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"DEI trainings where white people are told to be ashamed of themselves are, shockingly, not going to play well to white people"

I don't think there are many sanctioned DEI trainings that outright tell white people to be ashamed. However, white people shouldn't need to be told to be ashamed -- they should reach that obvious conclusion based on the facts of history. I don't hate myself, but objectively I have benefited from centuries of inequality, and I'm sorry to say that one side of my family owned slaves in the distant past. The outcome of this systemic inequality is part of what gives me so little sympathy for stupid and hateful white trash rednecks and all their problems that they think are caused by everyone but themselves. What a cancer on society. The politics of grievance.

10/20/2024 7:58:32 PM

The Dem turnout in NC looks pretty underwhelming so far compared to 2020…not looking too good for Harris here

10/20/2024 9:18:33 PM

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" Any suggestion that the founding fathers merely wanted to separate from England to preserve slavery is nonsense, and it's precisely why there was such hostility to Hannah-Jones being on the faculty at UNC: journalists who just make shit up for an agenda have no business teaching at a university."

I’m sure it’s that and not the complete GOP takeover of the UNC system

10/20/2024 11:25:10 PM

I think burros characterization of both dei and the 1619 project is case and point of how effective rightwing media is

Irony is the theories underlying the 1619 project tend to point to showing how interconnected and common modern people are… rightwing just hates acknowledging the damage of American Apartheid

But trump again is gaining in the polls today. Despite increasingly weird speeches and stunts

10/20/2024 11:32:00 PM

Man those transgender related republican ads are on all the time, starting to think it will convince enough people to vote for trump

10/21/2024 12:03:51 AM

Just starting to? I wish I had your wild-eyed optimism.

10/21/2024 3:26:18 AM

Is it true that Kamala supports taxpayer funded abortions for transgender aliens?

10/21/2024 8:29:46 AM

I am predicting 302 EV for Trump and 236 for Harris as awful as that will be. She is cratering lately and once again the Dems are making the critical mistake of running away from populism just as they did in 2016. They are spending more time trying to bring in moderate Republicans and simply following the will of the donor class more than anything. Michigan is already gone for her because of the Gaza issue. The Arab/Muslim vote will be the biggest bloc for Stein and that percentage is probably enough to swing it. Kamala is effectively a neocon which certainly is a huge turnoff for progressives and the left (the actual left that is).

10/21/2024 9:21:27 AM

Since everybody seems to be on the doom train, I'd like to refer you to these posts from the 2022 Midterms thread from October 2022:

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"this is gonna be so bad"

-marko

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"Fetterman has cratered and Walker has a shot. This really could be a bloodbath for the Dems"

eyewall41 (who apparently really likes to use "crater" as a verb)

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"My gut tells me it's going to be a rough, rough next two years"

UJustWait84

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The "bloodbath" turned out to be a surprisingly strong performance for Democrats that left them in control of the Senate and so close in the House that the Republicans had to rely on them to pass almost anything.

I'm not saying things are great and I'm not saying you should be all smiles and optimism, but I am saying maybe people should stop talking like it's lost and pointing fingers at which faction/policies caused it.



[Edited on October 21, 2024 at 9:25 AM. Reason : Remind me, is Fetterman a senator?]

10/21/2024 9:24:25 AM

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""DEI trainings where white people are told to be ashamed of themselves are, shockingly, not going to play well to white people""

This, like many of the other talking points that were listed, seems to be a very gross generalization. I've had to take a lot of these, and I've never once got the impression that they're telling me that I should "be ashamed of myself" for being white. Sure, it angers some people to hear anything DEI-related, but that's often because they perceive themselves as a perpetual victims and take offense to anything they perceive as criticism of thesmelves.

[Edited on October 21, 2024 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ]

10/21/2024 9:44:03 AM

To me, they sound like losers to me.

10/21/2024 10:43:24 AM

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"I think burros characterization of both dei and the 1619 project is case and point of how effective rightwing media is"

You're totally right. There's weren't historians at major universities pointing out severe flaws in it from the get-go. It was just evil right-wing media slamming the truth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project#Historical_accuracy

