3/25/2012 7:55:50 PM

good liberal spin there

3/25/2012 7:56:45 PM

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"The young boy could have been frightened by being chased and just flat out stop to defend himself out of reaction because he thought Zimmerman was closer to him that he has suspected. Its clear that Zimmerman chased him, for 100% fact."

Zimmerman followed him onto the pedestrian path between the buildings.

No really, physically there is no other way for them to get there. The girlfriend's call listened to the first of the conversation. There was a verbal exchange first.

So all you people arguing this doesn't make sense b/c Trayvon could have ran, you're wrong. I don't know why he didn't run, but it got to a face-off unless someone is lying.

Everyone ITT stop being wrong already, geez.

3/25/2012 8:11:06 PM

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"No really, physically there is no other way for them to get there. The girlfriend's call listened to the first of the conversation. There was a verbal exchange first."

Zimmerman claims he never spoke with him.

I wonder if the police ever interrogated the girlfriend?

3/25/2012 8:13:49 PM

Fuck it, I give up. We will just have to see on April 10th. There is so many petty arguments that could be made, but NOTHING can dodge the fact that if Zimmerman would have not somehow pursued this individual (no matter how it went) no one would be dead right now. The kid DID NOT bother or otherwise target Zimmerman for ANYTHING whatsoever, it was Zimmerman acting on what is an obvious biased mentality towards SUSPICIOUS individuals.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 8:18:31 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-death-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts/story?id=15959017#.T2-2vNnRZE5

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"Zimmerman claims he never spoke with him. I wonder if the police ever interrogated the girlfriend?"

there are a few new things I see from that link above. They have a phone call log, so there's no doubt the call took place, and I didn't think it would be recorded by T-Mobile. It seems I might be wrong.

Quote :

"Martin's father, Tracey Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, listened to the call, along with ABC News, ashen-faced. "

Also, the girl only spoke through her lawyer... which makes sense. But yes, this contradicts Zimmerman's story. Now, it's possible that the cops on scene might have "misremembered" what Zimmerman told them, which would probably be more fuel for the race riots

If there really is a recording of that conversation, this is probably all over for Zimmerman. With conflicting witnesses you can have reasonable doubt, but when hard evidence agrees with one set of witnesses... yeah...

But they're right, with this evidence there's no reason to not arrest him. Without this call it could have been defensible to hold off, but not right now.

3/25/2012 8:27:13 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/what_if_trayvon_had_been_white_and_the_shooter_black.html

That article is so fucking stupid.

Hey let's ignore 400+ years of racial bigotry because well POOR WHITE PEOPLE

There's a huge difference between the case he compared it to as well. The man in that case was immediately arrested and tried on manslaughter charges. It's been a month and this guy hasn't been brought into a jail cell.

And this sentence:

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"In the eyes of the Federal government and the political Left, all whites are forever suspected of being gap-toothed Klansmen with shotguns and nooses in their pickup trucks, and all blacks are perpetually innocent, doe-eyed victims of white oppression."

Is disgusting and attempts to hand wave away the racist bullshit that still goes on in every city in America.

And let's not forget this racist gem:

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"Certainly it's true that in the past, blacks have been victims of whites. But today the reality is quite different from what the street mobs, the government, the media and the P.C. crowd would have us believe. Far from being victims of white oppression, blacks today are disproportionately perpetrators of violent crimes against whites and against other blacks. According to data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2009, "whites" -- a category that includes Hispanics -- were known to be responsible for 5,286 murders. Blacks, a mere 13% of the population, were known to be responsible for 5,980 murders."

I think I'm going to throw up.

3/25/2012 8:32:36 PM

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I laughed way too hard at that.

3/25/2012 8:34:42 PM

ok glad to hear it

FUCK IT

I'M POSTING TO REDDIT

3/25/2012 8:42:54 PM

I wonder if they recovered martin's bluetooth headset too. It's location vs. the body would be telling.

3/25/2012 8:48:39 PM

^ oh I forgot about that point.

