since no one reads the 49th post

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"I want to know how the Statue was still standing while the time travellers were bouncing around through the 50s and 70s last season, when the boat smashed it in tonight's episode in the mid-1800s."

because it was before richard got to the island

3/24/2010 12:09:08 AM

the time they bounced back to must have been before the black rock smashed the statue.

3/24/2010 12:12:14 AM

this was the first episode this season without a flash-sideways and a VERY INTERESTING flashback instead. I found this incredibly refreshing.

3/24/2010 12:18:31 AM

Didn't read the second half of the last page, but the reason MiB didn't show up is because his deal with Richard involved killing jacob, which isn't needed. I don't think thats to say that he wouldn't take richard as a follower to help him escape/prevent a new replacement especially since according to Illana richard is in someway instrumental to finalizing the replacement process

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3/24/2010 12:32:11 AM

This episode should've been towards the end of season 5 but ya it was a great episode.

I don't BELIEVE the isalnd is hell but I wouldn't rule out all possibilities right now because I'm waiting for a major twist and that twist could end up being jacob really is the devil and island really is hell which is why he brings people there and makes them stay. One thing to make me not think its hell is the fact that you can come and go but it doesn't have to be a christian version of hell it can be some other sort of hell where jacob is the equivalent to god (huge free will activist) and smokedude is the equivalent to the devil (huge advocate of sinning nature serpant) it sounds like the GARDEN OF EDEN which would also explain adam and eve.

I don't think that but I'm not ruling it out.

I thought it was spelled out pretty clear that richard is part of blacks major plan which is why he let him live in the first place. He can somehow see the future and knows that richard will end up helping his cause in the end(remember he did the same thing with locke, thats huge). We almost saw richard go over but I feel like black LET hurley talk him out of it becuse the time isn't ripe for an evil richard quite yet. I think thats the final piece of his puzzle.

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"the ship they saw wasn't the black rock in the daytime"

the lens they were looking through was probably something akin to the lighthouse.

Ratsoup, keep me name out your mouth if you don't know me.

Also, its really gay to post things the writers said about the direction of the show. Thats not part of the episdoes and since it affects possible theories its a spoiler. Thats the type of spoilers I'm talking about. They are worse than something like "jin will die in the next episode" because they don't just give away a small part of the plot they give away the direction in which the overall plot of the show is headed.

3/24/2010 12:32:48 AM

I'm fairly certain MiB is the evil. I think they're just taking the biblical stance of the devil/evil appearing as someone thats likeable and coming in lies/trickery [rather no one is going to follow a black smoke monster]



and the island is definitely not hell. otherwise we would've seen hitler there. Besides jacob was clear to say "theres more than one name for it" giving evil, corruption and malevolence as examples.

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 12:36:54 AM

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"Ratsoup, keep me name out your mouth if you don't know me."

AAARRR understood, matey.

3/24/2010 12:48:28 AM

^^ya but he said jobob STOLE his manhood. you just have to ask the question "what if he's telling the truth and jacobs all lies?". You know a huge twist HAS to be coming.

3/24/2010 12:49:54 AM

Jobob!!!

3/24/2010 12:51:56 AM

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"ya but he said jobob STOLE his manhood"

h-h-h-HE STOLE MY MANHOOD!

3/24/2010 12:51:57 AM

He said that in trying to get richard to kill jacob. The same trickery he used on ben. I don't think there are really any twists left for this show, i just think unexpected revelations will keep coming.

I think that both of them have the power of persuasion allowing them to convince anyone of anything but that jacob is powerless beneath the statue which is why he doesn't let anyone inside.

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 12:55 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 12:52:57 AM

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"He said that in trying to get richard to kill jacob. jobob"

fixed it for you.

and there will be more twists. the alternate universe is not going to be an epilogue, so we still have the importance of that to look forward to.

3/24/2010 12:54:33 AM

Do we know a huge twist is coming? Isn't it possible that the writers have a clear direction they've been heading in for the duration of the show?

