[bobbing head with an indian accent\ "i don't know what you are talking about, sir"

10/24/2005 1:46:40 PM

Dude


you're an Arab

10/24/2005 1:47:08 PM

I've pretty much used every form of mp3 player out there and I've got to say that the slick form factor of the Ipod and its ease of use trumps all other mp3 players at this time. In fact, I'd like to know what alternative devices to the IpodIncognegro would recommend.

To clarify, I use an mp3 player because I can hook it up to the Aux in I wired in my car as well as when I work out, go to work, study in the library etc. I use my device(Iriver) all the time.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2005 1:48:10 PM

I use my music player solely in my car.

It has no use once I am out and about.

10/24/2005 1:49:14 PM

Your level use is not in question.

10/24/2005 1:54:30 PM

There's only one way to settle this.

let's load the same music on all kinds of music players

and then see who can switch between artists/tracks/albums while driving in the shortest time possible.

10/24/2005 1:56:04 PM

or you can just let everyone use what they prefer

10/24/2005 1:59:08 PM

Well I've used a bunch of products and only the Ipod has been intuitive. I bought an Iriver for Napster, not because I liked the thing.

10/24/2005 2:03:05 PM

SandSanta- Personally, I just use my laptop for mp3s. My bookbag has a padded pouch for a laptop, and I have a power inverter in the car. I have a USB controller I'm using in the car presently for audio control, analog sticks set for volume and fast forward/rewind, buttons also assigned for random/repeat, forward/back, play, pause, stop. Battery life is a bit of a restriction in the bookbag, but only playing mp3s in standby mode it still gets 3 hours minimum. Although, honestly, I never left in standby mode for more than the few minutes between classes, and usually gave it some plug-in time in or between classes. As an added bonus, I can play 1080p content at full resolution on the 15.4 inch screen. Which is to say, within the parameters of my "lifestyle", the performance is vastly superior and the additional cost of repurposing the hardware boils down to the cost of the inverter and controller... both of which, incidentially, were free to me.

While I understand you had no interest in my (or any) solution and rather intended to corner me in the debate, I'd also like to point out that the previous pages are filled with the solutions of those who have not chosen to take advantage of synergies in their existing inventory.

10/24/2005 2:26:52 PM

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"As an added bonus, I can play 1080p content at full resolution on the 15.4 inch screen."

Do you find that that helps you pass the time as you walk to class, or are driving around?

10/24/2005 2:32:01 PM

No, but it's great in class

10/24/2005 2:32:26 PM

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"I'd also like to point out that the previous pages are filled with the solutions of those who have not chosen to take advantage of synergies in their existing inventory. "

not true. the previous pages are filled with fancier devices that are aimed at doing a variety of things. none of which interest me, nor am i allowed to use.

the only comperable device listed has been the iRiver, which some people have already pointed out that they do not necessarily like.

i didnt buy an iPod because its an iPod...i bought it because its the best for what i need.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 2:54 PM. Reason : f]

10/24/2005 2:53:54 PM

What I'm wondering is why you're allowed to use an iPod, when one of its only real features in my eyes is the semi-mature compatibility with Linux, therein allowing you to smuggle all of the "secure" data you want out on an encrypted partition, or even watermarked on your "mp3s"? I think there's something you're not telling us about your secure environment, to bolster your support of the iPod, personally.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:04 PM. Reason : and note that all of those "fancier" devices are also less than the eBay price of a comparable iPod]

10/24/2005 3:00:10 PM

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"What I'm wondering is why you're allowed to use an iPod, when one of its only real features in my eyes is the semi-mature compatibility with Linux, therein allowing you to smuggle all of the "secure" data you want out on an encrypted partition"

they have restrictions on the computers where we can't hook up anything external to it. its a pain in the ass...i cant even use a USB key without special permissions.

so theres no way for me to get the info on my iPod.

any other questions?

10/24/2005 3:08:16 PM

Um... yeah, why wouldn't you be able to use any other mp3 player?

Or, say some sort of streaming playback?

10/24/2005 3:09:19 PM

i never said i couldnt use any other mp3 player...i just said that all the ones that were recommended in this thread i would not be able to use.

i shopped around when i bought mine (about 1.5 years a go), and i prefered iPod to the other ones.

i dont know if it would be same way now, as im not familiar with a lot of the newer devices. im just merely pointing out that im very happy with it so far...which for some reason, pisses you off.