See, I kept harping on the detail that we don't know why Zimmerman's phone was hung up. I think his case was that he was jumped so it magically cut off at that second. It would be creepy and suspicious for him to hang up the 911 call himself right before he enters a footpath in pursuit of Treyvon.

Just sayin, if someone with a gun chasing me hangs up their call to 911 my first thought would be "oh fuck oh fuck i'm gona die"

I was also curious how Treyvon's phone was hung up, but it would seem clear now. It didn't hang up right away, but he was using a headpiece that was communicating with his phone in his pocket. It then makes sense that the connection then craps out (to anyone who uses these). Either that, or his girlfriend still had a poor connection and decided to hang up and try again. This would also be consistent with her statements, and wouldn't be entirely crazy. If you're that scared about your boyfriend you're going to want to ring his phone. Although, I imagine it unfortunately rang the bluetooth instead. One could hope that otherwise someone beating and killing another human being might be a little phased by a ringing phone.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2012 9:04:17 PM

@God:

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"There's a huge difference between the case he compared it to as well. The man in that case was immediately arrested and tried on manslaughter charges. It's been a month and this guy hasn't been brought into a jail cell."

Yep, that's why I didn't agree with a some of what that article said, just thought the case it pointed to was interesting for contrast in terms of main stream media coverage.

As someone who owns firearms, I thought it was pretty much par for the course to be arrested following a shooting, even in self defense, and expect such a thing to happen if I ever do defend myself. So I agree with you that its odd he wasn't taken into custody, and if the outrage was solely over the mishandling of the case by the police so far I'd be with you. I just don't think there's any proof of a racial component to the case yet, which everyone else seems convinced of.

3/25/2012 9:13:13 PM

Lol... The Lopez show for tonight is the episode where neighborhood watch people (The Lopezes) are reported for being "suspicious looking people walking around in hoodies." Timely.

3/25/2012 9:33:18 PM

It's everything combined that makes it racial.

Being harassed while driving your vehicle, walking down the street, or simply existing while being Black is something very real that happens to a lot of people. It's something that still exists in this "post-Racial/Obama" society, ESPECIALLY in the south.

So, when a news story pops up about a Black kid doing absolutely nothing provocative or illegal and DYING for it, and the shooter is not a Black person (but a person who could, by all accounts, pass for White), everyone is going to assume, and rightly so, that the same situation occurred. And that brings forth a lot of deep-seated anger.

And combine that with the police not arresting the man and not appearing to take the case as seriously as they would if a White child lay dying on the street. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

And you've got what you have now.

3/25/2012 9:35:25 PM

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"As someone who owns firearms, I thought it was pretty much par for the course to be arrested following a shooting, even in self defense, and expect such a thing to happen if I ever do defend myself. So I agree with you that its odd he wasn't taken into custody, and if the outrage was solely over the mishandling of the case by the police so far I'd be with you. I just don't think there's any proof of a racial component to the case yet, which everyone else seems convinced of. "

Someone who shoots and kills someone isn't always going to be arrested on the spot, and sometimes will never be arrested. That's what a lot of people do not understand.

Not that this case is, but if it's a clear cut case of self defense say....shooting and killing an armed intruder during a home invasion, the chances of you being arrested are very very slim.

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"I just don't think there's any proof of a racial component to the case yet, which everyone else seems convinced of. ""

I agree. Even during the 911 call, he doesn't just come out and say "Yeah there is some suspicious black kid in the neighborhood" He doesn't even mention the race till asked, and just refers to Trayvon as a "suspicious" person. Hell, I think he even says "I think he's black" or "Im pretty sure he is black"

If he had just come out and been like "There is some stupid nigger hanging out"

But there really is no solid evidence of racism in the 911 call.

The "stupid coons" comment is barely audible and some have even suggest he is saying "stupid kids" You can't say 100% either way.

The only reason this has turned into a racial thing is because the media wanted to stir up a good story and ran the "White neighborhood watch guy guns down skittle toting unarmed black kid"

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:47 PM. Reason : ,]

3/25/2012 9:41:51 PM

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"Someone who shoots and kills someone isn't always going to be arrested on the spot, and sometimes will never be arrested. That's what a lot of people do not understand."