That said, I guess it's a remote possibility that Jacob is really evil and the MiB is really good and that Jacob is just trying to keep them trapped--but I just don't see it.

The greatest twist is that Jacob's name is really Jobob. Speaking of names, did anyone notice that Jobob called Richard "Ricardes" not "Ricardo"? Why was that? What significance could that possibly have?

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 12:57 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 12:54:48 AM

^thats the only twist i could see happening, but i think that is unlikely because i don't see the good entity killing people on the island for not following it. The other thing is that we know for sure that jacob is bringing people to prove that people are not inherently evil. Not sure why the good person would want to prove that people can be tricked into killing the bad entity

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 12:58 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 12:57:08 AM

i know good and evil has always kind of been and underlying theme on lost and that it looks blatantly obvious that jacob is good and MiB is bad, but i just keep hoping somehow it all ends up boiling down to perspective and that neither side is really good or evil just because this show rules so hard and i don't want it to have the whole hackneyed good vs evil thing.

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"^thats the only twist i could see happening, but i think that is unlikely because i don't see the good entity killing people on the island for not following it"

this is part of the reason why i hope it ends up being more about perspective. jacob doesn't have a very clean record either...

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 12:59 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 12:58:34 AM

Excellent point, Rat Soup. Good and evil are not clear concepts.

3/24/2010 12:59:25 AM

I'm pretty sure it just boils down to Jacob signifying people who think the island itself is good and MiB signifying people who think the island is bad. I mean they are using a lot of motifs such as black/white to get the good/evil point across it would be pretty shitty if they were doing all of that just to say "Oh look how we abused your preconceived notions about all cultural stigmas associated with colors"

^^whats bad on jacob's record?

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3/24/2010 12:59:34 AM

killing people on the island could just be "releasing them"

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:01 AM. Reason : jacob manipulates people their whole lives and traps them on the island]

3/24/2010 1:00:25 AM

Okay i'll give you that, but people on the island in general are given gifts and taken away from the problems they had off the island. Its not his fault that people on the island end up killing each other, once they get there.

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:03 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 1:02:21 AM

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"I'm pretty sure it just boils down to Jacob signifying people who think the island itself is good and MiB signifying people who think the island is bad."

well i've never been aware of the argument that the island itself is necessarily good or bad, but i don't know where the bad argument would come from considering the island's healing properties and people like locke and rose not wanting to leave.

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"^^whats bad on jacob's record?"

haha, did you watch the first episode? there was that whole plane that went down because jacob was bringing a select few to the island.

and if there is truth to locke's claims that boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded and that boone's death was somehow jacob's intention, that would imply that boone's life was a means to an end and was merely to get the candidates to continue performing a series of events that would put them where they needed to be.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:04 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 1:04:40 AM

killing off extras isn't bad.

A lot of people have things off the island, and don't really think they have a reason to be on the island. If i were in that position i would think that the island sucks a fatty.

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:07 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 1:06:04 AM

then neither is the smoke monster killing extras

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"A lot of people have things off the island, and don't really think they have a reason to be on the island. If i were in that position i would think that the island sucks a fatty."

but you can't really say the island is BAD because of that. juliet really wanted to leave, but it wasn't because the island itself was a terrible place.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:11 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 1:06:59 AM

True but MiB abuses people's feelings and lives to persuade them. He also lies directly to people ie claire. To this point we haven't seen jacob directly lie to anyone or cause anyone any harm on the island. Furthermore we can only assume it wasn't Jacob in the temple that caused the sickness in the french expedition. And i don't remember when locke said that about boone so i can't really refute that statement

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3/24/2010 1:10:34 AM

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"True but MiB abuses people's feelings and lives to persuade them. He also lies directly to people ie claire."

you could say the same thing about jobob though. he influenced the lives of all of the candidates to get them to the island where a lot of upsetting and traumatic events occurred. and i wonder if it's the island or something jobob can do that won't allow people to kill themselves until they've done what they're supposed to do. if it's jobob, then he wouldn't let michael kill himself off the island, and presumably he may have had something to do with the car accident that occurred when jack was ready to jump off the bridge in season 4. he may not lie like MiB, but as far as i can tell right now he meddles in people's affairs significantly in order to further his own agenda. i know it may not be jobob, but it just seems more reasonable at this stage since we've seen jobob doing things off the island vs. the suggestion that the island is somehow sentient.

