while we're at it let's shit on amato

i think i remember making this about a year and half ago...

2/18/2008 4:05:27 PM

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"Texas Tech was 12-10, 3-3 conference when Bobby Knight called it quits Clearly Bobby Knight is a shitty coach, and the lack of talent on his team (or Sid's team) has nothing to do with it"

Hey...I can play this game...

"Matt Doherty was 26-7 and 13-3 in the ACC in his first year at UNC. He is an AWESOME coach!!!"

Quit using analogies, you are making yourself look worse.

2/18/2008 4:05:47 PM

WE DONT HAVE A POINT GUARD

WHAT COULD ANY COACH DO WITH THIS TEAM

2/18/2008 4:06:30 PM

RECRUIT 5 CENTERS AND PASS THE BALL REALLY HIGH IN THE AIR TO BEAT THE PRESS AND END UP WITH A DUNK EACH POSSESSION???

2/18/2008 4:07:27 PM

be proactive, not reactive?

2/18/2008 4:07:41 PM

head on apply directly to the forehead?

2/18/2008 4:08:17 PM

you cant exactly sign a free agent point guard midseason in college basketball

he has Mays coming in next year...his best PG this year is out for the season with injury

when Raymond Felton and Ty Lawson go out, UNC loses to Santa Clara and at the Dean Dome to Duke by 12 points...but motherfucking Javi Gonzalez and Marques Johnson are supposed to lead us to a good season??

yalls problem seems to be that you're placing 100% of your blame for this season on Sidney's coaching...which is completely moronic

[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2008 4:08:29 PM

the good ole days

2/18/2008 4:09:37 PM

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"RECRUIT 5 CENTERS AND PASS THE BALL REALLY HIGH IN THE AIR TO BEAT THE PRESS AND END UP WITH A DUNK EACH POSSESSION???"

I actually love this idea!

2/18/2008 4:09:38 PM

It's sad when UNC's 3rd sting point guard is better than our starter. HAHA. How did Sidney whiff so bad on all 3 pg's this year? It's not like Degand was good before he got hurt. MJ is horrible and needs to transfer to Presbyterian. Why we wasted a scholarship on him I will never know. Javi is a good second stringer as is Degand. We need a Teague, Ish , Lawson, Singletary, Rice, Frasor, Paulus, Smith, or Vasquez caliber point guard. It is Lowe's fault for not getting one of those type pg's for this or next year.

2/18/2008 4:11:15 PM

at this point in the season i say we recruit some hot ass strippers as cheerleaders and place them below the basket of the opposing team. every time they other teams is about to shoot a shot, all 27 of them flash their shooting player at once

2/18/2008 4:11:56 PM

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"It is Lowe's fault for not getting one of those type pg's for this or next year."

already giving up on Julius Mays for next year? course don't give Lowe credit for recruiting the best freshman this school has seen in years (Hickson)...just go ahead and start your pessimistic outlook of next season nice and early

[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2008 4:13:30 PM

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"yalls problem seems to be that you're placing 100% of your blame for this season on Sidney's coaching...which is completely moronic"

Actually, I don't think many people are doing that. We're just saying his team this year is underperforming given their talent level and there have been some questionable decisions made given the facts that I have seen/researched.

I hate to go back to the Javi versus Warren thing but one of the fundamental jobs of a college coach in the recruiting trail is to differentiate talent. Chris Warren was in our reach and we chose Javi instead by all accounts. Javi might still be good... that remains to be seen... but Chris Warren is arguably All-SEC already as a true freshman.

All I want to see is improvement. We improved over the course of last year. However, this year we seem to be the SAME team we started as from the first game... maybe even worse in some instances.

It's all well and good to be calling Costner a piece of shit and Fells a headcase and McCauley a stiff but the fact is they are talented players (based on all 3 being Top 100 recruits and two Top 50 as well as their performances late last year) that are just not getting it done right now...

V he was a solid verbal long before that and still listed State at the top after Herb's departure... In fact, we had guys on here with so-called "inside sources" that had Wright signing a LOI on signing day before he went to JTIII. Personally, I don't think Lowe had a chance once Herb left at keeping Wright... so I don't hold that against him.

[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM. Reason : x]

2/18/2008 4:14:10 PM

Chris Wright visited State officially 3 (three) months AFTER Lowe picked up Degand.

2/18/2008 4:14:27 PM

you can't hold it against lowe that he wasn't able to convince someone to recommit to an entirely different style of play. chris wright wanted to play the princeton offense, so he went and did that at gtown, that's fine.

javi (while i support the kid) was clearly an 'oh shit we need a pg this year' signee. that's fine.

what will not be fine is if julius mays and cj williams are not decent. it seems like he signed those guys way too early and was just trying to get bodies for future rosters, we'll see.