Unless they're Black.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/148259/0/Suspect-arrested-in-Valrico-shooting

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"Neighbor Trevor Dooley, 69, has been arrested in the shooting of David James. Neighbors tell us he is known for complaining about kids riding their skateboards on the basketball court across from his house. Dooley was arrested at his Valrico home at 3:30 p.m. Tuesday afternoon on the following charges: *One count of Manslaughter *One count of Improper Exhibition of a firearm *One count of openly carrying a Firearm"

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/witnesses-dispute-trevor-dooleys-stand-your-ground-claim-in-valrico/1206308

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2012 9:47:49 PM

I just want to point out that you don't have to be a white person to be racist against black people (OBVIOUSLY). Honestly, I have not suggested ANYTHING racist yet, but Mr. Zimmerman has an obvious bias against individuals that somehow fit the description of Trayvon, phenotypically speaking, dress code, the way he walked - WHATEVER reason ... so whatever influenced Mr Zimmerman to to approach Trayvon is fair game to be based on a 'hate' reason because he hated individuals that matched the description, or characteristics of Trayvon, since ABSOLUTELY NO CRIME OR SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY WAS TAKING PLACE, other than what Mr. Zimmerman, and obviously biased individual and avid police caller, deemed as abnormal, when his judgement is HIGHLY at question here. And, it does not help him that he has an actual DOCUMENTED history that implies he is prone to violent behavior.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 9:48:33 PM

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"But there really is no solid evidence of racism in the 911 call."

You don't really get how language can be used to "otherize" a group, do you?

"THEY always get away." "Fucking punks/coons/kids."

It doesn't matter if he explicitly said nigger. He was otherizing a group that was different than himself to distance himself from that group. 9 times out of 10, in this situation, it's a Black person that is the target of that.

3/25/2012 9:49:50 PM

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""THEY always get away." "

Yeah because "They" automatically means "black people"

No chance that it could mean criminals in general.

Some of the criminals who have been recently been getting away with crimes in the neighborhood.

The same criminals that Zimmerman originally thought he was following that night.

No chance at all.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:52 PM. Reason : ,]

3/25/2012 9:51:36 PM

What does a criminal look like?

3/25/2012 9:52:30 PM

3/25/2012 9:53:42 PM

Yeah, it's hilarious how conservatives

-argue for racial profiling at airports, because they don't think white people should get patted down but a muslim with a huge beard should

-pass laws that allow for cops to check the status of someone they pull over, but say they can't do it based on race, but neglect to mention any other reason why someone would doubt someone's status

and then claim that they don't judge people based on apperance.

3/25/2012 9:54:34 PM

wanted


apparently Rivera's son doesn't agree, prob bc he is not paid to.



[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2012 9:55:17 PM

I don't think Zimmerman is racist I think he's a wannabe cop who is just plain stupid.

His neighborhood watch wasn't registered with the local cops, which means he probably never got the " never pursue" speech cops normally say at neighborhood watch meetings.

3/25/2012 10:04:31 PM

Can anyone here that sides with the police in the case, answer with a straight face, and tell me what do you REALLY think Mr. Zimmerman thought was 'suspicous' or 'criminal' about Trayvon?

3/25/2012 10:05:40 PM

Again, people are confusing the word racist.

A racist doesn't have to mean someone who posts on Stormfront and has a klan outfit in their trunk.

If you prejudge people of different races based on stereotypes, then you're a racist.

I highly doubt he would have gone after a red-haired White kid with glasses and a bowtie. But a Black kid in a hoodie? CRIMINAL .

3/25/2012 10:06:19 PM

Also, one thing people need to realize.

When a 911 dispatcher tells you "we don't NEED you to do that" like the one told Zimmerman when he said he was following Trayvon.....

They are not a cop and basically have no authority to tell you what you can and cannot do.