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"And i don't remember when locke said that about boone so i can't really refute that statement"

he said it in season 1 after boone died and it made him look like a pretty big dick

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:19 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 1:19:21 AM

I'm with Rat Soup. I think that, at this point, both can be interpreted as being in the wrong. And I, too, would be more satisfied if they made their good/evil stance more relative than absolute.

I think that, rather than one being good and one being bad, Jobob and the MiB, at this point in time, simply represent a philosophical difference. As Rat Soup said in Kantian terms, Jobob uses many characters as means to his end. Now, what may LATER reveal Jobob as clearly good is if he considered the ends of the characters he has thus far used as means. Meaning, later we may discover that part of the reason Jacob interfered with these characters is because he knew it would turn out better for them. But we don't necessarily know that, yet; while some of the people Jobob has interfered with have addressed their issues head-on on the island, some of them (maybe up until recently) still seem unhappy living on the island.

It is still possible, given what we know right now, that the MiB is actually just trying to free them. As the MiB has stated, he believes in full disclosure and intervention, which is the opposite of Jacob's beliefs in secrecy and nonintervention. When you look at it this way, you can start to see ethos behind the MiB's character. Maybe he is truly trying to free them from a nonsensical duty so that they can find happiness more directly--through the people that they know they love in their off-island lives. Keep in mind that a lot of the negative associations we've made with the MiB's character have come from Jacob's mouth--it is still possible that Jacob lies as well as the MiB.

When you really analyze the characters of Jobob and the MiB based on what we currently know, it's not necessarily obvious that one is good and one is evil; as we know that the Lost writers have an interest in philosophy, it may be that what the show develops into, rather than a simple good vs. evil story, is a philosophical debate i.e. not that it will be clearly defined who the viewer should root for, but that the viewer should instead decide for themselves who they will root for, and the viewership may be split. I think this would be an infinitely more interesting direction. A humanist may identify with the MiB trying to attain happiness directly, taking god and anything higher or above humans out of the equation, whereas a deontologist may identify more with Jacob's insistence on serving a higher purpose.

All this being said, I should say that while I would greatly enjoy a direction such as mentioned above, I think the likelihood (giving the writers all the credit in the world) is that Jacob really is simply trying to protect the world from the embodiment of pure evil and human corruption in the MiB, and that the island really is just a prison for the embodiment of pure evil, and that Jobob really is just trying to anoint a new protector.

3/24/2010 2:05:25 AM

Just a reminder that the Lindelof/Cuse production team hadn't visualized an exact and specific endgame to LOST until some time during the third season.

After the horrible polarbearcagecrap that was the Others' torture time on LOVETRIANGLEISLAND where Jack gave Ben a new heart or whatever, there was massive fan backlash. Then they killed off Nikki and Paolo. Then, with a few episodes in the season left, they announced that there would be three more seasons, shortened, going from Feb-Mar until 2010.

So anything we're trying to connect from before this point to the now might have to be retconned or creatively-filled-in by us fans.

And anything that does work, like black/white stones in the cave or on backgammon, or Hurley's or Walt's or anyones gifts becoming valuable to the story now, just remember that we spent a whole season with Tailies that are all now dead.

Anything from the first 2.5 seasons that still works now works because of clever writing now (and clever, open-ended set-up then), and not because every detail was set in stone a long time ago. Shit, black and white stones? You can't find a more open-ended set of symbols. That said, there is some clever retconning going on on LOST every week (see: statue + black rock = CRASH).