10/24/2005 3:12:20 PM

PS, you could always put the secure data, modulated, on line-out, and then demodulate it on the iPod Linux side and watermark your mp3s with it...

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:14 PM. Reason : oops double post]

10/24/2005 3:13:58 PM

and how to propose that i modulate the data?

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:17 PM. Reason : df]

10/24/2005 3:16:39 PM

VBScript

10/24/2005 3:19:43 PM

hahaha...IF IT WAS ONLY THAT EASY

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:24 PM. Reason : s]

10/24/2005 3:22:44 PM

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"SandSanta- Personally, I just use my laptop for mp3s. My bookbag has a padded pouch for a laptop, and I have a power inverter in the car. I have a USB controller I'm using in the car presently for audio control, analog sticks set for volume and fast forward/rewind, buttons also assigned for random/repeat, forward/back, play, pause, stop. Battery life is a bit of a restriction in the bookbag, but only playing mp3s in standby mode it still gets 3 hours minimum. Although, honestly, I never left in standby mode for more than the few minutes between classes, and usually gave it some plug-in time in or between classes. As an added bonus, I can play 1080p content at full resolution on the 15.4 inch screen. Which is to say, within the parameters of my "lifestyle", the performance is vastly superior and the additional cost of repurposing the hardware boils down to the cost of the inverter and controller... both of which, incidentially, were free to me."

I used to do that as well but I couldn't carry a laptop to the Gym and thats why I got an Iriver. I also like to go out and walk around during good weather and carrying a laptop during those excursions just for music is very impractical. Even in a car, a laptop is extreme over kill for playing only music. No matter how you have your system configured, you will never beat the ease of me just plugging my aux-in to my iriver and clicking "unpause." This, for those of you wondering, is why people buy portable mp3 players.

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" While I understand you had no interest in my (or any) solution and rather intended to corner me in the debate, I'd also like to point out that the previous pages are filled with the solutions of those who have not chosen to take advantage of synergies in their existing inventory. "

The previous page is filled with worthless bickering and geeky personal preferences that wouldn't be practical for anyone with an active lifestyle. I've used laptops, mp3 players, minidisc players, cd mp3 players and even mp3 phones and of all those products nothing has come close to the ease of use the ipod/itunes combo presents. This, coupled with very slick form factor, is why the ipod is the best selling consumer music device and every point you and others have made against the ipod smacks of wannabe counterculture.

10/24/2005 3:26:45 PM

I'll allow that 1.5 years ago the iPod looked a lot better.

SandSanta- I can come as close to that ease of use as it matters, and intend to: USB sound card, USB controller connected to a USB hub (my stereo mini-jack port is getting kind of worn and requires some jiggling action to get both channels), but also: 2 cable (power, hub) convenience. Script xmms start-up on the sound card being detected, and there you go.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:30 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 3:27:20 PM

OMG YOU CARE ABOUT LOOKS

10/24/2005 3:28:36 PM

I meant figuratively, ok.

I'm not even going to respond to that bit about counterculture, that reaks of wanting to share a point you don't have.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:39 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 3:31:23 PM

fag

10/24/2005 3:41:05 PM

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"because they almost never break unless you are an idiot and don't know how to use it?"

what the fuck is wrong with you people who call each other idiots over things like this? jesus christ, people like you make me glad i'm out of college. how god damn immature can you be?

mine, personally, has never broken. However, I'd venture to say half of the people whose ipods broke are responsible with electronics and usuallly make fun of me because i have really really bad luck with them. with ipods, it's the opposite. Mine's held up since 2003, but theirs have broken. the infamous battery issue (after the warranty was expired), fried hard drives, dead screens...

and what i mean by drag and drop tracks is that in WMP, you can click and drag (or group of tracks), or an album, a track onto an artist's name in your library, and all of those tracks will have their artist tag changed to that artist. same with dragging tracks to albums, etc. it's really useful

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2005 3:41:26 PM

Shit like mp3tag is where it's at. Matches unsorted mp3s with CDDB/FreeDB albums, then substitutes the CDDB/FreeDB track/name/artist/album/genre/blah parameters into a format string of your specification. Sorted a few thousand mp3s in about an hour last time I got bored enough to. Mindnumbing simplicity after that initial configuration.

and hey neat, there are FreeDB bindings for Perl now... you won't have to worry about iTunes binding for any language any time soon, though... well, you will have to worry actually, the creators will probably get sued into bankruptcy. Shit sure gets simple when you rule out flexibility and innovation as factors.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:55 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 3:50:00 PM

MusicBrainz is where it's actually at.