3/25/2012 10:07:31 PM

Man, your arguments are starting to seem like they are based on the argument system of a 10 year-old.

Stop dodging this:

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"Can anyone here that sides with the police in the case, answer with a straight face, and tell me what do you REALLY think Mr. Zimmerman thought was 'suspicous' or 'criminal' about Trayvon?"

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 10:08:46 PM

Quote :

"Can anyone here that sides with the police in the case, answer with a straight face, and tell me what do you REALLY think Mr. Zimmerman thought was 'suspicous' or 'criminal' about Trayvon? "

Again, YOU might not think its suspicious, but to a lot of people, myself included, if I lived in a neighborhood that had been victim of a recent crime wave, and I am driving at night...in the rain...and see someone walking in the rain, in a hoodie...possible stopping and looking at houses, I am going to think thats suspicios.

Just because you don't think it's suspicious doesn't mean that it isn't, or isn't to someone else.

3/25/2012 10:10:39 PM

This

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"Also, one thing people need to realize. When a 911 dispatcher tells you "we don't NEED you to do that" like the one told Zimmerman when he said he was following Trayvon..... They are not a cop and basically have no authority to tell you what you can and cannot do."

Is not an argument.

It is a 100% fact.

3/25/2012 10:11:28 PM

Walking, in the rain is suspicious? In a hoodie? POSSIBLE stopping looking at houses?

Are you trolling again or do you really not see the bias nature of your statement?

All the criminals that I ever met NEVER walked right out on the street and look suspicions, or break through a front window.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 10:12:27 PM

Once again, you might not think it's suspicious.

Some people do.

I said "possibly" because thats what Zimmerman says he was doing, but if I said that, you would just say he was making it up during the 911 call.


Is it possible maybe that when Zimmerman said in the call

"He's got his hand in his waste band"

That Trayvon was trying to act like he himself had a gun to be gangster like all the rap stars he idiolozes and intimidate whoever was following him?

Not possible at all is it?

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"All the criminals that I ever met NEVER walked right out on the street and look suspicions, or break through a front window. "

And all the murderers I ever met NEVER called the cops right before they planned on chasing down and killing an unarmed kid for being black.

See how it can go both ways?

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ,]

3/25/2012 10:13:37 PM

Mr. Zimmerman's judgement is HIGHLY suspect here, and you REALLY trust his words?

So, now a person that appears to like rap music can't have his hands in places where they can't be seen since they may be toting a gun?

AHAHAHA

Man, quit while you are ahead, you cray cray.




You are absolutely retarded if you don't see how Mr. Zimmerman was biased against this kid right on sight.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 10:15:26 PM

http://www.easternecho.com/index.php/article/2012/03/hey_zimmerman_you_arent_batman

This guy tries giving him the benefit of the doubt.

3/25/2012 10:16:56 PM

Yeah you're right.

During the 911 call when he says "I have no clue where he is at this point"

Zimmerman was probably already on top of Trayvon with the gun to his head and was just saying this to throw the cops off later.

3/25/2012 10:17:34 PM

I just want to make sure this is not deleted and goes unnoticed:

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"Is it possible maybe that when Zimmerman said in the call "He's got his hand in his waste band" That Trayvon was trying to act like he himself had a gun to be gangster like all the rap stars he idiolozes and intimidate whoever was following him? Not possible at all is it? "

A quote from tacolu

This is all the reason NOT to pursue him and let the cops handle it, if this were true.


[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:27 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 10:24:57 PM

Whether or not Zimmerman was motivated by race really isn't the issue here. I mean, I suspect he was motivated by race, but that's just another sad part of the tragedy. I also feel bad for him. He was clearly drunk on his 911 call. And the number of calls he made to 911 previously suggest that he was not a stable man...I suspect his neighborhood watch consisted of sitting in his car and drinking beer while he wasted his life just watching people. And you know he's got to feel like total crap for killing a kid.

The outrage comes in with the police and the way they chose to handle the investigation.



^I agree, but Zimmerman would pursue it if he was eager to get in a gun fight with somebody, and it looks like he was.