3/24/2010 2:17:37 AM

i know you're right about a lot of the retconning on the parts of the fans and that many links to events in prior seasons are the results of open-ended writing. there was some guy posting in here earlier about how there was foreshadowing in "walkabout" that a smoke monster sound effect hinted that locke would eventually be used by MiB, which is exactly what you're talking about. there's no way that was written into the details of the show that early because the entire details surrounding locke's character weren't even close to being finalized, and locke was also given much of what was intended for mr. eko after he had to be written off because of drama with the actor.

but i'm fairly certain i've seen an interview or read a podcast script where lindelof/cuse said that the backgammon scene was intentionally done to mirror the overall gist of the show despite how vague and innocuous it seemed at the time. you're right that they didn't have an endgame in sight (ABC didn't know how long it would last) and that they definitely didn't have all the details ironed out, but they knew there was a basic story that they were trying to tell. i'm pretty certain they even knew early on that they were going to get into the whole time traveling mess eventually as well. so yes, a lot of connections made to events in previous seasons are the result of clever writing, but there are some things here and there that were planned from the get-go.

3/24/2010 2:51:56 AM

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"Anything from the first 2.5 seasons that still works now works because of clever writing now (and clever, open-ended set-up then), and not because every detail was set in stone a long time ago."

I disagree to a certain extent. Not having the details of how it would end and exact scenes/dialogue and what not does not mean that they didn't have the overall theme and plot in mind. It's very possible that backgammon paralleled that original idea all along and is why it was included. It would be a very trivial scene to include in one of the first episodes otherwise. Not saying it's 100% connected, but I'm not going to dismiss the idea that it's connected simply because the writers said they didn't have the "exact and specific endgame" until season 3 - all that could mean is they didn't know who was going to win the game until that point, or which piece was going to be used to win, so on. -- They've always said that they had the main ideas from the get go (remember, it was originally a mini-series) and that getting picked up for extra seasons actually made it more challenging in some ways b/c they had to add stuff in but that they could always keep it going because the plot points were known, it was just a matter of extending the spacing.

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"there is some clever retconning going on on LOST every week (see: statue + black rock = CRASH)."

Clever? that was the dumbest shit I ever saw. I would have rather them just left it unexplained than have a ship get thrown into it and then continue at least several hundred yards inland - that shit was retarded.

This is how i imagine the writing session went:
"Well, this week we get to address the Black Rock coming to the island."
"oh yeah? what else is still on the 'unanswered' list?"
"Backgammon, walt, adam and eve, statue destruction..."
"you thinking what I'm thinking?!?"
"hell yeah, let's crash that mother right into it... BAM, ship on island, statue down.. and since it's getting thrown high enough, far enough, and hard enough to smash the statue, let's just keep that baby sailing inland to its current location!"
"oh, fuck you're the man... that's 3 questions in one scene!"

-- I'll give them credit for stretching stupid as far as possible if that's what they stick with (which i think they will). But personally, I'd rather them just leave some things unanswered then use absurd setups to answer trivial stuff.

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"and if there is truth to locke's claims that boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded and that boone's death was somehow jacob's intention, that would imply that boone's life was a means to an end and was merely to get the candidates to continue performing a series of events that would put them where they needed to be."

At this point, i think locke was nothing more than a lemming. There's no reason to think he really knew anything about the island, legitimately - at least from what I can recall. He was always being manipulated, and very easily by Ben and what seemed to be MiB.

There was always the contrast between Locke's belief and Jack's lack thereof; even now that Jack believes, it's based on some semi-reasonable things which he has seen for his own eyes. Both men believe(d) in a greater purpose, but for very significantly different reasons.

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"Do we know a huge twist is coming? Isn't it possible that the writers have a clear direction they've been heading in for the duration of the show?"