2/18/2008 4:19:35 PM

I am sure Wright did not have enough time (over 5 months) to realize he wasn't going to fit in BEFORE he made his official visit.

2/18/2008 4:23:46 PM

It's interesting that Scout lists Mays as a 2 but Rivals has him as a 1. From what I can gather is that he is a scoring point... I read somewhere he is a Bassett type player. I like Bassett at IU so hopefully that is a good comparison.

2/18/2008 4:28:53 PM

I would kill somebody to have Cliff Crawford on this team

2/18/2008 4:29:47 PM

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"Actually, I don't think many people are doing that. We're just saying his team this year is underperforming given their talent level and there have been some questionable decisions made given the facts that I have seen/researched."

Is this a new thing?

2/18/2008 4:47:22 PM

^you mean, the human turnover machine? How easily we forget. Until this year, I was convinced Gavin grant was cliff crawford in a new body.

2/18/2008 4:48:01 PM

Cliff Crawford was athletic enough to get the ball up court, and I think we have much bigger problems/needs than Gavin

Tell me Cliff wasn't our best point guard over the last 10 years (strictly based on getting the ball up court)...sure Atsur was a smarter player (except when he was taking stupid buzzer beater shots) and Archie was a better shooter, etc...but we haven't really had a good PG since Corchiani

I don't know why we don't get Fells to bring the ball up every possession, except of course because Sid wants his PGs to get experience

2/18/2008 4:49:53 PM

^ Justin Gainey was much better than Archie and equal to Crawford. Grundy played the point for us sometimes, but I guess he does not count in this discussion.

I never thought Crawford was worth a damn. I think Engin was our best PG in the past decade.

2/18/2008 5:28:48 PM

I'd say Engin was better than Crawford

but my argument was that Crawford was the best at getting it up court, and that includes Engin

Gainey was nice too...who did he hit the buzzer beater on?

2/18/2008 5:30:08 PM

hahahaha, that was the twerps. I remember it vividly because my dad was cursing at the tv and Gainey cause he missed a bunch of FT's or something.

2/18/2008 5:38:10 PM

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"Gainey was nice too...who did he hit the buzzer beater on?"

At Purdue in the Big 10 challenge and against Maryland. Gainey was solid. He would make our team the 3rd best in the ACC now.

2/18/2008 5:55:12 PM

Yeah Gainey was alright. He never seemed to turn the ball over much and even though he wasn't great at anything in particular (like speed, shooting, etc.) he could manage the game okay. Too bad he was here during the shit years of Kenny Inge and Damon Thorton and Corn Dog and the rest of those horrid teams that Herb initially had.



[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 6:07 PM. Reason : t]

2/18/2008 6:07:29 PM

That was my first ACC game ever and the first ACC game in the ESA, that Gainey hit that shot against Maryland. It was the game Thornton fed a face full of crotch to that Twerp...

2/18/2008 6:21:11 PM

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"Sidney Lowe credibility watch"

In all honesty, he has only been here a season and a half... we have to give him time to get his players in. This year sucks, but i still have faith. This thread just pisses me off every time i see it because its the exact reason our fanbase is viewed as it is... oh well there is my 5 cents.

2/18/2008 8:43:41 PM

everyone seems to be under the impression that everyone around the nation thinks nc state has this horrid fanbase, and that's just not the case.

no one outside of the southeast is familiar enough w/ us to know what our fanbase is like either way, and even so we're not worse than any other big school that isn't doing great.

2/18/2008 9:12:07 PM

here is me praying that Lowe will learn, or knows how to develop college level talent and get a fundamental team on the court within 2 years

2/18/2008 10:09:49 PM

Ok I know a good amount about basketball in general, but not a huge strategy guy so someone explain this to me :

If you don't have a great point guard, why force one on the court and force your offense to run through him? I mean, there are good teams in this country without great point guards and they do fine. If the point guard isn't getting it done, and things aren't working right, it seems like there are other things that could be done. Grant can handle the ball alright and get it up court...

I guess what I am saying is that if a good coach has a weakness, you try to hide it and work around it.. why are we not doing that?

2/18/2008 10:30:49 PM

we've done that whole grant handling the ball. it didn't work.

you could argue that he's gotten better, i'm not sure how successful that would be.

2/18/2008 10:32:48 PM

^^ this is what herb did the whole time he was here when we ran the modified princeton. He kept us in it for a long time with his coaching that most of the retards on here didn't like.

2/18/2008 10:37:30 PM

The offense is as good as you can expect without a good PG and without last year's costner.

The big area where we could have reasonably made up the difference was defense. That didn't happen, so we lost a bunch of games we shouldn't have. And better defense would have created a few easy scoring opportunities (maybe 5ppg higher scoring average). With our size at all positions, we should have been rebounding better, too. Add another 5 ppg for better rebounding.