10/24/2005 3:53:34 PM

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"There's only one way to settle this. let's load the same music on all kinds of music players and then see who can switch between artists/tracks/albums while driving in the shortest time possible."

i'd win. But thats because i change tracks on my ipod through my head unit. And get to see what song or play list is playing via the headunit also.

10/24/2005 3:55:27 PM

I'm sorry, this thread is supposed to be moving away from gay ass marketing, and I think that application's name is guilty

Here's a hint I've been trying to make for a long time. Every feature you think is unique to the iPod is in fact a simple integration of existing technologies. You can achieve every feature (save for user-proofing and miniaturization) yourself, for cheaper, with off-the-shelf components. You don't even have to break out a soldering iron, most of the shit is USB. Including "one cable" convenience-- how about no-cable convenience for you only-in-the-car kids? Ever think about an XPC in the trunk? Or a true hard disk MP3 head-unit? There's a website out there where some dude built a hard disk mp3 computer in a head-unit form factor for about the price of some of those beefier iPods that are fully justified in their cost. No, really, every penny was worth it.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:01 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 3:56:15 PM

^^ so basically, you're saying that your head unit has better controls than your ipod.

gg


Also, I dunno about you, but I prefer to change tracks when I can look at both the road and the screen at the same time...meaning hold it close to the windshield.

10/24/2005 3:57:57 PM

I mean, I can see the portable crowd arguing it's the best solution, maybe, but when people start talking about using it in the car I am seriously trying to comprehend how you get your bills paid in a consumer society with that sort of gullibility.

10/24/2005 4:02:50 PM

lol...meaning i don't have to reach for the mp3 player, juggle it in my hand while 'holding it in front of me' and trying to steer at the same time. I can just (without looking) reach for the next track button on the deck with BOTH eyes still on the road. Can you do that? no cause you are too busy trying to figure out where the next button is.

and plus you're indian. no respect for u at all.

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"I mean, I can see the portable crowd arguing it's the best solution, maybe, but when people start talking about using it in the car I am seriously trying to comprehend how you get your bills paid in a consumer society with that sort of gullibility. "

are you a fucking retard? Thats one of the best uses of an mp3 player is using it with your car stereo. Who needs to fuck with CD's and shit when you can have all your songs on one unit playing through your car speakers.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:04 PM. Reason : fda]

10/24/2005 4:02:52 PM

Well, personally, I reach for the R1 button on the controller sitting in my lap...

10/24/2005 4:04:13 PM

My being Indian just implies that I have better potential to be your boss at GeekSquad than you have the potential for not blowing things up...you freako Arab.

10/24/2005 4:04:44 PM

yeah so when you take a sharp turn or slam on the brakes in an emergency it goes flying off your lap and breaks or worse.

haha boss at geeksquad. FYI we have no indians working at geeksquad or in the comp department. the only indians we have working in that store were rep 1's (or cashiers as they are more commonly reffered to.)

the only chance you have at ever being my boss is if i worked at a tech support line in india

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:07 PM. Reason : fda]

10/24/2005 4:05:40 PM

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"I can see the portable crowd arguing it's the best solution, maybe, but when people start talking about using it in the car I am seriously trying to comprehend how you get your bills paid in a consumer society with that sort of gullibility. "

well, part of the portability factor is being able to use the same device where ever you go. the same device i use at work, i can use at the gym, i can use at home, i can use in the car. thats why a portable mp3 player is perfect for me.

...and i dont think you need to be talking about "bills paid" when you still have your parents paying for things.

10/24/2005 4:05:46 PM

are you illiterate?

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"Ever think about an XPC in the trunk? Or a true hard disk MP3 head-unit? There's a website out there where some dude built a hard disk mp3 computer in a head-unit form factor... SEVERAL YEARS AGO... for about the price of some of those beefier iPods that are fully justified in their cost. No, really, every penny was worth it."

^^It's kind of hard for it to fly off too far when it only has enough slack in the cable to be removed from my lap and set aside. Yeah, it used to do that, before I rubbed two neurons together and thought of a solution instead of shitting out 400$ on a cure-for-stupidity.

^My parents don't pay for shit. That's why I deliver pizza, instead of dicking around looking for a tech job in a saturated job market. It was available. Do you people make enough assumptions?