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"In an essay for The New York Review of Books, historian Sean Wilentz accused the project of cynicism for its portrayal of the American Revolution, the Civil War and Abraham Lincoln, who Wilentz wrote is "rendered as a white supremacist".[4] In a December 2019 letter published in The New York Times, Wilentz, along with fellow historians Gordon S. Wood, James M. McPherson, Victoria Bynum, and James Oakes expressed "strong reservations" about the project and requested factual corrections, accusing the authors of a "displacement of historical understanding by ideology". The letter disputed the claim, made in Hannah-Jones' introductory essay, that "one of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery". The Times published the letter along with a rebuttal from the magazine's editor-in-chief, Jake Silverstein,[10][46] who defended the accuracy of the 1619 Project and declined to issue corrections. Wood responded in a letter, "I don't know of any colonist who said that they wanted independence in order to preserve their slaves ... No colonist expressed alarm that the mother country was out to abolish slavery in 1776."[47][48] In an article in The Atlantic, Wilentz responded to Silverstein, writing, "No effort to educate the public in order to advance social justice can afford to dispense with a respect for basic facts", and disputing the accuracy of Silverstein's defense of the project.[1] Also in December 2019, twelve scholars and political scientists specializing in the American Civil War sent a letter to the Times saying that "The 1619 Project offers a historically-limited view of slavery." While agreeing to the importance of examining American slavery, they objected to what they described as the portrayal of slavery as a uniquely American phenomenon, to construing slavery as a capitalist venture, and to presenting out-of-context quotes of a conversation between Abraham Lincoln and "five esteemed free black men". The following month, Silverstein issued a response stating that no corrections were necessary.[2] In January 2020, historian Susan Parker, who specializes in the studies of Colonial United States at Flagler College, noted that slavery existed before any of the Thirteen Colonies. She wrote in an editorial in The St. Augustine Record that "The settlement known as San Miguel de Gualdape lasted for about six weeks from late September 1526 to the middle of November. Historian Paul Hoffman writes that the slaves at San Miguel rebelled and set fire to some homes of the Spaniards."[49] Writing in USA Today, several historians—among them Parker, archaeologist Kathleen A. Deagan also of Flagler, and civil rights activist and historian David Nolan—all agreed that slavery was present decades before the year 1619. According to Deagan, people have "spent their careers trying to correct the erroneous belief" in such a narrative, with Nolan claiming that in ignoring the earlier settlement, the authors were "robbing black history".[50] In March 2020, historian Leslie M. Harris, who had been consulted for the project, wrote in Politico that she had warned that the idea that the American Revolution was fought to protect slavery was inaccurate, and that the Times made avoidable mistakes, but that the project was "a much-needed corrective to the blindly celebratory histories".[51] Hannah-Jones has also said that she stands by the claim that slavery helped fuel the revolution, though she concedes she might have phrased it too strongly in her essay, in a way that could give readers the impression that the support for slavery was universal.[46][51] On March 11, 2020, Silverstein authored an "update" in the form of a "clarification" on the Times' website, correcting Hannah-Jones's essay to state that "protecting slavery was a primary motivation for some of the colonists".[52] This "clarification" was reportedly prompted by a private warning to Silverstein by Harvard classicist and political scientist Danielle Allen that she might go public with criticism if the passage on the revolution were not corrected.[17] In December 2023, historian James Oakes wrote a detailed essay published in Jacobin that criticized the historical accuracy of the project in multiple areas, stating that it "has botched the history of the slave economy, misconstrued the origins of Northern economic development, erased the history of antislavery, and rendered emancipation irrelevant".[53] "

And they only quietly deleted some of the most problematic sections without issuing public retractions. But it was all perfect, just like that phone call with Zelenskyy. Just beautiful and perfect. You guys are proving my point.

10/21/2024 11:01:18 AM

Double post, because I can. To be clear, not all DEI trainings are as abhorrent as what I've described. Most aren't, in fact. But there have been some that have been exactly that bad, to the point that they have spawned hostile workplace environment lawsuits, and the details from the trainings are quite shocking. Some of the workshops have explicitly told white workers to be ashamed. Some have told them they should decline promotions in favour of black colleagues. I would expect that these are outliers, to be sure, but their mere existence and even acceptance at some institutions (I believe it was a university involved in more than one of them) shows the batshit insanity of some on the progressive left.

10/21/2024 11:16:21 AM

I don’t know how someone could type out a paragraph like that and not realize how whiny it is

white grievance is just so fucking lame

10/21/2024 1:38:31 PM

While I may be setting myself up for another devastating disappointment like in 2016, I don't currently share the doom and gloom view for this year's election.

I think that a realistic floor for Kamala Harris would be 276 electoral votes to Donald Trump's 262 electoral votes. I think that a realistic ceiling for Kamala Harris would be 308 electoral votes to Donald Trump's 230 electoral votes.

Polls consistently seem to be over sampling Republican voters and applying insufficient weight to the Dobbs decision. Economic fundamentals are sound going into this election, and Kamala Harris has significantly higher favorability than Hillary Clinton had in 2016.

If Donald Trump is really winning a large portion of young voters, then, yeah, he's likely going to win the election; however, I would have to see it to believe it.

My biggest question is whether the election is called on election night, the following day or later in the week.

[Edited on October 21, 2024 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2024 1:42:08 PM

^ Unless it's an absolute landslide either way, there's no way the election is called on election night. Too many delays built in to PA and WI to be able to call either of those states, unfortunately.

10/21/2024 2:37:31 PM

^^^
Isolated rhetoric telling whites to be ashamed needs the entire federal state and local governments to jump to action.

But responding to continuing widespread evidence that there’s a double standard against Black people in government, education, employment, and healthcare processes means we need to tread carefully so that a single white person doesn’t feel self conscious about race.

10/21/2024 10:58:48 PM

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"Kamala is effectively a neocon"

Lol wtf. I hate the argument dems go after repubs too much. It should be a landslide this year, and dems still don't seem attractive to an overwhelming majority of independents like they should. We need to fix that.

10/21/2024 11:07:12 PM