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive - in a couple of ways. A) we know what they've told us, they could have had any direction in their minds from the get go that they haven't actually shared or really hinted at. So in that sense, a twist could be what they've had in mind and the direction they've been headed all along.

b) The effectiveness of the former, and imo it's (the twist) sheer existence, depends on the latter. For a "twist" to actually occur, the writers must seem to have a clear cut direction that they're headed - in regard to what we, the audience, know.

Having said that, I don't think it will be clear cut in the end... but we'll see.

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"He also clearly said the rocks were an inside joke, so I don't think they have any real significance other than as some kind of marker in the game they have been playing for who knows how long."

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"The scale showed the rocks being even, and I don't exactly consider MiB and Jacob even. Jacob is clearly "in charge"."

He gave him the rock after acquiring Richard has his... mediator. As Richard pointed out, Jacob wasn't intervening, but MiB was. With Richard now in that role, Jacob was then even with him in that sense. I think the rock symbolizes Richard/Jacob's manipulation/hand in the game, not Jacob himself. And since Richard is still around/Jacob still guiding the candidates, MiB misinterpreting that could be a big deal. He thought it was Jacob, who is dead, but who's hand is still playing out.


And that makes me want to bring something up, how significant is it really that Jacob is dead? He's still guiding people via Hurley. And he doesn't seem too worried about not being around in the physical sense. Imo, Jacob is several steps ahead of MiB - or at least he thinks he is. Him being dead hasn't changed much other than MiB thinking he can now get off. Maybe he can, maybe not.

Maybe in the end he's going to be victorious and be like "Look Smokey, I saw this play coming a mile away. You should have waited a little longer to break that wine bottle... that's the only reason I ever figured out you weren't trying to do the obvious and remove the cork of our little metaphor. If I had gotten 100 more feet, I wouldn't have heard you smash it and realized that you were going to try to go right through the bottle itself."

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 3:33 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 3:29:41 AM

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"At this point, i think locke was nothing more than a lemming. There's no reason to think he really knew anything about the island, legitimately - at least from what I can recall. He was always being manipulated, and very easily by Ben and what seemed to be MiB."

i just sat here for almost 30 minutes trying to think of some way to prove he isn't a lemming based on things other than my feeling that he still has some role to play, but i couldn't

3/24/2010 4:01:51 AM

Have to agree that the ship smashing thru the statue was dumb.

That statue had to be several hundred feet hight, and it was made of some kind of rock.

If a 19th century ship was thrown into it with enough velocity to shatter the statue, it seems like a wooden ship would take much more damage than a limestone/granite statue, shattering the ship and killing everyone on board...not landing almost wholly intact in the jungle.

My only real beef with the episode.

3/24/2010 9:11:25 AM

I think the massive tidal wave also helped to damage the statue

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"The statue is ripped apart by a tidal wave carrying the Black Rock, leaving only a four-toed foot. "

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:43 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 9:40:49 AM

^ agreed, I yelled "BULLSHIT" at the TV when i seen that.

3/24/2010 9:41:38 AM

I thought it was interesting that MIB's instructions to Richard were almost word-for-word exact to what Dogan told Sayid. I'm paraphrasing, but something along the lines of:

- Don't let him say anything
- He can be very persuasive
- He's the devil / evil incarnate

Then, after Richard/Sayid returned unsuccessful, "You let him speak, didn't you?"

3/24/2010 11:31:12 AM

Keep in mind that when Richard's slave friend was looking out the hole in the ship, he saw the face of the statue right there. The statue is hundreds of feet high so a tidal wave of that size easily could have knocked the statue down and carried them inland a bit. And keep in mind that Jacob told Richard that he brought him here... Jacob could have put some kind of voodoo magic in the tidal wave but I don't know why he would want to destroy the statue.