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:09 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 4:08:38 PM

hey moron. can you take your 'head unit' with you? no. STFU GTFO.

and if its got enough slack for your lap its got enough slack to fall off your lap.

and plain and simple. some people don't deliver pizzas so they can afford $400 toys.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:10 PM. Reason : fda]

10/24/2005 4:09:52 PM

I can take my head unit with me

It even gives me a bj

10/24/2005 4:11:26 PM

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"That's why I deliver pizza, instead of dicking around looking for a tech job in a saturated job market. "

haha, so let me get this straight.

you "chose" to deliver pizzas rather then even looking for tech job. ssuuuurrrereee.

i had no problem finding a good tech job at school 3 years ago when the market was much worse then it is now.

if you are half at good at computers as you claim to be, then you would have no problems finding a good job. i think the truth is that youre just full of shit.

10/24/2005 4:14:27 PM

thats what i love about tech talk, a bunch of nobodies fighting over nothing thinking that their opinion counts and that they will amount to something in the real world...

10/24/2005 4:14:54 PM

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"SandSanta- Personally, I just use my laptop for mp3s. My bookbag has a padded pouch for a laptop, and I have a power inverter in the car. I have a USB controller I'm using in the car presently for audio control, analog sticks set for volume and fast forward/rewind, buttons also assigned for random/repeat, forward/back, play, pause, stop. Battery life is a bit of a restriction in the bookbag, but only playing mp3s in standby mode it still gets 3 hours minimum. Although, honestly, I never left in standby mode for more than the few minutes between classes, and usually gave it some plug-in time in or between classes. As an added bonus, I can play 1080p content at full resolution on the 15.4 inch screen. Which is to say, within the parameters of my "lifestyle", the performance is vastly superior and the additional cost of repurposing the hardware boils down to the cost of the inverter and controller... both of which, incidentially, were free to me."

When you start watching movies in between sets at the gym, I'll read what follows this post. I can't believe I read this far. Bunch of nerds arguing over some pointless bullshit.

10/24/2005 4:15:13 PM

Golov- You realize that pretty much everyone in this thread has a grudge with everyone else, and YOU are the only genius who has had to resort to calling people "moron" and "idiot" as their primary mode of argument? The features you seek are available in countless combinations of devices. The fact is that in your position as a consumer, you do not have the familiarity necessary to recognize the combinations of hardware that could meet your needs, much less estimate a cost of implementation. Much less, apparently, understand when it is explicitly and without uncertainty detailed that you overpaid for your desired feature-set. Until such time as you are not wholly ignorant of the technologies operating to animate your chosen "lifestyle," you might want to take the towel off of your head and bite down on it a bit.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 4:19:01 PM

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"i'd win. But thats because i change tracks on my ipod through my head unit. And get to see what song or play list is playing via the headunit also. "

VoiceLibReg has a pockettunes plugin for voice recog.

no training required for "Next Track" "Next Playlist" "last track" "repeat on" "shuffle"

all kinds of shit.

If you have time, you can train it to recognize individual songs.

10/24/2005 4:20:17 PM

Anyone see a problem with voice recognition for audio playback control? Anyone at all?

10/24/2005 4:21:26 PM

hey 'moron' its funny how i'm the only one using such words. REAL funny. I almost loled.

10/24/2005 4:21:45 PM

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"YOU are the only genius who has had to resort to calling people "moron" and "idiot" as their primary mode of argument"

hmmmmm...well lets see if you have resorted to name calling as your primary mode of argument.

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"iPods are for faggots "

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"maybe you Apple faggots would have half a fuck's chance of getting some decent hardware out of your love-corp if you didn't buy any bit of decomposing feces they shat out and branded"

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"fag"

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"iTunes is for fags too"

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"cue some fat fuck to be like, "I never paid for iTunes!"

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" you use it implies to me homosexuality, computer/technological illiteracy and laziness. "

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"yours would be delivered last because jews don't tip"

....and i dont feel like reading through any more.

once again, youre full of shit my friend.

10/24/2005 4:24:21 PM

I wasn't debating at that point, I was trolling. Please distinguish.

Except that bit about you being computer illiterate. Anyone that thinks iTunes simplifies home networking probably struggles daily with their start menu.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 4:28 PM. Reason : *]

10/24/2005 4:27:34 PM

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"youre full of shit my friend. "

10/24/2005 4:28:43 PM