i just keep posting to see what other kinds of "objective" crap you'll spew

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 2:35 AM. Reason : .]

1/5/2009 2:08:50 AM

I don't wanna click through 28 pages of this thread ...

but, has anyone mentioned Rivers and his pro-abstinence-AFTER-marriage-except-and-only-except-to-make-babies stance?

I just learned about this yesterday. It seems ... strange.

1/5/2009 8:26:03 AM

no, probably because it has nothing to do with football.

1/5/2009 8:43:16 AM

^^^ wasn't referring to you

1/5/2009 8:44:44 AM

http://tinyurl.com/7warco

Quote :

"San Diego was at the Indy 20, well within Kaeding’s range. Now Dungy was helpless, and Turner, San Diego’s embattled coach, had a decision to make. On first-and-10 he ran Sproles off left tackle, and the halfback was slammed for a two-yard loss by linebacker Clint Session. What next? Should Turner go ahead and send in Kaeding on second down? Should he run another play, and if so, what? There was a lot of hemming and hawing on the sidelines, and suddenly Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers was in Turner’s field of vision. “Iso! Iso! Iso!” Rivers screamed at his coach, urging Turner to call a running play that would isolate the speedy Sproles against an Indy linebacker off left end. Turner obliged, and then Sproles was alone in space, where he burst forward and made a sweet inside cutback. Then he was in the end zone and the Chargers were in the divisional round..."

Quote :

"The captains came to midfield, and Manning, before making the call, deferred to teammate Darrell Reid, who chose heads. Up in a luxury suite, the quarterback’s wife felt her stomach drop. “I don’t know why he did that,” Ashley Manning said afterward. “Peyton always picks tails."

oops

1/5/2009 5:10:28 PM

BTW...listen to the BS Report on Page 2. He does a nice slobbing of Rivers' nob. Saying that he takes either him or Eli as the QB he trusts the most in the playoffs right now.

Said he liked Rivers' performance in the game against Indy and that he was a "football player" and made "football plays." Never heard or seen him talk good about Philip before.

1/5/2009 6:05:32 PM