On another note... if Jacob brought Richard to the island, why did he leave him in the cellar of the Black Rock to almost die of thirst? If he wanted him there, why didn't he go help him out of the chains earlier? Obviously the only other dude out in the woods would be MiB so he's gotta know that he would try something.

3/24/2010 11:58:57 AM

Jacob said that he didn't want to be involved in the decisions at all.. IE he would not want to interfere with anything once they landed on the island... however Mib was the opposite... thus Richard being jacob's spokesperson so to speak

3/24/2010 12:04:07 PM

guys, come on. his name is jobob, not jacob

3/24/2010 12:32:58 PM

The funniest thing about it is, "o" and "b" aren't anywhere near "a" and "c" on the keyboard. How the hell did Jacob become Jobob?

3/24/2010 12:51:00 PM

you can't rationalize anything mambagrl does

3/24/2010 12:59:08 PM

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"He gave him the rock after acquiring Richard has his... mediator. As Richard pointed out, Jacob wasn't intervening, but MiB was. With Richard now in that role, Jacob was then even with him in that sense. I think the rock symbolizes Richard/Jacob's manipulation/hand in the game, not Jacob himself. "

That was my exact interpretation.






HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH
HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH HURLEY SPANISH







Did some google magic to double check what I thought I heard him say last night.

Ok, yo quiero hacerlo. Sí yo te puedo ayudar pero no se como encontrarlo si no sé...... por donde se fué

Ok, I want to do it. Yes I can help you but I don't know how to find him since I don't know where he's gone"






HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH
HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH HURLEY ENGLISH

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:07 PM. Reason : i speaka da english]

3/24/2010 1:06:11 PM

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"Have to agree that the ship smashing thru the statue was dumb. That statue had to be several hundred feet hight, and it was made of some kind of rock. If a 19th century ship was thrown into it with enough velocity to shatter the statue, it seems like a wooden ship would take much more damage than a limestone/granite statue, shattering the ship and killing everyone on board...not landing almost wholly intact in the jungle. My only real beef with the episode."

Agreed. And it wouldn't be "easy" for a tidal wave/tsunami to come up as several hundred feet high and smash into the statue. Tidal waves get their height from continental shelves. Given that this island is in the middle of the deepest ocean on Earth and that is it an island there's be no shelf. So dumb that they showed that the Black Rock smashed a path through the trees in the forest. If a giant wall of water had deposited it there wouldn't be a single tree left standing!

Again, really stupid. However otherwise this has been one of my favorite (if not favorite) eposides of the season.

Also, it's become common knowledge that Hurley can see dead people. However we don't know why....not a clue, and that seems pretty dumb.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM. Reason : k]

3/24/2010 1:15:38 PM

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"Agreed. And it wouldn't be "easy" for a tidal wave/tsunami to come up as several hundred feet high and smash into the statue. Tidal waves get their height from continental shelves. Given that this island is in the middle of the deepest ocean on Earth and that is it an island there's be no shelf. So dumb that they showed that the Black Rock smashed a path through the trees in the forest. If a giant wall of water had deposited it there wouldn't be a single tree left standing!"

seriously? geology and physics? run the smoke monster by these rules while you're at it.

3/24/2010 1:16:52 PM

LOL, I know man. Just the same some of the ridiculousness is over the top and I'm just stating why I think this was incredibly lame.

3/24/2010 1:17:49 PM

if anything LOST has taught me that writers of TV shows can basically do whatever they want when it comes to science--I'll still watch

3/24/2010 1:19:10 PM

really? the tidal wave is the most ridiculous thing in this show??? how about time traveling, or making an island "disappear" or turning getting rid of cancer or healing a paraplegic?

3/24/2010 1:21:06 PM

Jobob told Richard he brought him there, so he could have easily "made" the tidal wave.


Random question that appears will go unanswered: What's the deal with the Dharma supply drop from way back in I think Season 2?

3/24/2010 1:25:49 PM

Definitely don't watch Lost for geological accuracy.