[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2008 10:45:16 PM

yeah, i can understand we have a lot of big guys and they're going to get beat by guards... but jesus grab a rebound.

2/18/2008 11:01:48 PM

i really don't understand why we have the rebounding problem we currently have. with herb's system it made sense since our players were all hovering around the 3pt line. but there's no reason we can't get rebounds in our current offensive style where we give the ball to jj on the low post 3 out of 4 possessions.

2/18/2008 11:03:04 PM

from the radio show

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"He said the players were recruited to be stationary perimeter three point shooters and few had the talent to chase on D. He also stated that he planned to bring in the type of talent to play uptempo but he didn't have it right now."

2/19/2008 12:57:17 AM

^that gives me hope for the future again

i mean our time is due one of these decades right

2/19/2008 1:38:13 AM

^^How does he not have the talent/players to run? Grant and Fells are great in the open court. Hickson/McCauley run well for big men. We have 10 players that could and should see the court so why not run? Tracy Smith isn't seeing the court and is better than some of the players we are playing.

2/19/2008 2:09:43 AM

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"He said the players were recruited to be stationary perimeter three point shooters and few had the talent to chase on D. He also stated that he planned to bring in the type of talent to play uptempo but he didn't have it right now."

I really really really don't like these comments.

1) I don't care what he meant by the comments...but he comes off as crapping on the current players. You don't do that.

2) It just reeks of "Here are my excuses...wait til I get my players in."

You make due with what you have. And like someone said above...Fells and Grant are athletic. Javi and Marques aren't exactly short, fat, and white. McCauley is fast enough to inbound the ball, run down the court in 5 seconds and throw a put-back jam down to win a game.

I don't like those comments at all.

2/19/2008 3:32:34 AM

maybe he's trying to light a fire under his team's currently underperforming defense

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 3:45 AM. Reason : i could certainly see far more direct ways of doing that though]

2/19/2008 3:39:04 AM

It's just excuses excuses. He brought in Degand, Ferguson, Bartoz, Johnson and Javi, most of whom aren't even ACC caliber and Degand being the only one who could play uptempo. With the exception of JJ, he's brought nobody that resembles any system he wants to run.

2/19/2008 7:10:50 AM

i honestly wonder if we'd look any different if johnny thomas was available.

i hope that kid can ball, and doesn't transfer

2/19/2008 7:16:33 AM

yeah, that seems like a little bit of a cop out.

2/19/2008 7:17:42 AM

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"he's brought nobody that resembles any system he wants to run"

god, my head hurts from shaking it so hard after reading this

you forgot Smith who is a big body that can play...there just is too many people in his position but he has shown a lot of promise

Ferguson enrolled at NCSU in the spring of 05 so yeah, sid did a great job recruiting this kid before he even got the job

you didnt even mention Thomas who tore his ACL and is out...another nice recruit

wow

2/19/2008 8:34:37 AM

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"If you don't have a great point guard, why force one on the court and force your offense to run through him? I mean, there are good teams in this country without great point guards and they do fine. If the point guard isn't getting it done, and things aren't working right, it seems like there are other things that could be done. Grant can handle the ball alright and get it up court... "

How did Grant do last year as Atsur's replacement?

We were horrible. Remember how bad we were without Atsur...and we went on a tear and could hang with anyone when he came back?

Let us get a freakin point guard and get him a little experience. Some of you sound like complete morons. If you don't have an experienced point guard, you lose the turnover battle, have very little assists, and can't effectively run an offense. I'm not saying 'Lowe is great..wait and see!', all I'm saying is that it's pretty evident what our problem is and it's going to take time. Those of you ridiculing Sidney's coaching ability for this are absolutely ridiculous.

Javi will be a solid player in a year or two and we won't have this problem....and hopefully Mays, Wall will either take over the position when they're ready or possibly prove to be extremely talented from day 1. All I know is that college basketball is driven by good guard play. If you don't agree with that, find a new sport. Oddly enough, the most important position is where we're horrible at.

[Edited on February 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM. Reason : ]

2/19/2008 8:50:38 AM

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"college basketball is driven by good guard play."

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"college basketball is driven by good guard play."

Can't be stated enough. Hell, I would argue that one of the biggest things that made herb as successful as he was was that he always had at least 5 solid to good guards on the roster.

2/19/2008 8:59:12 AM

People have short memories. Only a game ago, grant lost control of the ball when dribbling the ball in the open court. Fells almost did the same thing. Fells also loves to pass it to the other team on the break.

If you only have a 50% chance of holding on to the ball in the open court while running, you should not be handling the ball. Grant is money from the 3 point line in, but before he gets there you are playing russian roulette.

This is probably too absurd to even warrant this much discussion.

2/19/2008 9:25:44 AM

This page

2/19/2008 9:44:21 AM

doesn't fit

2/19/2008 9:44:52 AM