[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2012 10:27:33 PM

Quote :

"Yeah you're right. During the 911 call when he says "I have no clue where he is at this point" Zimmerman was probably already on top of Trayvon with the gun to his head and was just saying this to throw the cops off later."

Do you just keep conveniently forgetting about the girlfriend's phone call or something?

3/25/2012 10:36:22 PM

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"This is all the reason NOT to pursue him and let the cops handle it, if this were true."

Actually, according to the stand your ground law, this is even more reason to follow after him.

^Clearly drunk? What the hell are you talking about?

And most of his calls to the police department were regarding missing animals, vandalism, and such.

Also, about how many calls are made to 911 during a year by the average captain of a neighborhood watch in a sizeable neighborhood?

You cant sit here and act like 40 is a lot without some reference point.

If the average is like 30, then thats not that odd.

If its 5, then we have a case.

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"Do you just keep conveniently forgetting about the girlfriend's phone call or something?"

You mean the phone call that was not recorded and therefore nothing of what she said can be proven?

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ;]

3/25/2012 10:38:00 PM

Dude just told me they're doing nightly candle light vigils downtown at eight until Zimmerman's arrested.I thought a few of you might be interested

3/25/2012 10:38:47 PM

If what she says can used to create a reasonable timeline her testimony is good as gold. You never seen a court case on TV or something?

3/25/2012 10:46:45 PM

Million man march through zimmermans subdivision wearing hoodies?

3/25/2012 10:47:10 PM

Tacolu, how do you even know he listens to rap music?

Is it because you're assuming?

Because he's a Black kid?

Because all Black kids listen to rap music and walk with an intimidating swagger?

Right?

3/25/2012 10:48:29 PM

Find me a teenager who plays football that doesn't listen to rap music

3/25/2012 10:54:17 PM

So let me get this straight , the only way to travel through Mr. Zimmerman's neighborhood is RIDING in a vehicle, preferably whens it's sunny, and look like you SHOULD live there?

That's PLENTY of bias right there. Not to mention, if you even remotely look like a high schooler, that perhaps plays football, you MUST listen to rap music and this will give Mr. Zimmerman an idea of what you will have in your hands in case if he cannot see them.

So much judgement going on here is pathetic that you would point out EXACTLY why Mr. Zimmerman is a biased individual when you have been defended his actions all this time.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 11:01 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 10:58:58 PM

lol you're totally missing the point.

Also, this pic



And this FB post....




Shows he is older than the "kid" pics that have been given to the media.

Also, doesn't paint the picture of him being a "little angel".

If that FB post is real.

3/25/2012 11:10:42 PM

All that is HINDSIGHT, he was JUDGED AND APPROACHED ON SIGHT by Mr. Zimmerman.

3/25/2012 11:14:40 PM

^^^^ It's possible that he doesn't.

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ,]

3/25/2012 11:15:25 PM

^^Maybe Trayvon had just made a drug deal and was actually up to no good and being suspicious.

Hmmmm

If Zimmerman's past can play into this, so can Trayvon's.


See how it can go both ways?

3/25/2012 11:17:39 PM

NOTHING SUGGEST ANY DRUGS INVOLVED HAHAHA

YOU ARE MAKING THIS UP AS YOU GO ALONG SOUNDING REALLY JUVENILE WHILE YOU ARE AT IT.

NOT TO MENTION YOU ARE CLEARLY JUDGING TRAYVON JUST LIKE MR. ZIMMERMAN DID.

ALL HE HAD ON HIM WAS SKITTLES AND TEA, HOW DID YOU FORGET THE MOST PUBLICIZED FACT IN THIS CASE?

Got to make sure that this doesn't get deleted either:

Quote :

"^^Maybe Trayvon had just made a drug deal and was actually up to no good and being suspicious. Hmmmm If Zimmerman's past can play into this, so can Trayvon's. See how it can go both ways?"

Quote by tacolu

[Edited on March 25, 2012 at 11:21 PM. Reason : /]

3/25/2012 11:20:12 PM