I hate my geology class...I feel like I'm in first grade in there. There's something intellectually insulting about looking at rocks and classifying them as "big" or "small" and then observing what color they are. Plus, the professor uses words like "blurp" to describe hot spots and "warmish" to describe something warm. Easily the dumbest class I've ever taken.

3/24/2010 1:42:57 PM

next 3 shows center around Sun and Jin (Boo!), Desmond (Yay!) and Hurley (Meh(]

The episode I'm looking forward to most is called "Across the Sea"

I've heard great things

3/24/2010 1:43:51 PM

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"If a 19th century ship was thrown into it with enough velocity to shatter the statue, it seems like a wooden ship would take much more damage than a limestone/granite statue, shattering the ship and killing everyone on board...not landing almost wholly intact in the jungle."

okay so jacob can give someone eternal life, but you're upset over the ship not busting up, or the trees not being knocked over, or the wave being impossibly big? since jacob can make people live forever and "bring" people to the island, it seems obvious that he made the wave. since he made it, then it can be however big he wants it to be. he can make that dynamite's fuse go out too. i don't think it's such a huge leap to think that he kept the boat intact.

come on people

3/24/2010 1:52:38 PM

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"seriously? geology and physics? run the smoke monster by these rules while you're at it. really? the tidal wave is the most ridiculous thing in this show??? how about time traveling, or making an island "disappear" or turning getting rid of cancer or healing a paraplegic?"

I can go along with time-travel, smokey, supernatural stuff, etc. because they're entirely made up and have thus far, played by the rules they've set. The ship crashing that far inland, after going through a big ass statue, then creating a specific path through the trees and being seemingly undamaged is ridiculous.

And the first person shot of it riding the wave was horrible. It was just a dumb way to accomplish getting the Black Rock to his final location imo. If there was some significance to it, i'd be willing to "go along." But it was just a way for them to answer two questions (how the statue was damaged and how the ship got inland), which are now obviously not terribly relevant to anything of importance. If it was crucial in any real plot development, they would have come up with something better. They're just jerking fans off now in hopes to appease them by answering trivial crap.

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"I thought it was interesting that MIB's instructions to Richard were almost word-for-word exact to what Dogan told Sayid. I'm paraphrasing, but something along the lines of: - Don't let him say anything - He can be very persuasive - He's the devil / evil incarnate Then, after Richard/Sayid returned unsuccessful, "You let him speak, didn't you?""

I noticed this, and I think most did. But something else that may be related is that MiB also said something like "he took my body" (referring to Jacob). And I wonder if that was meant in a more literal way than it seemed at the time, and if it is of any significance.

It could also be that they both know they're capable of talking people into things and use the same lines to convince people to go against the other. -- although that just made me think of something. MiB definitely tried to talk Richard, and others, into going against Jacob. i don't recall the conversation exactly, did Jacob do the opposite or did he more talk Ricard into going along with him?

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"Jobob told Richard he brought him there, so he could have easily "made" the tidal wave."

Maybe, but it seems a little silly in hindsight since it destroyed the statue he lives under.

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"Random question that appears will go unanswered: What's the deal with the Dharma supply drop from way back in I think Season 2?"

I don't think it's been addressed. I believe some think it could have to do with the time travel or the difference in how time passes on the island - remember the missile/payload experiment that Faraday conducted as soon as he got to the island? The woman on the ship expected it to hit the beach a good bit before it ever hit the island. It could be related to that some how.

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"Desmond (Yay!)"

that's exciting. one of my favorite characters, and I still think he's definitely the x-factor in all of this. Or at least the way his mind jumped back and forth between time and possibly time-lines, is.



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"i don't think it's such a huge leap to think that he kept the boat intact."

lol, fair enough. But I'd prefer they'd not go that route simply to answer trivial questions.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 1:53:09 PM

There should be a character limit for responses. No way in fuck am i reading that.

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3/24/2010 2:19:00 PM